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Tez_Pace
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I am a "noob" to this game and are sick of people treating me different.
I have played the game trying to get a little help as possible and have managed to get a decent player, but I have noticed that people frown on noobs.
I must admit I hate these people who say "can you give me 100g" or "want a good sword for free" but weren't we all noobs at one point.
Do you think there should be a district for noobs.
Give me your opinion.
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| 09/27/05 04:44 |
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alisha
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Well, I don't think we need something as extreme as a Noob District just yet, but I do think there should be some kind of link or rules or whatever, to help real noobs that want to learn.
Let me take an example from a MUD game that I used to play. Each guild there had a function to introduce noobs to the game world. This function had an organisatorial structure in it, in which there was some sort of chief of aides, and the aides themselves. Their job was, rather obviously, to help the noobs of the guild to get through the first steps of the game, shape 'em up if you will (some even had standardised training).
Apparently, guilds in GW are more keen, IMO, towards the GvG or cooperative PvE end of things, meaning you gotta learn the basics all by yourselves, no one to greet you and guide you through the first steps. Though, I know there are many people there who would answer noob questions in their guild channels or even help with their pre-searing characters, it's more of a spontaneous thing than something more structured.
Personally, I try to help out my guild's noobs, or any nice enough noobs anytime I could (though I tend to find childish or rude noobs more easily). Unfortunately, it's not easy to spot 'em when they tend to be very quiet.
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| 09/27/05 05:03 |
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Well, there is a problem with helping newbs in guild. In my experiances if you help someone with a mission (in my case Nolani) he seemed to like the aid so much he practically refused to do anything without guild aid (logs on says "anyone want to help me with ______" and if there is a "No" about 3min later he logs off). He wouldn't even try a mission before asking help.
Eventually we got somewhere between 1-5 players who did this, and thus I tried to make my guild stop all forms of helping. They arent really getting help if you walk them through all the way. Kinda the "give me a/teach me how to fish" schenerio. Well, they will prolly get filtered out at thunderhead (although my monk is having some problems there, even when im grped with another monk who has 2mil exp. sometimes you have to rely on team)
Just a few of my thoughts, and if anyone knows how they would stop it. Feel free to lend a hand =)
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| 09/27/05 05:15 |
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I dont think their should be a noob district.
Because they cant get any help then from experienced players
and we we're al noobs once and now we are experienced i hope^^ so just let noobs be noobs they wil be experienced later to:D
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| 09/27/05 08:05 |
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I agree with Swamp Fox. So, what I do if I decide to help someone is I follow them, and if I see that they need help then I give it, and I always let them lead, and have first pick at ALL ITEMS DROPPED and I take whats left, but I NEVER lead and just kill everything in sight.[/U]
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| 09/27/05 08:21 |
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I have to agree with Swamp Fox...I have seen the same thing happen. I have helped new people to the point that if I'm too busy to help them, they are suddenly "bored" and dont want to play. I went on vacation for a week and when I came back two people that I had spent alot of time helping are now suddenly not online for about a week. One of the guys I was helping got annoying becuase he "wants a pommel of fortitude" and "wants max armor" and "wants rune of sup absorption" and everything else simply because I or other players have those things...he didnt want to go through the game and earn these things slowly over time like I did. Its good to be "helpful" but I think there is a such a thing as too much help. We all have to go through the stages of figuring stuff out and being new.
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| 09/27/05 08:39 |
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| QUOTE | I am a "noob" to this game and are sick of people treating me different.
I have played the game trying to get a little help as possible and have managed to get a decent player, but I have noticed that people frown on noobs.
I must admit I hate these people who say "can you give me 100g" or "want a good sword for free" but weren't we all noobs at one point.
Do you think there should be a district for noobs.
Give me your opinion. |
You are confusing n00b with Newb. Big difference. GW would be incredible if it had a n00b district. However, you ar etalking about a newb district. And there is one. It is called Pre-Searing. Stay there and learn your character while doing the quests there. Often times, there is someone that can help out there. If you have a firend that plays, ask them to create a new character also and work as a team with low levels, if you feel you really need the help.
| QUOTE | Well, there is a problem with helping newbs in guild. In my experiances if you help someone with a mission (in my case Nolani) he seemed to like the aid so much he practically refused to do anything without guild aid (logs on says "anyone want to help me with ______" and if there is a "No" about 3min later he logs off). He wouldn't even try a mission before asking help.
Eventually we got somewhere between 1-5 players who did this, and thus I tried to make my guild stop all forms of helping. They arent really getting help if you walk them through all the way. Kinda the "give me a/teach me how to fish" schenerio. Well, they will prolly get filtered out at thunderhead (although my monk is having some problems there, even when im grped with another monk who has 2mil exp. sometimes you have to rely on team)
Just a few of my thoughts, and if anyone knows how they would stop it. Feel free to lend a hand =) |
Well, GW is supposed to be a multiplayer game. I feel you were right in helping new players. However, it sounds like you took your Lv 20s back to do it. That was the error. Set a rule that you must be within, say 4 levels, in order to help someone. Even then, limit the ammount of help. Ex. I took my 14 lv R/Mo back to help a couple of 3rds that came over together. One had a Lv 20 E/Me, so was a somwhat familiar with the game. The other was completely new to the game. After the first couple of combats, after dealing out 94 points almost everyshot without using skills, I decided to help in a different way. I had a mending spell on them, and I took some hits. But other than that, they had to do it themselves.
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| 09/27/05 09:54 |
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And that is why I talked about a penalty like the death penalty for characters that go back to old ascalon with level 20 to help. Or a level restiction or ofsetting.
I got negative comments about it, but now others talk about is as well.
The fault lies in pre searing. it must only be allowed to proceed to after searing when a specific level is reached, or quests done, with the first character.
I went with my first at 4, saw the mistake, deleted her and came back a few days later with her clone at level 8, with 1.5K gold and enough crafted materials.
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| 09/27/05 13:58 |
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You know, I think Guild Wars likes newbs. I fact, i believe they incourage it, lol. We all were nebies once and newbies will always be around. If they act stupid and get on your nerves just ignore them. Make sure before you go out with a group if anyone had not done it yet. Those who havn't let em know whats up and how to act so all don't die. The newb acusation flies around a lot and the term is abused. I was in presearing with my 3rd char and was called a newb for a reason I can't remember, but it made me laugh. When doing Heros Cahllenge I had a large goup I collected and they all started acting stupid, telling me to drop this one or that one and I needed to get a different one. I told em this is the group so deal with it. They started calling me newb along with some assorted ugliness. I kicked em all except for one Ele and replaced em with henchies. We finished the mission first try btw. Newbs are new blood. Help them, educate them and enjoy the game. And please, take something for that swollen head if you have one.
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| 09/27/05 14:09 |
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The noobs that post, 'tell me what skills to use' and 'how can i make money' are the ones that get the rating of noob... I enjoy newbs, if they are wanting to play the game... unfortunately, it's hard to have appropriate levels of players to help the newbies without just bashing everyone that gets in their way... as mentioned, i usually just watch, and lend an occasionaly hand... unfortunately, levely 20 noobs are abundant...mostly because of the running (yeah, bashing again) but sometimes because they have played a lot by themselves and only used henchies. as a warrior, doing a lot with henchies... makes you more prone to be difficult in a team setting, where everyone else prefers to play without a death penalty :P
Teaching a warrior has to be one of the tougher tasks *sigh*
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| 09/27/05 14:38 |
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They should require Pre-Searing Characters to reach like lvl 6 or complete X amount of quests before they can proceed to the next phase.
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Bryan Fellow LVL 20 R/Me - Ch 1. Completed
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| 09/27/05 14:50 |
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Problem with players and noobs in this game is the fact that its overwhelmed with them. Theres no where in the game where you can say "Whew I can PvP without someone ruining it"....WRONG. The idea of having ANYONE being able to PvP sort of back fires and it gets on player's nerves to other new players - even if they arent bad.
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| 09/27/05 15:01 |
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Ok, this topic caught my eye, welcome to guildwars friend, and hello everyone else. I remember being a "newb" having no idea how to salvage items. We were all at one point not so well versed in the game.
I think instead of a limit, a series of trials which you must undertake to leave pre-searing. Such trials could include tests of things such as team play, or communications, or leadership (not that we want everyone thinking they are "leaders" if they passed). Of course, designing and initiating these would be quite hard. Any ideas?
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| 09/27/05 15:49 |
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if i didtnt have friends playing this game, and convincing me to buy it, i would have stopped very early, due to lack of how to play. ... maybe small tasks such as a quest for 5 planks of wood taken and sold to a vendor would be good, to let people know the valus of salvaging... maybe a rune reward, that explains why runes are available...reaching a specific place without agroing anything, or more than 1 group would be a good small quest... all of which must be done to consider leaving pre-seer
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| 09/27/05 15:59 |
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I recall my newbie days. I had made 4 levels in post-sear before I learned of henchies. lol *blushes* Let me tell you what kind of difference THAT made!
I agree, I think we should make a new thread, with a collective newbie tip of how to play. Not super detailed, and not filled with people's chat posts, but a good tip thread. Things that weren't to obvious when you started playing. Thoughts?
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| 09/27/05 16:25 |
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If you think about the quests in pre-searing, they are designed to teach. These quests should be required for at least the first character on an account.
-At least a couple of quests in the catacombs teach how to select an ally and cast spells on that ally.
-A couple teach you how to form a party.
-One teaches you how to "map" to a location.
-A couple teach you how to pick up and carry items.
-Some teach you how to open chest to find items.
-One teaches you that sometimes stealth is better than force.
A pop up appears giving hints. But I bet that most people ignored them, or at least most of them.
Sadly...
-I was in post-searing when I finally learned about the little green arrow for quests.
-I had a lv 20 before I understood that you could click the red square next to someone's name in the party box, then hit space, and you will attack the same enemy that that player had targeted. (I knew you could target, but no one was able to tell me how to locate the one that was targeted. And then how to activate selecting that same one.)
Identifying and salvaging was pretty obvious to me, once I visited the merchant.
How to choose what skills to put points into was pretty self-evident to me. But I still find many people in post searing that do not understand how to distribute the points to take advantage of them.
They need a window that will pop up with at least the commands for opening the other windows. Perhaps one that will allow people to read hints.
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| 09/27/05 16:39 |
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My 2 cents will be quite short:
There will never be ANY WAYS to cast unpleasant ppls aside. You don't need to be a N00b to harass players and pouts you need to be grown up. Now as for holding hands, restrictions, begginer district that would a) not work for tey would still come over normal district (no way you can make a difference) b) Be literally segregation and I think racism is not in fashion anymore... right?
Anet made this game with a cummunity in mind and want ppls to learn or by themselves or with our help and even more they want us dicussing in forums and threads like this one.
In my book you have decent ppls (experienced or not) and F___ ups. I don't mind those... so easy to ignore :)
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| 09/27/05 17:15 |
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Ya know... I just have to say this:
I don't get all those wisecracking jackasses that consider "n00b" as the ultimate insult.
I love guildwars, and I have beat the game itself about 4 times with different characters since the game came out... I have tested out at least HALF of all the possible dual classes available in the game...
With that being said, why is it that there is always some simpleton that constantly berates me with the term "n00b" as if it were somehow the most horrible thing in the world.
For one example (among countless) last night I was helping run this guy to the ice tooth cave. I didn't ask him for anything, I was just looking for something to do and he asked me if I could run him. I am a lvl 20 W/Me, more than capable... he was a lvl 8 E/R. So I exit out and I begin the walk to the cave. He died about 5 steps out. He began whining about how I wasn't doing my job as a 'meat shield' and that I was a total and utter 'n00b' to the game.
The entire journey to the cave he was constantly backseat-driving telling me I was going the wrong way, giving me crap about how I didn't know anything...
As you can imagine I considered the little bastard to be ungrateful as all hell. So just to spite him I reached the icetooth cave with minimal effort only to be 'thanked' with a "See, I told you I knew where it was...". At that point I stopped at the entrace to the cave... waved a friendly goodbye and mapped to deldrimor war camp... leaving his body to rot in the ice and snow.
I then received COUNTLESS pm's about what a 'n00b' I was and how I was going to 'pay for it' and how no one would ever want to join my party ever again. He claimed he was going to spread the word about how I was a jerkoff 'leaver' and ect...
Anyway about this point I blocked all his PMs.
*Looking back over his wordy post*
Mmm... I didn't mean to go on and on like that, but it really is a moronic thing to call someone.
'n00b'
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| 09/27/05 17:22 |
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I agree with UCCat. There are always going to be new players, and we all were new players once. New players should be helped and encouraged to improve themselves by imparting knowledge -- not by doing things for them or giving them money or items. The people asking, "what character should I make?" and "what skills should I use?" and "can you help me (read: do for me) x mission?" are asking people to play some of the most enjoyable and challenging aspects of the game for them.
It's important for people to understand that, while they may need help at times, you're not worth the virtual air your character breathes if you can't take care of yourself and get around on your own. Any accomplishment only means something if it's yours.
On the other side of that, people who abuse others for not knowing something about the game are pathetic weaklings who have non-game-related issues that are making them unhappy, spiteful people.
Not everyone is going to be an expert their first couple of weeks into playing. Anyone who is trying to learn and improve themselves instead of whining and getting a piggy-back ride through the game has my respect.
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| 09/27/05 17:59 |
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Hehe. I feel your pain, Treager. I've been called a n00b many times by some little punk despite my countless hours spent trying to perfect strategies, tactics, and character builds. In my experience, a cry of "n00b!" is usually a sure-fire tell of the speaker's n00b status.
Unfortunately American families seem to be cranking out more and more rude, spoiled, ungrateful, lazy little brats these days (oh dear, I may be showing my age here), and it seems they all play Guild Wars. ;-)
I had another good one the other night. I was helping a friend with the Thunderhead Keep mission. I was the leader and spent a good deal of time trying to put a good group together. I succeeded except for one unfortunate pick: a rusher warrior who wouldn't listen, wouldn't wait for a pull, wouldn't attack the group I circled, etc. We spent the entire mission firing pleas of, "slow down plz, David", "relax David", "plz stop rushing David, ur going to get us all killed", to which he would occasionally reply, "yyyyyeeeeeehhhhaaaaawwwww!" or "we haven't died yet, have we? I'm taking all the damage and saving your butts!"
Meanwhile I'm getting whispers from the monks every few minutes saying, "all I'm doing is healing him constantly...if he keeps this up I'm leaving." Long story short, we completed the mission on the first try thanks to a very skilled and well coordinated group -- such a good group that we succeeded despite a mindlessly rushing warrior. However, David had to proceed to lay the smack down on everyone about how we all needed to apologize to him for yelling at him because he won the mission for us.
One of the monks and I tried to gently explain to him that he was a liability and we were covering his butt the whole time. Heck, my character was a warrior and I was even throwing heals on him. Of course, he wouldn't accept any of this and insisted that his warrior build is the Ultimate Invincible Uber-Warrior and that we owe him big time. I made one last comment that he should learn to work with a team. At that point he made it quite clear that I am, in fact, a n00b, and that I'm just jealous cuz he's such an uber-badass.
The little bastard had no idea how lucky he was to be carried through that mission. Sigh.
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| 09/27/05 18:27 |
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Yes we were all noobs at one stage and I have no problem helping people. This is to say helping is "not" doing it for them or giving them maxed items but reply to questions and so on.
NO! there should not be a noob area as no noob or elite game player is any better than another player.
YES! there is a trend that shouts "NOOB" at anyone who does not know everything about the game and its stupid.
If someone is such an elite player they help or keep their mouth shut (or just dont type). My idea is most of the people out there shouting noob dont know stuff all or have issues and cover it by down grading others who ask a simple question.
As for any person asking for help, ignore the name callers they are most likely still getting over the first time their mum said "NO". Ask your questions as many will help and new players dont need to know everything before buying the game.
As for the help issue in this post, help is giving info or showing someone where something is but not doing it for them all the time. Maybe even parting with a couple of items to those who look like they are trying.
Some people helped me alot when I started so to say thanks to them I try to help others. Sometimes they are thankful and sometimes not but in the end its worth it.
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| 09/28/05 23:01 |
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Is there no challenge in doing it at your own. is that not the basis of any rpg to do the quests.
Last a player asked to be taken to the next town in a coop town. well do the mission and there it is. the player was level 15 so what is the problem The hencies there are also 15.
I think it also has to do with backbone.
BTW can someone for the sake of conversation define the term noob(And so the difference between noob and newbie), and what the letters stand for.
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| 09/29/05 02:04 |
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Check this out for a description of the terms. Scroll down to PlayerKaye's post.
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| 09/29/05 13:22 |
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| QUOTE | Unfortunately American families seem to be cranking out more and more rude, spoiled, ungrateful, lazy little brats these days (oh dear, I may be showing my age here), and it seems they all play Guild Wars. ;-)
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hehe, i am sure i have you beat Dex
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| 09/29/05 14:41 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | Unfortunately American families seem to be cranking out more and more rude, spoiled, ungrateful, lazy little brats these days (oh dear, I may be showing my age here), and it seems they all play Guild Wars. ;-)
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hehe, i am sure i have you beat Dex |
But your profile says you're 5! =P
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| 09/29/05 16:10 |
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