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Red_Scout
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I've been visiting the Tanker part of the official forums and I keep seeing the reference to "Brutes." Now I'm not MMO suave as some of you and I was wondering what is it they are referencing to so I can understand what's going on.
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| 10/26/05 09:18 |
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BishopDon
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I believe this is an AT in the upcoming CoV. They are probably referring to this as the Brute has similar qualities as the tankers we know and love
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| 10/26/05 09:21 |
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Electro
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I would guess they are making references to the Brute AT in CoV. They are the closest thing to a tank in CoV, but they have their primaries and secondaries reversed (e.g. concentrate first on offense, then on defense).
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| 10/26/05 09:22 |
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Yep. The brute is sort of the COV counterpart of the Tanker. Only he has attacks as primary and defense as secondary powers. Like most COV types, it is more about aggression then teamwork and defense.
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| 10/26/05 09:25 |
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Admission: I don't know poo about CoV.
Question: Wouldn't a reversed Tanker (Offense/Defense) like the Brute be better compared to not the Tanker (Defense/Offense) but a Scrapper (Offense/Defense)? Barring of course any ridiculously large amounts of HP a Brute may have.
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| 10/26/05 10:06 |
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Mr_ElSalvador
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Brutes...ahhhh, where do I start with my beloved Brutes?
I Honestly don't know why the Tankers are talking about them. Brutes, in my opinion, are more suitable for people who are of a decidedly Blaster mindset.
Their job is to dish out damage (lot of it) non-stop. The only reason they have defense as a secondary is so they can continue to dish out damage. Among the Brute crowd, the term is SMASH!
To their ultimate purpose, Brutes have a third bar called Fury. Everytime they attack (hit or miss) or are attacked (hit or miss) they acquire Fury. This increases their damage considerably. Once your Fury nears 90% you can expect to nearly one-shot even con minions. Lieutenants will quake in their boots when you turn your attention to them. Bosses will give you wide breadth.
Brutes are in many ways the opposite of Tankers. They dish out damage, not take it. If you play a Brute like a Tanker, you will faceplant a lot.
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| 10/26/05 10:07 |
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Yeah from te little i've played with the brute it is more scrapper than tank (IMO). I think they may have a little more def than a scrapper but I agree they cant "tank" like a tank.
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| 10/26/05 11:20 |
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Well...With the lack of any other AT that can really stand and take damage...Plus, the addition that Brutes have Taunt as an available power...I'd say that Brutes are actually the Tankers of the CoV world. While their primary objective is to dish out a butt-ton of damage, they also have more defensive powers than the other ATs. Of course, you can't really compare the character types in CoH to the ones in CoV. The Devs were actually pretty good at forcing players to use more villainous techniques by creating ATs that hinge on less heroic styles. A great example is Scrapper vs. Stalker: Scrappers rush headlong into battle. They stand and fight even when faced with failure. Stalkers, on the other hand, sneak up behind their opponents and stab them in the back. They run from large groups and pick off the weaker opponents first. In my opinion, it's a stroke of genius. My thanks goes out to the Devs for making the game a bit more interesting.
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| 10/26/05 12:22 |
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| QUOTE | My thanks goes out to the Devs for making the game a bit more interesting.
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Just wanted to repeat that :)
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| 10/26/05 12:29 |
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Is it time to poke holes in Mals cup again. Man I thought I put enough in it last time.
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| 10/26/05 12:59 |
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Like I said before, guys, I love these games. I'm just very upset about ED. Unfortunately, I see the same thing ahead for CoV. I pre-ordered the game, and I plan to play it for a while, but I'm sure the Devs will do something to anger me.
Did I mention that I ran into 2 LTs (yellow) and a Boss (orange) last night with my Mastermind? I had 5 ninja henchmen (3 normal, 2 elite). The 2 elite were bubbled and invisible. Plus, I had Assault activated. The previously mentioned heroes schooled us. 2 to 1 with multiple buffs, and I got rocked. This does not a fun game make.
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| 10/26/05 13:59 |
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| QUOTE | | Did I mention that I ran into 2 LTs (yellow) and a Boss (orange) last night with my Mastermind? I had 5 ninja henchmen (3 normal, 2 elite). The 2 elite were bubbled and invisible. Plus, I had Assault activated. The previously mentioned heroes schooled us. 2 to 1 with multiple buffs, and I got rocked. This does not a fun game make. |
At the risk of getting smacked down, I politley offer that given the encounter you suggest, 2 Lts. and a Boss, I would have expected as much. Not that I wouldn't have run headlong into that same encounter myself with my Brute. Even though she is not a tanker. :)
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| 10/26/05 14:18 |
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| QUOTE | | At the risk of getting smacked down, I politley offer that given the encounter you suggest, 2 Lts. and a Boss, I would have expected as much. Not that I wouldn't have run headlong into that same encounter myself with my Brute. Even though she is not a tanker. :) |
Bubba, I don't know what game you're playing, but I'm talking about CoV. To say that a fully enhanced and buffed team of 5 minions and a Mastermind shouldn't be able to take down 2 LTs and a Boss is simply incorrect. If I can do the same thing with a single minion in the earlier stages of the game without enhancements and live, then the same should be true when my villain is supposedly better.
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| 10/26/05 15:21 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | At the risk of getting smacked down, I politley offer that given the encounter you suggest, 2 Lts. and a Boss, I would have expected as much. Not that I wouldn't have run headlong into that same encounter myself with my Brute. Even though she is not a tanker. :) |
Bubba, I don't know what game you're playing, but I'm talking about CoV. To say that a fully enhanced and buffed team of 5 minions and a Mastermind shouldn't be able to take down 2 LTs and a Boss is simply incorrect. If I can do the same thing with a single minion in the earlier stages of the game without enhancements and live, then the same should be true when my villain is supposedly better.
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Have you considered doing a quick dismiss of your minions and resummoning them via a quick key? Using this strategy, I find I win every time... even without the buffs... although I must say I do use the superior necro/dark miasma combination
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| 10/26/05 16:49 |
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its an AT in cov which is a mix of both melee AT in coh and its name sound like a evil version of tanker
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| 10/26/05 17:10 |
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| QUOTE | | its an AT in cov which is a mix of both melee AT in coh and its name sound like a evil version of tanker |
No, people like to imagine that Villains are Heroes with black hats: Brutes are tankers, stalkers are scrappers, dominators are controllers, corrupters are defenders, and MM's are blasters? but no. This is why the beta was so hard. Not only were we playing against people who "knew" their archetypes, but we didn't know ours as villains. I don't like it when people compare these; they aren't meant to be.
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| 12/18/05 14:52 |
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| QUOTE | | No, people like to imagine that Villains are Heroes with black hats: Brutes are tankers, stalkers are scrappers, dominators are controllers, corrupters are defenders, and MM's are blasters? but no. This is why the beta was so hard. Not only were we playing against people who "knew" their archetypes, but we didn't know ours as villains. I don't like it when people compare these; they aren't meant to be. |
Very true. the ATs were soort of meant to be played differently, Brutes and stalkers being two very different versions of scrapper (opposite ends of the spectrrum with scrappers as the fulcrum) Corruptors and defenders are extremely similar, MMs and Dominators also appear to me to be similar to Controllers (i know that MM's are original but they do bear some semblance to controllers for me- illusion control anyone?) Blasters can also be compared to corruptors the same way tanks can be compared to brutes. they have similar abilities, but one was made more teamworthy while the other was made more soloable. These two ATs are also perfect com;liments to eachother and can whip through three lvls in the twentys in under 4 hours. 2 man team, good by good guys.
Anyways, blasters and tanks get left being somewhat unigue to CoH (blaster are the only 100% damage base AT) (tanks are made to herd) and MMs and dominators are somewhat unique to CoV (doms being able to hold like mad and dish out the pain- another 100% damage based) (mms being a one-man army, the only thing similar is an illusion controler)
In conclusion, those of u who skipped reading my boring quote because i have a habit of rambling (u know it and i know it who are we kidding ourselves), No one AT in CoV can be compared to one AT in CoH. However, it would indeed be interesting to see 2 five-man teams (one with every AT heros, the other each AT villains) duke it out. If the tank could keep the brutes aggro, the brute could kill as fast as the tank could... tank. The corruptor will heal as much as the defender could damage, and damage as much as the defender could heal, MM would get held by the Controller who would be held by the dominator who would get in a dogfight by the blaster who was being covered by the scrapper looking out for the stalker. it could go on for a while folks... but it would be very entertaining.
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