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Eyefire

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The best way to make a Stalker

Heya guys, im new to the forum and CoH/CoV, i only had 1hour beta time, i didnt really get a chance to check out the options the Stalker have. I went Stalker / Magic
Then Claw / Ninjitsu.

Im in doubt about if this was the best way.
Can any of you guys give a advice?
Im looking to do the most dmg? Was thinking of Stalker / Natrual(or whatever it was)
Then Claw / Reg ?

Hope you guys can give some advice

10/29/05 21:04

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Re: The best way to make a Stalker

Welcome to Gameamp!!!! This is the place to be if you want to talk about villiany!

The stalker is a "sneak" and destroy archtype. Being hidden your first attack is devestating and causes massive damage. I would suggest slotting accy first to insure your first attack hits. The powers sets are set up nicely for the stalker and offers a wide range of diffrent concepts and combomations. Each powerset will have something diffrent to offer to you and your teammates. As you will see when starting out you have limited powers but overtime you will gain more powers and become more deadly as you gain levels.

I made a Claws/Ninja stalker and so far I am not dissapointed. I can not take a beating but most of the time they enemies are not standing long enought to hit me....

Well have fun and try out diffrent combos until you find something you like.....

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10/30/05 09:23

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Re: The best way to make a Stalker

I have a MA/Regen Stalker up to level 17 now so I can give some limited advice on the subject. The first thing I would say is I agree that the Stalker is all about being sneaky and stealthy. You get a huge bonus to you attacks if you set them off while hidden. The Assassin's Strike, a signature attack for all Stalker types, gets a 6X damage bonus if you do it while hidden, and all other attacks will give you an instant critical hit (2X damage). Once you attack, though, you become visible and the whole ballgame changes.

You mentioend that you are new to CoH/CoV, but for those that aren't, the temptation is there to build the Stalker in a similar manner to the Scrapper. This should not be done IMO - while you have many of the same attacks and defenses as a Scrapper, you just don't have the hit points that help your survival during a prolonged "fair" fight.

Whatever powerset you choose, check out some of the secondary effects some of your attacks give you. Some cause your target to be knocked back, others disorient or hold your target. These will assist you in getting away until your Hide power recharges and you can get back in with another AS or critical hit.

Anyway, just my 2 cents worth. I'm sure I'll have more 'wisdom' to impart as I progress up the level chain.

11/02/05 11:25

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Re: The best way to make a Stalker

Well folks, you need to learn the Jedi Trick, Placate. It seems you can put recharge times in this handy skill that gets a guy to quit beating on you, and invis you one shot. Hmmm, recharge times in that, recharges in assassins strike, a few accuracys, and a damage. I think you could solo a base, take Super Speed for extra invis bonus. Other then that, take into consideration you're hp are somewhat lacking...so the disorient specials as mentoned above will help in getting away if need be. Enhancement Diversification...bah, Why can't we have 6 slotted damage anymore? These guys would be sick killers..

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11/07/05 12:30

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Re: The best way to make a Stalker

I have a level 21 Ninja Blade/Ninjitsu stalker and I am pleased with Ninja Blade because it seems more powerful then the other stalker primaries and i can nearly 1 hit most LTs with build-up on.I cant take too much damage because i am almost all offense and i only have 2 defense powers other then Hide and they are a Resist status effects and a heal power and they keep me alive while my team kills the rest of the mob.I am mainly Hit and Run because of my lacking defense and also because I have Super Speed so I drop an LT or boss and run until i am hidden again then I do the same thing.This method has gotten me to level 21 so I hope it will do the same for you and whoever views this.

11/20/05 18:39

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Re: The best way to make a Stalker

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Bam! I love solo'ing with the Stalker and using the 1hit and run technique its done me up to lvl.15 and almos no problems. its also fun knowing that your standing in front of the boss w/ a katana and he wont see that going through him in a second.

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11/24/05 12:48

Chrisdredd14

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Re: The best way to make a Stalker

Well i love that also (i also love nearly 1 hitting them) but the last time i soloed with my stalker was when i was 16 so i have to try doing it again.

11/24/05 20:13

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Re: The best way to make a Stalker

Just to add, I have a lvl 27 stalker, claws/ninjitsu. He is FREAKIN AWESOME. He is not a scrapper, but he is sneaky as heck. As it was mentioned earlier, you want to ensure your to hit ratio by adding an accuracy enhancement as early as you can, especially in Assassin Strike and your other main Alpha strike to ensure maximum damage done. Now, to help your cause with this build, it's crucial to grab placate (makes u invis to a single target) and u can pull off another AS or hit a critical with another Alpha strike attack. Also with the Ninjitsu set, you get another placate type power, smoke screen. This will allow u to become invisible to a larger group (and run like hell if it's going bad...lol). But if it's going good, u can pull off another AS or critical without being interrupted by another attacker (only downfall to placate, it only effects one target, but the others can still hit you). My recommendation for the claw/ninjitsu build is getting focus and caltrops, these have saved me too many times. Put some range in focus and u can use it to pull mobs to you, then lay down caltrops and slow them down. I have been able to stand toe to toe with mobs of 5-6 using this combo, then using placate and doing AS or another critical attack. The mobs tend to run away, trying to get out of the caltrops, they actually leave you alone.

For a stalker, I feel that Claw/Ninjitsu combo is a very great combo to use. you have a good damage output, and even better defenses (especially the extra hide options). Face a boss, elite-boss or AV and pull off at least 2-3 attacks without being seen..very good to weaken them before they start pounding on you. Hide - AS, then Placate to get critical, then drop caltrops and wait for Hide and AS to recharge, then get another shot before they start attacking....damn good combo, making soloing very easy and making u a very valuable asset in team play as well. Droop caltrops to keep mobs off your other squishes is useful.

12/02/05 09:08

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Re: The best way to make a Stalker

the ninja secondary pwns. I am only lvl 10, but he aint lying. I have a MA/Nin stalker and he just pwns everthyinhg

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12/02/05 09:29

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Re: The best way to make a Stalker

Well first thing for making a stalker is get rid of any feelings of invincability as those will get you killed. I have an Energy/Energy stalker and I love it I just have problems trying to remeber that I am not a scrapper as I played one to 50 on CoH so it is a hardmindset to get out of.

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12/02/05 10:13

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Re: The best way to make a Stalker

yeah, after jumping into the first couple of mobs and ending up face down (or face up), you learn the suttle difference between scrapper and stalker.

12/02/05 10:46

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Re: The best way to make a Stalker

Gotta stress a few points here:

(1) Assassin's Blade and Placate ARE your best friends, no matter what powersets you pick.

(2) Hit and run tactics work best... never EVER be the one who starts a battle (let the Brute or the Mastermind's pets have that privilege).

I have played a Ninja Blade/Ninjitsu Stalker to level 21. I do have some of the defense secondary powers, even though I fully realize that I am not a Scrapper (still, I like balancing my defense and damage).

If you want to get into PvP (Player vs Player) contests, then the Energy secondary is a good one because it has the ability to resist the TELEPORT FOE power, which is a common tactic of those cowardly so-called "Heroes". *heh*

I have tried most of the Stalker Powersets and have not been disappointed in any of them. Figure out your style (defense, damage resistance, healing faster, etc.) and pick one that would work with your style...

12/07/05 00:20

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Re: The best way to make a Stalker

Adding onto what Warshadow said, I have the same set as him and I am getting out of the mindset of playing my brute.

I'm loving it, it is a whole different way of playing and you really have to get over the eating dirt a lot if you're on a team. I've managed to solo and duo very well so far, lets see what tomorrow brings when I team with him!

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12/07/05 01:07

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RE: The best way to make a Stalker

Yes, I do. For power pools, go for leaping, speed, fighting, and fitness.

12/23/05 12:11

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RE: The best way to make a Stalker

lvl 33 stalker blade/ninjitsu and my power pools are what makes me. I have both teleport and superspeed as my pool powers. This helps me on missions soloing and teaming alike. how? well... i'm glad i asked myself. ;)

1. defeat missions: turn on stealth and ss, run to the end, clear the room. ta-da! doing this with a team: turn on ss and stealth, find the last room, teleport friend(s), clear the room. ta-da!

2. kidnap missions: turn on stealth and ss, run and find the captive, kill his captors. turn off ss and stealth so the captive can see you. then turn on whirlwind and any defense powers u have (i am a ninjitsu stalker, so i have both ninja reflexes and danger sense). don't even turn on sprint or u could lose the captive. now jog to the end with whirlwind and the defense powers. oh ya, did i mention that using kuji-in sha (ninjitsu's healing power) in whirlwind mode does not stop you? oh ya, it doesnt! woot! oh i use to think whirlwind was useless, but i finally found a use for it.
With a team: do the same thing as soloing, but tp the team to the last room. now u can either 1. all run back together or 2. turn on whirlwind, run to the end with captive, and let the team gain some additional xp by fighting mobs while u escort the kidnapee. just gotta make sure the captive is following you, but so far from my experiece, they follow the team leader.

i hope this helps people.

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12/26/05 08:45

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Other main powers

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I was wandering what you thought about the other main powers like Ninja Blade, Martial Arts or Spines. I am new too and enjoy PvP and PvE. Does the Stalker make a good PvP and PvE charickter?
Can you give me an idea for a PvP, PvE Stalker?
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01/02/06 11:25

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RE: The best way to make a Stalker

Go spines for a PvP stalker.

I have been kicked 'silly' in PvP by spines scrappers when I take my brute to sirens call.

That nasty ranged hurling of spines cuts through you like a knife through butter.

Just remember, strike from range in PvP and keep moving, moving targets harder to hit with teleport foe.... I hate scrappers in PvP.... :)

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01/02/06 14:23

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RE: The best way to make a Stalker

The power you're searching for there is called Impale Fire. Specifically designed to stop a person in his tracks and ranged to boot.

Check out my guide in the guides section to see my little trick with Caltrops from the ninjitsu secondary

01/02/06 16:00

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Thanks

Thank you for the tip.

01/02/06 18:39

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RE: The best way to make a Stalker

and welcome to the site bud

01/02/06 19:10

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RE: The best way to make a Stalker

ok, ok. The more I play my stalker, the more things i find useful with the ninjitsu secondary. I used to think smoke flash was just for get aways.. but... i found another great use for it. Smoke flash does not make u hidden, but makes u invisible to those in the AoE range. So, you can enter a mob, asn strike one person, and then throw your smoke flash and continue fighting. The others WILL NOT sense you, even though you're fighting their buddies right beside them!

Also, my Golden Dragonfly attack from the ninja blade primary has gotten plenty of oooh's and ahhh's. Firstly, it can Crit even when you're visible (for some reason it won't crit when you actually are invis, at least not for me), and also it does have a chance of hitting mulitple foes. I've taken down a mob of 4 once, all with 1-hitters (build up, asn strike: 1 down, placate, soaring dragon: 2 down, crit golden dragon fly: 3 maybe 4 down = $$$$$$)

In conlusion, I am very satisfied with my ninja blade/ninjitsu stalker!

01/04/06 09:00

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RE: The best way to make a Stalker

Well I've been paying attention to these forums since I thought about getting CoV. And I recently got CoV about 2 or 3 weeks ago. My stalker is Claws / Ninj and just got lv 33. So here is my advice..

My spec is for PvP, yet still solo / team PvE comes easy to me.

From my 2ndary, I took:

1) Hide
2) Ninja Reflexes
3) DAnger Sense
4) Kiji-In Sha
5) Smoke Flash

Reason Why:

1) Duh
2) Melee Defense, 6 slot this to stand a better chance in taking hits
3) Ranged Defense, 6 slotting in the same aspect
4) A self heal, mine heals for about 200 now with the heal+
5) AoE Placate! .. Thats right. Able to get a few foes to stop atttacking you at once, nuff said.

So I will never trade off my 2ndary skill, no matter how many Super Reflex cookie cutters I see out there.

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My Primary, Claws, however...

The fact that I only do lethal damage really gets me goin. When your fighting the sky raiders who drop the force fields, you become pretty much useless. And our "catch" is AoE attacks? .. While Ninja Sword gets to lower enemy defense, MA gets a Acc boost, and spines lay down DoTs? Claws got the blunt end of that one.

The only way to make up the damage we lose is to spec your attacks with mostly Dmg. My combo looks something like this in a typical PvP fight...

Build Up + Assasin's Claw ( These two alone have 1 hit some heroes. But the typical lv 50 hero hanging out in Sirens call requires more.. ) + TP Foe ( This brings them back, as they were most likely bunny hoping around ) + Eviscerate.

At that point if a hero still has hp, I throw my smoke flash and bail. but typicaly those attacks do a total of about 900 damage.

Im rambling on now, so I'll bring this to a close! Claws / Ninj were my first choice, and will be my last. Anyone with questions about stalkers ... or interested in joining a fresh PvP guild on Freedom server .. throw me a tell! Ingame name is: Hazzar

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01/04/06 14:51

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RE: The best way to make a Stalker

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Ok i gotta say one thing here, more than once as a hero playing PVP it was the STALKER who used tp foe to get me as i either ran round dodgeing their attacks as a blaster or controller, i have to say that if your gonna knock "heroes" for that tactic then also add villains to that bunch as well.

Either way its a very cheap and lazy tactic which i'm sure they will nerf to hell at somepoint.

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Shockingmadness 28 elect/eng blaster
Boston black 43 katana/SR scrapper
Devilish heart 21 fire/dev blaster
Empire Soldier 22 emp/eng defender
Psychic Machine 14 mindC/shields controller
Sgt. Scream 22 sonic/dev blaster
Mrs. Yuck 21 spines/regen scrapper
Grey Stone 16 Stone/stone tank
General Watt 15 Elect/elect brute
Doctor Gears 16 Robot/bubble MM

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Officer Patch 22 archery/eng blaster

On Justice:

Undead Don 26 necro/darkmis mastermind
Agent Boston Black 18 katana/ninja stalker

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01/05/06 05:45

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RE: The best way to make a Stalker

nerf TP Foe? .. you already have to 6 slot it with Accuracy JUST to have a HOPE of getting it to work. I think its fine how it is. Its the only tool a stalker has to bring a ranged person close to them, give me a breka lol.

01/05/06 20:03

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RE: The best way to make a Stalker

Btw there is 1 thing noone has mentioned.If you plan on only getting SS DONT!This is because it is 1 of the worst travel powers for PvP zones and other zones with uneven terrain.SJ and Fly are good powers cause they are good for uneven terrain and Teleport is also good as a secondary travel power (i think) but uses too much end in my opinion as your primary travel power. Ok i have said my 2 cents and hope it helps a little.

01/07/06 08:38

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RE: The best way to make a Stalker

I have a Spine/ninju stalker.. he is up to lvl 12 now. I have some massive dmg on my impaler.. and i work great in teams. If you ask me Spine/ninju is a good beginner type stalker.

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01/07/06 11:41

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RE: The best way to make a Stalker

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Ok that is just for you..i have seen many stalkers having SS and they are the ones who kill the most and live... my lvl 22 stone/brute has SS he can kill great in PvP. Also SS will help a stalker solo a mission much faster if u just run through with hide and SS on.

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01/07/06 11:44

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RE: The best way to make a Stalker

Question, is Ninja blade EXACTLY the same as Katana from Heroes? skin/animations/relative power etc?

05/29/07 03:57

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RE: The best way to make a Stalker

From what i've gathered so far, yes. They are about the same, except for the Assassin Strike. I'm sure a power or two have been removed to fit in the AS and Placate, as Scrappers don't get either of these two. Not sure which ones are missing though. I haven't really played the NB that much to tell you right off the top of my head.

05/29/07 07:11

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RE: The best way to make a Stalker

katana has warriors challenge and lotus drop (aoe)

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