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concrete

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cheating a big problem still?

i must say that given all the cheating problems that occurred even late in UT1's lifespan, i am surprised at how few cheaters i've run across in 2k4 (being new and all)

wormbo recently posted:

I know that Anti TCC can be bypassed if the cheater knows what he's doing. I have checks that can detect those kinds of hacks, but I won't implement them in Anti TCC 1.x anymore.
Version 2.0 is already in the works and will contain a whole range of new checks, but I can't say when the first public version is going to be released to the public.

so wormbo for one is still working on staying 1 step ahead of the cheaters, which is good, but what i have to wonder is why hasn't it been as huge of a problem as in some past games?

i know at first ig ctf had quite a few big catches early on... but other than that it's been pretty quiet save the occasional individual nabbed from ctf or tdm... hell i've only seen 2 aimbots in public servers so far...

one theory i have (i suppose it only applies to weapons) is that all competition essentially comes down to lan tourneys... you can do whatever you want online, but if you can't perform under pressure at a LAN with money at stake, it's irrelevant... this discourages cheating because ultimately it won't bring you the competitive success that it would if it were solely based on online winning... the problem is, CS is largely based on LAN competitions, too... and there's constantly cheaters developing in even some of the better teams there...

there seems to be an exceptional anti-cheat sentiment in ut2k4 (especially compared to ut1)... is that what's responsible?

or am i completely off, and are there tons of cheaters running around that i just haven't seen?

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08/14/04 09:45

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

As you said, those who are truly competitive, for the most part, don't cheat, since it's just stupid to do so, due to the various LANs and how quickly one is typically found out.

Most often, cheaters do so in public games where the consequences arn't so dire.

Scum of the Earth, I say!

08/19/04 09:10

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

I haven't really run into many cheaters lately, but that's probably because I play at vipers-lair all the time :\

I am a semi-nerd! It's true!

08/20/04 11:56

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

I have yet to see a cheating problem, it seems that people just like to get angry at players more skilled than you. I saw a good "how to detect cheaters for morons" guide somewhere, when I find it i'll post it.

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08/21/04 21:51

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

Found it:

I think this community could benefit from a guide on how to spot and deal with cheaters. I hope this will help a little in combating false accusations and reinforcing legitimate ones. If you spot a mistake or have more info to add let me know and I'll add it in, assuming anyone cares and this thread gets any responses.

1. Compare The Players Other Skills Against Their Aim
In my opinion this is the fastest and most reliable tool in identifying botters, but one needs to have a little bit of skill to identify skill in others. If you haven't been playing with someone for more than a few seconds and you are accusing them of botting, you're part of the problem. Play with them for a while and look at other aspects of their skill.

* Do they have projectiles moving to the door you're popping out of before they see you?
* Do they switch to the best weapon for a given situation quickly?
* Is it difficult to hit them because of the fluidity of their movement?
* Are the power-ups always gone by the time you find them?

If you find yourself answering "yes" to the above questions and others like it, you probably are just playing against a player who is better than you. Players who are very skilled often get that way because they want the satisfaction of winning against players who have the same chance they do. Count it as an opportunity to learn. I have seen decent players defeated by large margins by players with outstanding mastery of fundamentals. I have seen the same very good players accuse their opponents of cheating when they clearly were not. Just because you can defeat all of your buddies handily does not mean you could hold a pea in a bucket playing online. Learn the true measures of skill.

2. Spectate the Suspect in First Person
If you have determined that a players aim far surpasses his or her skill, you should spectate them in first person (hit F4 to switch) before accusing them. Sometimes players just practice their aim more than their other fundamentals. This will also give you a chance to record a demo of them (hit "~" and then type "demorec "). There are telltale signs that aim-bots exhibit.

*Does the suspect shoot directly at opponents with every weapon (including slow moving ordinance like rocket launchers or primary link rounds). You might also notice them seeking out high hitscan weapons like the lightning gun or shock rifle. The catch is that they often aren't good enough to know where to find them, so you might not even be able to tell they are looking.
* Does the suspect's view "flip" very quickly to face opponents when they appear out of his FOV (via a door in the same room, spawning in, etc.)? Be careful not to confuse this and plain old lag.
* When the suspect has someone under their crosshairs do they track 100% of the time regardless of how fast the opponent moves? Make sure to check for more than just a few seconds. Many people have the skill to look like an aim-bot for a couple of blinks. This phenomenon may not be visible while the suspect is using high damage per hit weapons like the Lightning gun. It is easier to see with weapons like the minigun, and very easy to see using the assault rifle primary fire.

3. Find Another Server
Don't waste your time trying to convince the offender to leave or stop cheating, and don't set yourself up for acting the fool if you just aren't at a level where you can spot an excellent player yet. If the pressure of mainstream society and their own conscience hasn't convinced them not to cheat, neither will you.

4. Contact the Server Admin
Don't contact DrSin or any other board admin directly. They don't know you're not a moron. If you have information about those who are providing the means to cheat they have asked you to contact them at ut2004abuse@epicgames.com. Inundating them with the names of people who are potential users of malicious utilities does little good. The best thing you can hope for is to stop the cheaters from getting onto servers which you like to play on. Contact the server administrator with a demo of the possible offender and perhaps they will ban them or be convinced to introduce better cheat prevention utilities (Anti-TCC, etc.).

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08/21/04 21:59

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I hate cheaters, especially when I play for the challenge

Recently I got accused of botting on a server called Gladiator, its public, instagib CTF. See www.pfb.tripod.com under botters, I am the last one listed [NdA]Mini_Gun, well I used to be in a little clan, infact it didn't even last a week, oh well. Butt the problem is, I got accused of botting and got banned when I don't even know how to bot, nor do I have a bot program. I wrote to epic and atari, because I want to find out what was the problem, maybe it has to do with the server, or maybe it has to do with the patches I dnloaded from unrealtourament.com. Infact at first, I was playing online and tried to get onto the servers but I got kicked then I found out I had to dnload the patches inorder to play different types of games like instagib, vctf. I wasn't aware of it until recently. Ofcourse, I tried to talk to the admin of the server but that was no use. Now, the only commands I know of doing anything special when I have adrelanin, up up for speed, and up up and down down for rapid fire, kinda like going crazy. But thats not botting. I see others bot, where they just shoot you from anywhere. Its really annoying when you want to have a good game and time is short like in my case. And the funnything is, all the admins I have come across are complete assholes, like this power trip they have because they have the control of their servers. Just play the game and at least try to listen to few of those who likes to play UT2004, like my case. I can easily abandon ut and play half life2, world of warcraft, and others but I chose not to. I would hope that epic and atari would get hold of Gladiator server and my computer and go through the damn codes and see where the error occured. I wouldn't mind if they even took the damn things. I should not be accused of falsely cheating when the only thing I hate in the game world are cheaters.
ps, i have died probably 100 times in half life2 just because i run out of ammo and health, but not once did i go online and look up for the codes. Many of you will be saying, all cheaters deny that they are cheating or in this case botting. Well, let me just erase all my porn from my damn hardrive and I will send you my hardrive and find out whats going on.....anyone up for the challege...

05/10/05 12:07

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

Epic is too lazy to look at server logs I bet.

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05/10/05 18:31

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

Your best bet is to simply find new servers. Big pub servers sometimes have admins who are immature/ignorant/other stuff and it always causes problems, but really it's their private server (they are paying for it out of their own pockets), so they can do what they wish. If they want to ban everyone that looks at them funny, they have the right to do so.

Was this a problem of anti-cheat falsely detecting something as a hack? If that's the case, did you have problems in any other servers? If so, the best thing you can do is clear your cache and see if it's still doing it. If it is, you might try reinstalling ut2k4 in a new directory. That SHOULD solve the problem.

If you're not being falsely detected as a botter by other servers, the admin is probably just being an idiot. In which case, simply find other servers to play on. Personally, I'd rather play in a Pick Up Game rather than a simple pub anyways =P.

Are you a North American, Australian, or European player? (I suppose there are other possibilities, but not nearly as likely ;))

05/12/05 03:19

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

I did have few problems with Internet Explorer in the beginning with its security flaws and banners until I dnloaded firefox. Thanks GOD no more adwares screwing my computer. Yes I did notice in the beginning that I used to get kicked from servers while the Anti/Cheat was checking in the beginning of games. At this time, I was not even aware of the fact that I needed to dnload all the patches from unrealtournament.com. I thought why, i just bought this damn game? It should be already built in. Also, I did reinstall UT few times and since then I have not had any problems with any other servers. And updated the patches. The [NdA] tag is like 5 months old, what I don't understand is how come I am finding it this week, 5/10/2005. Well, time to move on to different servers. Anyone knows any good instagib ctf servers, low gravity, and no translocator.[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR]

05/12/05 08:33

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

I dont play this game at a competitive level (yet) cuz right now I just enjoy playing ffa pubs on west coast servers such as Ratmans, Atari Demo West and Catalyst (LOL i know i know rankin..) and occasionally Ive found a couple of cheaters who obviously doesnt care about being found out. The moment I see him, instant zap with the link until I die.. Then when he wins 30-0, he calls us all noobs, disconnects, then comes back in with a different name (preferably the name of the one who made fun of him for cheating, ME most likely) and then starts cheating again.

Well one time, I think I really pissed this cheater off because everyday, in the Atari server, he would be in there spectating the whole day using MY NAME so that I couldnt use it.. Well theres a simple trick to combat name copying but still It got annoying. Reported him to Atari admin and 5 minutes later, he's banned.

Even though like you guys said, cheating is only for people who dont wanna go competitive, theres still a BIG problem in cheating especially in the demo servers because thats the place where all NEW PEOPLE come in and try the game. When cheaters come in, they easily get discouraged. I for one, play in there for FUN and HELPING the new people with the game.

More power to you AntiTCC folks.

05/13/05 09:16

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

Hi
I dont know if this is the right thread-or if im breaking rules-I dont mean too- But i have noticed over the last 3 months hacks and cheating is the norm. Its not the few like so many will say or hope folks will beleave. Id guess folks say well others are and to be competitive and to look cute for children and to get the oos and aahs they hack like hell

All and all im new to online gamming been playing ut 03-4 since aug of 03. I paid 50 bucks for ut2004. I play sometimes 10-12 hours a day- my skil learning curve has peeked as ive read same for others. I play the same folks all the time and have a good memory. I guess im a ok player.I like most that buy this game are not tournament players and im not in a clan- TDM is my favorit game I dont play the other parts much, mosyly because I do not really know the differant game types or maps so its hard to compete.So all I really have to play on are public servers.

Its no matter if the servers are called demo servers or clan servers, you do not need to be a rocket scientist to notice many folks have unfair mutators that all others do not have. Its more easy to notice when folks you play all the time and normaly stomp and are normally low scoring players, by some mirical of the gods turn into super good players in an instant or the next game, then swear up and down the are not cheating- These folks can pretty much turn them on or off at will, but at times its like they have to wait their turn to hack.Im no expert computer geek or nerd so I cant explain in perfect details.I have noticed from the server list some 1 or more same team or not will log into game kill maybe 3-4 log out - then log in again- join the game they seem to be the ones with super skils speed aim armor all of it. You can not see the multible log ins from the ingame score board.

I know for a fact some cheat, Id say most do. If you post on such things at ut atari forums they say you are a idiot and delete the posts- yet many other sites even this 1 will speak on them. Even web sites talking on other games ,folks will mention ut and how they dont even play it any more cause of the cheating and how the anti hack stuff is a joke.I honestly think the ones that argue the most say its no or very few cheaters are the ones cheating the most-or they keep falling back to or making referances to tournament for money games and there is no cheats because the hard and softwares are provided and you can not play with the program in anyway etc. No matter how much you say well i play the public servers, they dance around your every word say you have no skil and are ignorant.

More info on servers- screen names of hackers. My brother a computer geek just got all the hacks these folks are using.Info on next page. dont worry i will not give the cheats to any1 nor do i want them-i dont want to lose my version of the game,but i would like for him to show me how they work.

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08/18/05 16:24

eht

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

I had played the game for a few months befor buying it, Less than 2 months after that I noticed things just was not right. I emailed UT ATARI EPIC all of them complaining on the cheats and how do I return the game for a refund 6x to each of them neither of them even gave a reply back so im stuck with it now.

I normaly play TDM on collegedate- atari east or west- catalyst or fractory 5v5- mostly collegedate cause it has 18 players and full most of the time. The flac gun is my favorit. I use all the other guns fighting my way to it or when it runs out of shells etc.I try to stay away from the shield and lightning guns but will use them also.with out armor health pick ups etc. running all through the game trying to collect it. My high score on collegedate is 76kills most with the flac gun.I average between 45 to mid 60tys, yes a long way from a pro but not bad for a noob. Rankin is my favorit cause i know where everything is etc.Ive read in some parts of the game or in competition its best to go for your power ups. Ive started too lately but, ive also read many will go for as many kills as they can befor they are killed is how I normally play TDM

I notice alot when im playing my best and stomping folks, normaly 1 of 3 things will happen.#1 The game will go into a lag or players can not be found to fight then either 1 or a few or a whole team will be super fast better aim armor all of it. #2 Or will happen in the next game.#3 Or its like some have server rights and can use the newer bot mods to give their team bots more power than any on my team etc. My bots are stupid maybe stand around or run into my line of fire get me killed, while their bots on the other team fight like hell are way more powerful super fast etc. than mine or even me sometimes.Also many will come into the game super fast and strong extra armor expart aim all of it from the start of the game--play 1 game then out just befor the end of the game,Its almost like they are afraid the system will catch them or befor folks can catch their scores.

Keep in mind combos last a few seconds not all game. Also none should spawn with the glowing double damage weapons but you can plainly see it as they spawn. None should be able to hover in 1 spot off of the floor.None should be able to see or kill you from around cornners and you know they could never see you or know you are there or running that way.None should be super fast all game.None should be able to scramble your guns make them start changing for no reason back and forth over and over to less powerful guns and to confuse you when near or fighting them.None should be able to manipulate or multiply their scores but..

All of this happens anyway.Also I read the lightning gun because of its low rate of fire has extra aim assist over the other guns if its enabled in the game that is-but only seems to work for some and beat you to death with it even when you are hitting them many times even with the flac gun and double damage. Yes i love to see flac shells explode in folks face hit them 2-3 times etc in the chest, then they kill me with 1 shot with any weapon every time, all game even. It really pisses me off when they do it with the shield gun and lightning gun. more next page>>>

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08/18/05 17:36

eht

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

Afew months ago on collegedate rankin, just out of the flac gun room into the large open room with the shock gun. In the middle of the floor with its head down and sparkeling was 1 of the big dragon looking things, just standing there for like 45 seconds or so GOD LIKE.We was all shooting it running into it and dying, then it just exploded died. When it respawned it was not god like. Id guess the fellas system crashed or something, then figured we all knew he was hacking.

How I know folks are hacking hard, and made me ask my brother adout the cheats which he now has.Again collegedate maybe 2 1/2 months ago now screen name Player, which by the way can be playing on and scoring on 3-4-7 differant servers and game types at the same time,how i do not know but he does. I often from the server lists see who is playing in the games watch their scores etc.Anyway I play him all the time he is like a 20 kill per game dude. This 1 day we was playing he was scoring over 200 kills per game. I went off b--ching, his in room friends told him to turn his crap off again he could hardly score 20 kill games.

Normally when I speak on this, folks Id guess his buds also hacks start saying stuff like ya pros can score like that he is not cheating. I say ya well what part of- he is a less than a 25kill per game dude and back to that type score when not hacking do you not understand-seems to me if he is so good would he not score like that all the time or close to it. Please shut up and get for real.If he can multiply his score by some 10x he and his friends can 2 or 3x or what ever to look like more normal high scores.

Infact late last night on collegedate 2 of us was playing each had a bot, near the end of the game i checked the score. My self and bot had like 13 kills each. The other team dude had 2 bots, 1 had 0 score the other had 1 kill- the other dude had 42kills i killed him afew more times than he killed me, his score was more than 2x my team score-Its crap garbage I went off and left the game.

This guy I think i hate most another 20 kill player talks alot of crap Super_Ninja_VAIO or Super_Ninja_COCK he has been changing it alot lately ive been trying to get folks to report these hackers to Jeff.Morris@epicgames.com he does nothing about it but, ninja is the 1 that scrambles my guns changing all crazy for no reason. All the other hacks are 1 thing but i cant fight at all if my guns are going crazy, he can hack his scores on out too, not as high as player yet. Ive seen this hack on other servers also-i dont play then enough to catch who it is though.Ive noticed if maybe a team is losen the last 5 minutes or so their whole team gets super fast and powerful and on the week ends groups of players can come into a game all super everything-folks you play all week are super good on the weekends- You experts explain all of this. Haha many will lie make excuses

All the servers ive played on and these 2 guys have played on I see lots of players with extra everything we normal folks do not have. Id guess Player is the master hack and passing them to others. Its a shame i love this game. Its hard to play and enjoy it anymore-I wish i had not spent my money on it. I will not make the same mistake when the new game comes out-I will stick with the demo, if i even care to play it anymore. Id guess the reason why ut gives away some 98% of the game in the demo is becuse its hack to death-they can not nor will not do anything about it. Only a retard cant see when folks have extra mutators all freaken game, you empty 14 guns into them they stil kill you with 1 shot or what ever

08/18/05 18:43

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

While I understand where you are coming from I think a fair amount of it is in your head.

You can kill a person in this game VERY quickly if they aren’t completely stacked. Keep in mind that a head shot is probably fatal, three rox spun up is fatal, bio is fatal, dead on alt flak is fatal, the list goes on. Even the “spray and pray” weapons such as link and mini can be near instant death provided the persons aim is dead on.

Most “WTFUX was that” situations in this game can be explained by two things. Stellar aim, and great situational awareness. Given that this game is a HUGE hitscan fest a player with semi decent aim and decent map knowledge can (and will) blast you and kill you nearly instantly if you don’t have the 100a and some vials on you.

The problem seems worse because a ton of people have quit Unreal for other games (BF2, CSS, WOW) so the odds of your running into a fairly skilled player are much higher than they are in more popular games. Any player from a middle tier clan can walk into a demo server and go godlike without much thought or care, and with a lack of populated servers this happens more and more. People also don’t like to use their real names and just goof off. Keep in mind that most of the competitive players will wipe the floor with casual players.

If a person lives through all your guns odds are they were “stacked” This is a term given to a player that has maxed out his armor, and health. If a person has 199 health (easy to get on vials) 150 shields, then they aren’t going to go down easily. Unless you kept track of every health vial, and armor they go there is no way to deduct just what their health situation is, and keeping track of this is impossible in a public server.

On a side note- I know some cheat makers, and cheat distributors, yes there are hacks for this game. But truth be told there aren’t many hacks that don’t emulate something a person can’t already do. A good player can use sound just as effectively as a radar, the clock just as well as a timer, and can hit dead on projectiles without a prediction bot. The only two things that generate skill above a normal human are an aimbot and a triggerbot. Even then if you want to get away with using one it’s next to impossible to tell unless you have people that know how it works watch them as a spectator.

If you can provide a DEMO recording, or more specific instances in which things happened then maybe people could figure out what happened.

Also don't bother with the Atari forums, they are full of morons.

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08/19/05 04:50

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

Thanks Saito

Alot of what you wrote ive read in other places.I know its lots of good and honest folks in the game but , I still think way more cheat than folks want to admit.

The 2 folks I spoke of should be band from the game, seems not enough people will speak up on it and forsure the server owners are not policing their servers booting and reporting them or others.Its like I seen on the national news last month said most MOST school kids today from high on College etc. Their own parants pay others to cheat for their kids college intrance tests-tests all through college all of it.Most really are as dumb as a rock today.The few kids that work hard for all they get sit and see all these folks cheating right in front of them, yet do not want to be called a snitch for ratting folks out. So to see others winning in a computer game thinking well every 1 eles is cheating I may as well also to compete or to look cute for children and for the oos and aahs is sickening

I dought I will ever be pro win money or even join a clan-Clans have asked. I just want to have honest fun with honest folks. The most of the millions of folks that buy this game are the simple guy like me. Public servers is all we have to play on. The tv thingy is fact nothing I made up.It was national news. I really dought alot of what I see in the game is in my head and being that my brother now has all of their cheats so I know they are real and others post on them or complain both here and other places

Its nothing I can do about it, or alone. I just want to enjoy my 50 buck game. I wish more folks had better moral fiber and to many folks today want to turn the other cheek or give a blind eye to much garbage in this country or the world, even the cyber world until it kills some 1s computer or bank accounts. I guess I will just give up..

good luck to all...

08/19/05 18:58

eht

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

like now friday night collegedate all servers on the weekend- same suckers you play with all week- flying all over the place super fast- super aim fly 1 side of the room to the other- all crap- I just want my money back for this stupid game- I did not pay for the hack crap or the freaken lies all seem to want to tell- its just a freaken game admit to the crap-We are not as stupid or underskiled as the hacks want folks to beleave

give me my freaken money back atari ut epic who ever- all i paid for was to make freaken hacks happy-only they can enjoy this stupid game.I will never spend another dime on any atari epic or any other name on the box. they can go to hell

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08/19/05 22:47

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

eht, maybe its been mentioned before but, give specific examples.

When you find someone that you suspect is cheating, go to spectate mode and record a Demo while spectating. Then put a link to you demo here. An easy way to do this is upload to http://www.yousendit.com and provide the link to the demo here. This will allow the more experienced folks/admins an oppportunity to review/confirm your claims.

x-fire: tiger5tyle

08/20/05 12:33

eht

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

now i cant play at all on any of the public servers- most every game some 1 is running the gun hack-has my guns changing going crazy for no reason-and i have full ammo-and does it even if i turn off switch on pick up--

its a shame i liked this game-i hope you all die of something bad very bad-of you lying cheat hacks- 50 bucks wasted on this garbage- you can read about the hack on a few sites-im sure all of you hacks will say its no such thing-its all in my mind- I dought any of you have any real skil at all-

make your own demos- you all know this garbage is going on-and is way alot more than admited--i just lose my money- enjoyment and time learning to play and faith in people- so you all can look cute for children with all your garbage.

im just going to trash this game-all the talk in the world will not change low life scum bags. I hope life gives you all your just rewards-

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08/26/05 13:03

Saito

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

while I'm tempted to lock this thread (I'm shocked it was dug up in the first place) perhaps there are better solutions.

You could play one of the people that checks this site for news and events, or even one of the guys that played in GGL. Nobody here, or who played in GGL cheats. Everybody is clean with several demos of them in game, and has played in matches with cheat protection AND a reff watching them. If that's not enough for you several of those matches were watched live by large amounts of people who could see exactly what was going on (note this is for entertainment value but it's still a valid point). So I can assure you that everyone of them is completely legit.

Why not just give that a try and see where it lands? You might learn something. If you aren't an American/Candian we can find you a respected euro player that is clean also.

08/28/05 05:37

eht

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

well its been a month and a half now not playing ut2004- i moved and have cable connection now-today i played for the first time-some sucker hack cloned my screen name on collegedate server-and was scoring mad high score-i left the game turned on the firewall on my router-im not sure if it will help or not- i loged out of the game-it the clone was not there when i returned-- its a riot folks swear up and down its no cheats in this game--i again say i dought any are honest- its a shame i like this game-but my money is gone on hackers- the same that steal credit cards- kill computers and spam the hell out of folks for some perverted crap-gay fag stuff etc. I will delete this game off of my computer-if they can hack clone my screen name-id guess you hacks can kill my $6,000 buck computer

10/18/05 20:31

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

By hack-clone ur screen name do u mean they just aliased as you? Cause I don't really understand what is going on.

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10/21/05 13:50

eht

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

saying i guess he highjacked my isp cable connection how ever its worded- was same exact screen name as mine- was on same team at first then changed to other team- i loged out-turned on my router fire wall then back to game-maybe a minute-the clone was gone- i noticed it in about the middle of the game-my self and other scores was like 30 or so--this guys score was 120 over 3x all our other scores-

but most that hack and have such high scores will leave the game just befor or just as soon as the game is over--befor folks check the score- most of your hard hackers-only play 1 game or so-afraid the system-or server owner will catch them-

its no matter anymore- i read on all these sites you cant stop the cheaters no matter what you do-its just not right-but what pisses me off more is all the liers that say it is no cheats-or ut is clean-its a flat out lie- the only honest games are games for money on lands-where the hard and softwares are provided-and you cant tamper with the game-all of these public and clan servers have cheats and hackers-and way more have server right than they let you know-

I was new to computers and games-when i spent a lot of money and built my system--i thought security and is my greatest prob--had i known so many was not honest-and the cheating so bad--i would have saved alot of money- what does it matter- you cant beat cheats- i have more respect for a 3 kill per game player than a cheat

i will not waste any more time here-nothing can be done-its my lost-and all other honest folks also- this is just a place to vent and bitch about it- just know--the ones that argue the most say its no cheats-more than likely are the ones cheating you the most--common sence

10/21/05 15:24

Moyer

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

Eht. I doubt the guy 'hacked ur cable modem' he probably just changed his in-game name to match yours, so that if someone tried to kick him (for cheating) they might accidentally kick you. Once you left the server, he had to change his name to match someone elses, to protect himself in the same way.

I won't deny there are cheaters, but I will deny that there is a cheating 'problem' with UT. I've seen only 2 or three cheaters (aimbotting) in my entire UT career, over two years.

I have never seen anyone cheat in a scrim or an official match for any league.

Granted, I play mostly on servers running ANTI TCC (a anti-hack) program, and Collegedate.com is a un protected demo server, therefore making it much for vulnerable to cheaters.

So I can't tell you that you will never see another cheater if you play on better servers, but it'll be much less likely and dealt with (ie. banned) much more quickly.

A cheater in a demo server who aliased as you, is no reason to quit UT.

Try these two servers:

64.237.35.119:7777

69.31.96.185:7777

Competition is much higher than CollegeDate.com, but they are secure, and more enjoyable in my opinion. Have fun.

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10/21/05 23:29

eht

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

thanks dude- i will try the other servers- i dont mind hard play-being a sportsman- perfect practice makes perfect- even if at first i dont do so well ill get better in time.

1 of the probs was there was really no list of honest servers i could play on-not being in a clan etc.- and to tell the truth the real reason i play collegdate is it has 18 players-mostly full all the time and lots of action-

of all the games i own ut2004 tdm is my favorit- i play the other parts of this game at times also- i think if some of you guys spent more time on the 3 or 4 public servers ive spoke on in past posts-knew the players-you would see it was more cheating than known- its common place- and they gloat on it also the stupid 1s feel we can do nothing about it anyway-i think they are right about that-

um i forget how to type in- get to servers- i tried from in game command line using the ~ key- it didnt reconize it

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10/22/05 06:30

Moyer

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

The two servers I gave you are TDM, just copy the ip addresses and paste it into you're server browser (right click -> add to favorites -> ctrl v.)

Moyer
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10/22/05 15:14

eht

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

again server browser- i dont know what you are talking about or how to bring it up-

its ok i figured it out--thanks

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10/22/05 18:28

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

this is like the biggest thread ever here

10/28/05 02:07

Moyer

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

ur the biggest thread ever here.

Moyer
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10/28/05 22:03

eht

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

it should be more large and on other sites- good people should speak up. The cheating is way to much, its to many lies, and a rip off for both us that buy these games and the companies that make them- cheaters of any kind should be jailed if cought.

I was reading on a site the other day, that basically trains hackers-gives them all the tools programs to make them. the site even speaks of the cheats [code of honor]. You can make your own or buy them from others, you just dont tell.It spoke of the millions spent for anti hack cheat programs, how they are a joke and how some half gay nerd can write code or what ever in his underware to beat it in short time.

But what i have noticed is the servers with the most cheating, public servers are all the 1s with the 3334 patch which by the way is most of them. It dont take rocket science to know or see the cheating.A no skil player of less than 20 kills per game can crank his crap up score over 200 kill games then back to less than 20, ya im a retard. 50 million wedsites or people complaining cant be wrong either. Way more cheat at this game than are honest, and it sucks. The worst thing is we can do nothing about it

10/29/05 03:16

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Re: cheating a big problem still?

believe it or not..there is actually a lot of cheating

bots r getting better at evading anti tcc and others like it

another thing is something a lot of people do....force skins
there is a code u put in ur script for ut and it forces everyone to a skin only on ur game. many people change everyones skins to gorge, a big bright character. its easier to shoot people cuz they look like bigger targets

i find forced skins really annoying and it is ONLY stopped by utcomp forcing their skin to another one

12/15/05 15:47

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