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Aku

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Superior runes in Pvp?

Did a search and came up with nothing on this subject.

My question is:

Should you use Superrior runes in Pvp or is the -75 to health too much of a burden?

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10/20/05 12:22

Lord_VoxBlackRiver

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

Not going into details about builds because the list would stretch from here to australia... Superior runes are ESSENTIAL in some types of PvP builds. It always depends on how you play and what role your char will have in a team. Nothing in this game is a burden if you know how to use it.

Check the guides, hints/tips sections here and lookout for some build exemples.

Hope it helps.

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10/20/05 12:29

Swamp_Fox

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

I did a nice decoy-monk in pvp with 5 superior runes and a -50 hp icon if you know what I mean =).

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10/20/05 12:40

Aku

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

What about Sup Axe or Sup Sword on a W/E?

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10/20/05 12:44

SBOSparda

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

i dont think sup runes are for nething but casters warriors and rangers *unless a trapper* shouldnt use them cause in most cases i dont believe a xtra 9 damage a hit using a skill is worth 75 life

10/20/05 13:05

Balthamos

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

You could argue that because a warrior is not considered the primary target that in PvP a superior rune is acceptable for a warrior to use. I tend not to use them though.

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10/20/05 13:20

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

there are other reasons to use superior runes (the monk build being 1 :)

but for casters who use secondary skills, a superior rune makes a large difference in the amount of attribute points available to distribute. (assuming you use the rune to get to 11 or 12 and not 16)

the -75 health can be offset with the proper staff head and wrapping and a vigor rune.

10/20/05 13:25

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

yea i use superior runes on pvp characters whenever i can. but u pretty much need a superior vigor to offset the -75. i dont use more than one however, thats way too much. usually i center a pvp build around around doing something specific, and know what skills need to be the strongest and put the runes on accordingly.

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10/20/05 22:53

Mann

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

All on preference. It just depends if you like it or not. Experiement maybe? Some people like the extra damage, healing, longer lasting spells, etc. It's how able you are to be flexible, and if you are willing to sacrifice or not. So it's really up to you to come to a conclusion.

10/21/05 01:31

Aku

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

OK thanks guys for your input.

IMHO Playing a W/E in Pvp with Sup Vigor and Sup absorbtion with no other Sup runes I find that I have enough Damage/life to kill well and if my team is dying I'm usually the last man standing.

For my N/Me I'm using Sup Curses or Sup Blood depending on the build.

For my Mo/Me I'm using Plenty of Sup runes or not depending on the build.

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10/21/05 11:33

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

I use Superior Rune on all my chars, it just boosts your attacks and stuff. I also heard that weopons get a little dmg bonus for each point of attribute above the rqment.

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10/24/05 12:42

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

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I did a nice decoy-monk in pvp with 5 superior runes and a -50 hp icon if you know what I mean =).

hah, my TA team came across a 105/55 monk on an all monk team just 2 weeks ago. Between our mesmer, and all the degens I lay down with my ranger conditions, we killed him at least 6 times in the 2 or 3 minutes alotted. It was the one lava map where the objective is to kill as many times as possible in the given time.

I'm shocked people actually would still use that build when it is so easy to counter in PVP that it's not even funny.

as for runes in PVP, I use 2 sups, but as a ranger, I am rarely the primary target. I guess it all depends on the build you're running. If it's the difference between 4 or 5 extra dmg per hit with a skill, then I'd say no, it's not worth it, but if it's the difference between a degen or regen going 1 point up, that can make all the difference in the world.

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10/24/05 19:25

Aku

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

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I did a nice decoy-monk in pvp with 5 superior runes and a -50 hp icon if you know what I mean =).

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I'm using a Mo/W for pvp with 590 health that seems to vbe doing fairly well. I'm using her as "Decoy" and would have to say that the extra health is beneficial.

I don't see how a 105/55 Monk build could do so well in Pvp.

Which leads me to another point. I'll start a new thread on.

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10/25/05 15:02

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

i had a monk on my team that had all sup runes and a minus 50 health item and she said the lower your health the better how does that work i still dont understand that

10/25/05 16:54

Mann

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

Tasbur, there is a build out there called an invincimonk, and the the skill that makes you stay alive, is called Protective Spirit. That should lower damage down to 1.

Anyways. As of right now, I find there is no added bonus to your regular attack on a weapon. Just as long as you meet the requirements, you'll do the amount of damage as it would normally. The added attributes are for your personal preference . They don't add damage to normal attacks, but add it up to skills/spells/what not. And to one person, that may be a matter of winning or losing. To another, it may be the same, the other way around on about how much HP you have.

10/25/05 16:59

tasburfut

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

thx

10/25/05 17:02

Aku

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

Say your Orison of healing heals for 55 you life is 55 self healing is more effective.

I still think that the 55 Monk is only good for Pve.

Why?

Shatter Enchantment
Remove an enchantment from target foe. If an enchantment is removed, that foe takes 14-83 damage.

Pop 55 monk is dead.

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10/25/05 17:06

Mann

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

Yup, haven't met one 55 monk since August since people have been playing smart.

A 55 monk is made for solo farming. Especially at the Underworld.

10/25/05 17:08

Balthamos

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

Allow me to announce: Spellbreaker, Staff Wrapping of Enchanting, Blessed Aura. Forever Invincible PvP monk. Lets throw mantra of concentration in there too.

And yes.

Chilblains.

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10/26/05 02:08

Mann

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

Shatter Enchantment.

10/26/05 02:10

tmakinen

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

No, because of Spellbreaker first Chilblains, then Shatter Enchantment.

Edit: Well, if you can contrive a build where you can assure that some other chant always gets casted over Spellbreaker, then you'll have a true invincimonk that can only be brought down with a concentrated attack of a mob of necros (and then it's just a matter of time before ANet nerfs some aspect of the build).

Edit2: Now that I mentioned it, it seems conceivable to spam Reversal of Fortune over Spellbreaker which should be enough of a shield against Chilblains (if you can keep your energy up). Anyone cares to fill in the fine details? (I'm more into mugging monks than playing one :)

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10/26/05 02:33

Balthamos

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

A 55 monk is still vulnerable to degen. Bring on the ranger warrior. Apply Poison, Sever Artery. Die.

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10/26/05 03:25

Lord Mythrim

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

Personally I find that superior runes can make a lot of difference. with a superior rune you can get 1 attribute up to 16 making skills using that attribute, absolutly amazing. However, you can also use them just to provide you with a large amount of attribute points for spending elsewhere. The health burden is nothing when used with superior or major vigor. However, never use more than 1; a health penalty of -150+ is pretty bad.

10/26/05 03:45

tmakinen

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

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with a superior rune you can get 1 attribute up to 16 making skills using that attribute, absolutly amazing

And those bloody necros (pun intended) can get theirs up to 18 or occasionally even 19 (eles can do that with a glyph, too, but all things considering it's not really worth it). Now that's painful on the receiving end.

10/26/05 04:05

van_goghs_ear

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

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I still say it comes down to where you are in the pecking order. Certain classes can afford the loss of HP while others cannot, and certain builds require it to exist (not necessarily the loss in HP like the former invincimonk, but to get a skill to a certain level). Bottom line, success in PvP always comes down to what's on your skill bar, and how you work as a team, not how many HP you have.

10/26/05 18:07

Aku

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

Spellbreaker lasts for around 17 seconds and takes 45 to recharge.

That leaves 30 seconds open. Also whhile using spellbreaker on your skill bar you can't use Shield of Judgement which is needed to combat melee characters. Balthazar's aura you say? The 25 casting cost would hurt if your spamming heals on yourself. Once your out of E what then your 55 life will be over in two chops.

Spellbreaker.

Pop dead "invinci" monk.

Honestly I can't see the 55 monk doing well in pvp. I belive that the "Invinci" monk build is only good against melee.

I also belive that this build can only be played to it's full potential in Pve.

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10/26/05 18:14

Mann

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Re: Superior runes in Pvp?

The reason why Invincimonks will not work is because they are not a team player. Their goal is to have attention on themselves really. Only times an invincimonk would WIN is if you have players who weren't expecting one, not prepared, just have skills for dealing damage.

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10/26/05 18:24

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