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Kain_Gibson

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Running people round the world!

Hi all,

In my many travels from the day i started in GW til now,

I have seen the many many offers of being "Run" from on location to the other. My first impression of such deeds were offensive.
1. because i believe in the helping of others without financial compensation.

2. I felt it was wrong to pay monet to be skipped to another area. You paid XX amount of dollars for a game you oughta play it proper.

then after i made my second charachter and learned of the Droknar Run, i saw how paying for a run there could be beneficial. Imagine all the money i could save if i just bought the armor i really wanted instead of paying small fortunes every couple of towns for only slightly better armor??

So i paid for my first run from Beacons Perch to Droknars Forge. naturally i died instantly while the runner made her run. i watched as she ran through mobs of lvl 24 monsters, narrowly escaping, every inch of the route carefully planned every spell chosen for a determined purpose

this was a skill she had perfected and as promised i was delivered to Droknars. i paid her gladly the asked sum plus 500 gold as a tip. bought my armor and replayed many of the mission from my first character with greater ease and far less frustration.

i know what you all are thinking...."Jeez Kain does any of this have a point??"

the point of this thread is..

How do you feel about Running?

Are you for it? Against it? indifferent?

and if so why?

I dont want to hear that running is wrong cause low levels use the High Level armor in the low level arenas. We all know thats unfair. what i want to see here is an open forum of people who have for different reasons different opinions on the idea of running.

No Mud-slinging please..;)

Kain

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09/16/05 23:36

Elbrayn

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Re: Running people round the world!

The way i see it is people paid XXX amount for the game that gives them the right too play it how they want. (as long as it dont effect other peoples game play such as cheating). If they want to run and miss half the game who am i to say they shouldn't do it? they paid for the game its there choice.

Just my thoughts :)

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09/16/05 23:43

Asroth

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Re: Running people round the world!

The way i see is if people wanna do it then fine let them do it. Running creates small fortunes for the runners and and the customers get what they want decent armour and weapons but at what cost to them selfs.

You still hav 2 pay a large about 2 get the armour an weapons way more than you would for an earlier set.

Theres a down side to running as yur missin out on some gd XP while you save up for the money for the new set.

Guess wat i'm trying 2 say is that it kinda balances out in the end even if they hav an unfair advantage in the earlier stages they will get a disadvantage in the later stages.

09/17/05 00:50

Lord_VoxBlackRiver

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Re: Running people round the world!

On this one I feel like comenting lol.

I, for myself, dont like running. I have played many online RPGs and never I have seen that phenomenon to such a high level. After my two first characters made it through the game fair and square on their own steam I sometimes felt like skipping areas that I find tedious to reach farming spot of my liking. The point bugging me in that is because it turns to be a profession and an influence on economy. This game makes it hard on purpose to earn your cash and you all know the reasons for that. Now would I get pissed at someone who offers to run? No, I would not. But in most community (like in D2) there are always ppls who used to offer to rush you through for free.

So my point is simple: Those things make GW a pot for greed. What about playing cummunity populated of helpfull ppls always ready to put their knowledge in action to help fellow gamers? I wont say GW is full of money leeches only but if you accept that everyone who can help makes you pay what will remain of that game?

WEll I just hope the situation doesn't degenerate to a point where asking for directions cost you something everytime. but on the other hand... let's face it: GW is a very short game when it comes to PvE compared to all other MMORPS and for ppls who have played solo to get the most out of it 2-3 times you need to find some replay value and runners do help in that department (at least until new chapters hit the shelves).

No montly fees is cool unless you have to pay them in platinum and gold, in game. :)

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09/17/05 09:43

mooseyfate

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Re: Running people round the world!

I like running being an option. Don't thing I'll ever be ran, but I may one day run people (beaten the game with my 3 PvE's... did run myself with my last PvE, but that's different). Personally, I think it's an awesome option to pay for for any characters besides your first. This game is too time consuming even with this option (but better about it than other online RPG's).

The problems with it I see are these:

1) arenas: easy solution is limit the armor type allowed to enter low lv arena. May need to limit weapons and chosen skills too. But really, this early PvP arena is just to get the players tounge wet till they finish the game, so I wouldn't say it's worth the hastle. What would be worth it is to have a pre-searing PvP arena. No run abbuse possible there. Plus the pre-searing world is just fun. Insanely easy, but just something about the atmosphere that I always have the urge to go back to for just a little.

2) scammers: yeah it's unfair, but if you want to pay for a run, it's common sence that this is a risk you take.

3) ascention skipping: At first I loved the Droknars Forge run path, but after nighmares of trying to get a good team for Thunderhead Keep, I've changed my mind. I think the idea of after you ascend you can only team up with people skilled enough to beat their double is a great idea. But with running and ebay, that isn't the case. I really like the idea of there being a skill test(s) that you know everyone has proven themselves with in order for them to be at endgame content. Maybe make a requirement for ascension to be beaten before doing post-ascension missions/arenas.

#1-2 are mearly points, #3 is the only one that bothers me. Still, it's surprising how many people pass the Thunderhead test and suck in the last three missions.

09/17/05 09:49

Balthamos

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Re: Running people round the world!

I think NOBODY should ever pay for a run with their first character. You miss alot of the fun, however i am not against runners. As for community and helping people, i learned the forge run, and sometimes take people for free. Sometimes i charge, sometimes i let others pay what they think it is worth. Sometimes i run tandum with my friend, which is LOADS of fun, we do it for free, always, and get satisfaction out of knowing that somewhere, we have foiled a scammer.

Sorry, this seemed a little rambly. I hope you make sense of what i say.

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09/18/05 11:39

KeiMiyaichi

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Re: Running people round the world!

The only thing i Dislike about running is not the Runner, but the person that got run... sure you can get your character the most advance armor n weaponry straight up...

but then going out capping a few elites and taking them back to ascalon and yak's arena's

thats just a stupid cheap way to make faction...

especially now that pvpx faction is permanent

09/18/05 12:15

Fingschlice

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Re: Running people round the world!

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3) ascention skipping: At first I loved the Droknars Forge run path, but after nighmares of trying to get a good team for Thunderhead Keep, I've changed my mind. I think the idea of after you ascend you can only team up with people skilled enough to beat their double is a great idea. But with running and ebay, that isn't the case. I really like the idea of there being a skill test(s) that you know everyone has proven themselves with in order for them to be at endgame content. Maybe make a requirement for ascension to be beaten before doing post-ascension missions/arenas.

I think people have started balancing this out..although it is stupid to skip the plot and miss out on playing a big chunk of the game, people generally refuse to take low level people. The limit on ToA ascension also limits people from getting into serious gamer's way. Its not perfect, but people seem to be figuring it out.

I really like the idea of an arena in presearing; i think it would be lots of fun, and would establish good habits early on... its frustrating to find people PvPing in the Lion's arch arena who have no clue.

With regards to running, i think that if people want to strip their own experience and waste money on things, let them. I personally will never pay a thing for someone to bring me to another city, and i couldn't justify skipping missions on my first char.

I have done lots of solo/free group runs around the map. I only do them to non-plot/-game-advancing cities for things like skills or little quests.

I think people need to crack down on people who run ahead... dont accept them, dont run your friends unless it is really important, and play the game for yourself.

J

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09/18/05 16:31

Dror

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Re: Running people round the world!

I'll admit, I've been ran to DF. Looking at all your posts really makes me think differently 'bout it though. I got ran for free, which was really cool, and I got my armor, but thats it. If I ever get to the point where I think I can, I'll start running my guild mates down there, too, but I'll probably do it like I did. I didn't go till I was lvl 16, still early, but not too bad. Now that I rambled on, I'll make sense.

Yeah, I got ran, but if I had it to do over, I'd wait till I could get there on my own. Don't get me wrong though, I'm keeping my armor. . . =)

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09/18/05 18:37

Einztein

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Re: Running people round the world!

heres my thoughts, my first character i knew nothing, i stayed in pre sear till lvl 8. And then i went step by step form every town to the next, slowly upgrading skills and armor, and am pretty far now as an ascended elem. But then wiht my second character i paid for a run from to piken, grendich, and so on til i got the run from beacons to forge. Which i deserve and respectr cause i dont want to spend a couple weeks going through pointless towns when in the end max armor is great. Also, i learned the farming technique and lvled greatly. There, im done now.

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09/18/05 18:42

slorideusa

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Re: Running people round the world!

Even with the second or third characters, I would rather complete the game on my own than to be run to different locations. I've heard of people going from Droknar's to Beacon's with henchies, but no one who's done Beacon's to Droknar's without running. I would rather find a decent group and fight my way down. It's a great place to work on startegy and see what you character and build can really do.

09/18/05 19:00

Aachmed

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Re: Running people round the world!

Remember this is a type of RPG. In this RPG there is a defined economy. Some ppl set themselves up as merchants and sell goods, some sell services, such as running. If someone is willing pay then the service is valid. No difference than calling a taxi. If you dont like spending all day trying to get to the next mission location and want to pay someone to help you, what's the harm? Everyone should be able tp play they way the want. There is a poster to these forums that provides a wedding service. Very creative way to make some game money. Like I said its an RPG. Take on a role and just have fun.

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09/19/05 11:32

Silly_Ranger

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Re: Running people round the world!

First off i'd like to say im way too tired to read all of these essays on running :S

My comments are:

1) No. Guild Wars used to be a fun place where people would shout out "LFG to run to Elona Reach even though we dont know the way and are most likely to die :D" But now people actually pay to get run there. Now when I ask people if they wanna go somewhere people PM me saying that it will be 1K and stuff.

2) Possibility of scammers.

The other day I was looking for a group from Beacon's Perch to Lion's Arch. 500 gold some one PMed me! I can go with henchmen and it will tell me the way using a quest. Sure running is faster but is it worth it? Its fun trying to run somewhere on your own with henchmen or with people.

I wish there were still groups that tried running places talking friendly without paying...

Rawrg

09/19/05 11:44

Lord_VoxBlackRiver

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Re: Running people round the world!

I couldn't agree more about it than this last post. As I stated I have NOTHING against runners and I think having the option to offer to pay for a run can be nice when you have done things over and over. My main concern is that friendship and helpfullness can disapear.

That would be sad but I trust Anet to do something about it if the in-game experience even gets to fall.

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09/19/05 12:11

Kain_Gibson

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Re: Running people round the world!

Awesome.

All of your posts have fed my curiousity needs for this topic.

I think every point was a valid one and respect everyones opinion on the matter.

I will add that I think running or being run rather to skip large portions of the game is rather silly. I've hired runners for my last two characters simply for the armor in Droknars, it helped alot in some of the more annoying early quests. As for being charged for these runs? I say these people have developed a skill and deserve to be paid. Of course it may lose something on the comraderie of the game by charging for said services. Not to mention those who scam other players. (Ive seen those people.)

But all in all, i truly believe that a service or item is worth only what someone will pay for it. For me that was 2k and then 5k. (The second time I got ran all the way from Piken Square..heheh. But returned promptly once all my armor was purchased :D )

Thanks all!

Kain

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09/19/05 22:17

Phoenix_Aduras

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Re: Running people round the world!

Ive run quite a few people with my second char as well as gotten the run to droknars forge at lvl 16 (at the desert but not ascended). Basically I got the run for the armor and skills plus the ability to start farming for my goals in the game (15k armor etc) I dont really see the problem in running, it is alittle unorthadox but so long as your fine with missing parts of the game...

09/20/05 15:33

MLA

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Re: Running people round the world!

I am a professional runner. I have run people to all of the hot spots save for Droknar's Forge. (I can make the run and have for guild members, but I feel it a bit unethical to run ppl that far. I'd rather see them earn that little piece of heaven) But I've run from Ascalon to Yaks stopping at all the little towns. I've gone to Beacon's Perch then on to Lion's Arch, again stopping in between. I've run people as far as the Temple of Ages from Yaks. I have been scammed many times (which I now have a little device in place for retribution; take a screenshot of them agreeing to pay then a shot of them leaving the team and send it in to ANet, they'll investigate and ban the account. Apparently in violates the codes of conduct by defrauding another player.)

As you can imagine, I have amassed quite a sizeable fortune. But I have been asked many times why I do such an unethical thing as running people through the game. Well, first, someone will always be willing to do the run, so why not let it be me and I pocket the gold. Second, most players are just being run on the second or third chars. Otherwise, how would they get 8k, for example. Third, it's nothing personal, just business. And fourth, ANet has made it quite difficult on runners lately. They made the Drok run even harder and put many new enchantment stripping creatures in the path of runners, so running has now become a "mission" in the game. It has gotten to the point where only the elite and highly practiced/skilled players can perform the runs. For what other purpose are you going to play the game if you have already beaten it? YOU WON'T and they know it.

The people at ANet have the ability to make running impossible, but then they would lose many players. No one will want to do the whole game all over again (which takes months to do completely) and people that just complete the game have little incentive to do much else with it. PvP is nice as is GvG, but the true sport of the game is running. As I said, only the best of the best can perform this task. Plus, you're getting paid to just run?? I make WAY more money running than I ever could farming. More money comes in much faster. That's how it is in the real world. It can not be stopped, so why not practice and armor up! "If you cant beat em, join em!" GL

09/20/05 16:16

Silly_Ranger

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Re: Running people round the world!

I was ran today for free on my ele and in the end I think its OK if its cheap or free (everyone likes free stuff! :))

The only thing people shouldnt do is:

1) Buy the armour then use it for PvP.
2) Do it when its there first character.

There was infact 1 person in the group (out of 4) That was their first character and didnt know what they were doing by getting this run.

Happy little note: I gave the guy a 1.5K tip :)

Rawrg

09/24/05 14:22

supersayaingoku

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Re: Running people round the world!

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actaully i have fought my way down and its alot easier to do that then it is running but it is very time consuming but it was good for the drops and exp u get

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09/24/05 19:41

mooseyfate

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Re: Running people round the world!

Here's a slightly new view on running... ANet's marketing says GW is not a grind, that you can do PvP right away. With all the locked skills, I firmly dissagree with this statement. Yes you can PLAY PvP, but your not on an equal playing field. If you just want PvP, do everything you can to unlock the skills as quickly as possible.

09/26/05 11:50

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