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Mann

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New Update - 11/10.

Update - Thursday, November 10

* Improved the character name and guild name entry dialogs.

* Improved AI so that henchmen and monsters can now detect and flee from area-effect damage spells.

* Improved AI so that monsters will eventually stop chasing fleeing players.

* Slightly reduced the power of the Doppelganger creature.

* Fixed a bug which could cause certain animated ground cover to not be animated.

* Fixed a bug which could cause two copies of Gwen to appear in pre-searing Ascalon.

* Fixed a bug with certain enemies not attacking players in the Gates of Kryta mission.

* Fixed an exploit which could allow players to create PvP characters with invalid armor. Thanks to Derek Ravenclaw for reporting this.

Feel free to discuss your opinions.

The only problem I have with this is the nerfing of the doppleganger.

Edit: I just thought about a few more reasons why I dislike this update. One is that it could dramatically increase the prices of items that are rare. OR it could go the other way, and dramatically decrease the items that people have bought for let us say... 100k, now can be worth 2k. Two, running just got much more easier.

Edit: I just noticed that this is a possibility of people who sell gold to make more money. But who knows for sure?

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Please. Do not let this discourage you guys. I know most of us spent time doing things opposite of what the update did, but this was to be expected. Well, nerfing the farming bit. But what this means is more of a chance for other professions to get up there. Most of the time, 3 out of 6 of the professions were shut out. Mesmers, Necros, Rangers. Now, we all have to be flexible as players to adapt and find ways.

Solo farming? This is still possible. But obviously, not even close as effective as it used to be. But this was to be expected. There were already so many farmers out there. I believe that Anet had to do this to keep other players from getting so far ahead of the new. Skill from skill, not how long you play.

Nuking? You now have to use other skills to compliment the ones you already use. ie. Ward Against Foes? Ice Prison? etc.

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11/10/05 20:41

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Re: New Update!

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Update - Thursday, November 10
* Fixed an exploit which could allow players to create PvP characters with invalid armor. Thanks to Derek Ravenclaw for reporting this.

The only problem I have with this is the nerfing of the doppleganger.

Can someone explain to me what the invalid armor thing was? And why did they "nerf" the Doppleganger? He was fun because he was challenging.

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11/10/05 20:44

Mann

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Re: New Update!

I don't know about that armor exploit. But I think it had to deal with a pvp character using another professions armor. Not so sure though.

As for the doppleganger, I don't know why. I feel that they had no reason too. Why I am against it? It makes people rush to Crystal Desert get up to level 20 asap.

11/10/05 20:48

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Re: New Update!

ok, so i was just trying to farm with symbol of wrath and balth aura, and with this new fleeing from area of effect damage, i couldn't get anything done. i spent most of the time chasing the drakes down. looks like im gonna have to find another way to farm

11/10/05 20:50

Kaeon P

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Re: New Update!

dude this is really bad the messed up the farming runs for griffns.

11/10/05 20:53

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Re: New Update!

I really don't farm griffins that often anymore but I just tried it to see if they finally nerfed it for good.

Yeah the griffins won't chase you to the ends of the earth anymore, so it's pretty impossible to round em all up. Not to mention the fact that they run in and out of your AoE skills, and sometimes you end up chasing them down. The're still killable, but I don't think anyone's gonna make 5 minute runs after the update.

I'm sure the UW solo monks are pretty frustrated too...

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11/10/05 20:58

Mitch

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Re: New Update!

I like the fact that anet hasnt given up on GW alrdy but this is starting 2 get far 2 annoying expecially when they decide 2 ruin my extreme entertainment as soloing the uw and i also used the griffs as quick cash for screwing around like the uw, anet needs 2 learn when there going 2 far.

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11/10/05 21:34

TarisDale

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The doppleganger was set up to test and as proof that the thinking mind of a human could out wit the programed reply of an npc but now is just another walkthrough.

If you got beat by your doppleganger it would mean you didnt use your skills to the best they could be, or work a set that only a thinking combo would work well.

As for the two Gwens, did anyone get a screenshot as we cant get one now :(

11/10/05 21:39

Atom

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I'm really not the person to complain about stuff like this, but here i go. I'm sure that a lot of the way to make money and have fun in this game is FARMING!. God i have fun doing it (well.. trying lol) but i think that this update went too far. I'm going to be contacting and complaining to arena net about this, i mean i'm really ticked off. Wow. I said i was ticked off. I have never used that phrase before. I guess the update really threw me off. But yeah, i tried farming and i used the usual Zealot's Fire, Balthazar's Aura and they ran away. Some people say that now it just takes longer, that you have to just keep following things down. For the first thing, i think that really changes the meaning of farming and that it's not farming so much as just normal hunting. The point of farming was that you got a huge group and killed it within a couple of minutes. Nerfing farming? Making it longer? I believe that now, there is no farming. None! Zilch!

Well i'm off to go complain on all the other websites about how much this furiates me. Please pose if ya feel the same way, i'm sure everyone needs to hear it.

11/10/05 21:42

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man, totally aggreed. Anet just gone WAY too far. OK. you nerfed the UW so peeps don't get astronomic amounts of money. BUT HEY WTF! yeah griffons was kinda big money, but still it was kinda ''hard'' to get there, and it was a reward to peeps who just did everything (ok I know it's impossible...) in this game and who just wanted to get some money, find rare items, make a perfect char, and all these things! why does FoW armor exists now??? it was created to give another challenge when you're done with almost everything but now it's just a dream! I mean, who can afford a sup absobtion, a sup vigor and all these things now??? (except peeps who did farm a lot and still got a lot of money)
That's just too much. and now peeps who got rare stuff are gonna sell it for CRAZY prices! is this better?
plz tell me Anet cuz I don't understand....

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11/10/05 21:50

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Re: New Update!

I was ticked off a lot also, ppl were RIOTING in augury! I mean thats bad. I agree with u dudes on that, WAY TOO FAR, I mean nerf protective bond, now they just nerf the whole solo builds, and NUKING, WOW, thats a step down from farmin. Nuking was so much fun. OMG. 2nd story better be good.

11/10/05 21:56

Atom

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dude... i am soo glad i'm not the only one who thinks that they went too far. now they just took away the fun. can't farm ANYTHING not even my precious lvl 3 hulking stone elementals (don't ask)

11/10/05 21:57

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This not only sucks for farming, but for regular missions and quests! You can't pull as well in order to reduce risk of death. Now you have to go charging in to kill anything. I was playing my ranger in Abaddon's Mouth, and we get to the point where Willa the Unpleasant and C____(the ranger boss) are, and we were forced to take on those two AND the 8 jade armors and 2 monks nearby! needless to say, we didn't have any success...

They have totally taken away the best use of longbows...

And the doppleganger, how sad... he used to be a fun test of your skills, now it's just too easy...

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11/10/05 22:09

Atom

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we are all here in augury rock, and i just realized one huge thing about this that we all overlooked -- there's no use for elementalists! alas, firestorm, meteor shower etc. that all use AOE! lava font, it's all nerfed. so yeah, elementalists are in their pain right now too....

11/10/05 22:12

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ALL my builds still work fine :)

Hmmmmm if this update lasts I might get rich off of golds o.O

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11/10/05 22:12

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Wow......Just....Wow. I cant believe they can mess a game up so badly in just one update.... The solo farming i can live with not being able to do that, But what they have done to the ele's is just ridiculous they have made a big mistake here. I can already feel my wow subscription inviting me to re subscribe....

Thought id edit and add the age old saying....

"If its not broke dont fix it"

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11/10/05 22:15

livingdeadgirl

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Re: New Update!

I hate this update, my favorite profession in all games I have playes is elementalist, fire magic. Now i'm pretty much totally useless. I tried playing, it's very boring... It's a good game, but thinking of quitting :(

11/10/05 22:16

Kain_Gibson

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Re: New Update!

Mephistopheles put it perfectly,

The Nerf on the Griffon farming does serious damage to those of us who have done it all and are trying to get that all too expensive armor, item, etc.

Of course, i tried griffon farming again tonight and its still possible and still one of the quickest ways to make money and good drops. Just forget Smiting them with Wrath and forget getting everything on the map in one place.

Even still im rather ticked off as regular farming like that was boring, getting 20 foes on you and knowing if you slipped up a little you were dead was fun and rewarding.

I have also heard that Ranger farming UW has become impossible. Some say use elite spike now to keep the battaxes from fleeinhg the traps, but I havent tried yet so i dunno.

Lastly I was wondering how the update would fair on my Ele in just the regular playing of the game. I mean AoE and Eles go hand in hand if the AI on the monsters allow them to freely move out of AoE then Eles may as well hang up their FireStaffs and stick to silly dancing (or sexy if a female :P )

Lowering the Doppler is just dumbing the game down, every class has a secret or 2 to beat him in a matter of seconds.
If you cant figure it out for yourself, ive heard there may be a forum or 2 out there with tips. :P

I think they need to quit trying to fix the economy in GW and if theyre going to make anything easier, make it ThunderHead Keep..or hers an Idea...Don't.

I had heard from several places that the farming was nerfed to prevent mass farming and gold selling on Ebay. I agree thats BS and I also think that it is the only way besides scamming to make money improperly. The way i see it though,
If you want to waste real money on fake game money, then by all means do so. Leave the rest of us our expensive builds that we fought hard and earned so that in our "Twilight" years of playing the game, we can do something fun and challenging to earn money quickly, so we can waste it on FoW Armor and other things that give us little or no advantage over anyone else.

My 2 cents, (soon all I be able to afford, hehe)

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11/10/05 22:21

chuiu

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And now Beetletun is full of whiney ass bitches who feel they have had a crime commited on them because the system that they thought they beat has now beaten them into the group. Grow up and learn how to NOT do things the cheap way.

By the way, this patch in no way affects the farming build I've been using.

Second by the way, there are skills that deal mucho damage to foes FLEEing.

Can I get a PC?
No! Buy your own damn personal computer, dammit!

11/10/05 22:23

NecroRebel

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I'm gonna disagree with all of you. Farming, especially farming in the desert outside Augury, has simply gotten out of hand. The only problem I have with "fixing" it is that now I can't test my theory about dye drops as well. AoE changes had absolutely no effect on my personal farming builds, it had no effect on my ele due to him being a spiker, and it had no effect on anything as far as I personally am concerned. The following script change will stop people from overfarming areas as much but will make running easier.

The biggest change this update will have is not on all you solo farmers. Unit tactics will change drastically, as will group mixes. Nukers will no longer be the be all and end all of elementalists. Fire elementalists will no longer be the only type out there simply because they will no longer work alone. I predict that air spikers will make a comeback since they are not hurt in the slightest by this update. But the biggest change that the update will cause is going to be to the almost unheard-of Water elementalist.

Want a nuker on your team to be effective? Sorry, you can't. Oh wait, yes you can! You just need a good Hydromancer! Everything a fire ele needs to work at the same levels as before is something to keep those enemies inside his AoE. Water hexes and slow spells will do that, as will crippling attacks that previously were ineffective outside of pvp.

Also, if you think about it, the AoE avoidance protocol will be EXTREMELY useful for monks. A monk that is getting attacked in melee simply needs to cast Symbol of Wrath and sit tight while all of those pesky axe wielders or whatever run straight away from the monk. Same goes for elementalists. A Lava Font will stop attacking melee enemies in their tracks.

Just in general, the update has changed everything about the game's tactics. What once was only useful or only effective in pvp will now become valid in pve because the largest difference in the strategies, the AoE avoidance or lack thereof, is now gone. But at the same time, nothing has changed. Players will still need to adapt to new environments and new skill sets just as they always did. Places will be found to farm and builds will be made to farm them. You simply have to think a little more rather than using the same old mindless griffon farming build that everyone and their brother knows about. This game is about thought, not mindless grinding, and a grind is what the griffons had become.

Now, initially I was like you all. Overall, I disliked the new update just because it is such a radical change. Simply modifying the AI caused a larger change in the game more than Sorrow's Furnace, the update that changed skill use displays, and the Halloween updates combined. But I thought it necessary to defend it, and in so doing I have convinced myself that it is a great addition to the game. I ask all of you to not simply consider the negative aspects of it but to consider the positives as well. There are more of the pluses than there are minuses to this.

Anyway, more than a little long-winded here, but I think I got my point across. By the way, since I can no longer really test my dye theory, can anyone tell me the answer? I hypothesized that Anet had taken the simpler route for determining the value of dyes when dropped and used the merchant value rather than trader value. Also, average values of items dropped will tend to fall when the area is farmed, so I thought to myself, "what would happen if the average item value in an area was pushed down to at or near 1? Would dyes drop and almost nothing else?" I was trying to figure this out for a while, but didn't have time before the update to push the average item value from grifs to less than 25 or so. I did get 3 silver dyes one night and 2 reds the next though... Oh well, anyone know if this works or not?

11/10/05 22:24

Mann

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Necro has it on.

11/10/05 22:26

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I keep reading people say how much they hate the update. they nerfed aoe too much, you cant heard anymore and killed farming.

I say bah to all of this, my primary is a w/m he started the game with a sword, but as time moved on i needed the area attack of cyclone axe to farm efficently, this drove me batty i LOVE swords i always have and always will. now that i have to hunt in smaller packs i can return to my first love, the sword.

AoE got a nerf, well it did i will agree, but now you have to use more tatics change up some skills try something differant.

i dont think the update hurt the PvE part of the game.
i dont think the update hurt the PvP part of the game.

so let me ask you this what exactly did it hurt?

11/10/05 22:29

livingdeadgirl

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Re: New Update!

ya things will get really rare to get... and prices will go crazy and the economy of the game will be messed up once again.... history repeating itself!

11/10/05 22:38

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Re: New Update!

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1) *Improved the character name and guild name entry dialogs.

2) * Improved AI so that henchmen and monsters can now detect and flee from area-effect damage spells.

3) * Improved AI so that monsters will eventually stop chasing fleeing players.

4) * Slightly reduced the power of the Doppelganger creature.

5) * Fixed a bug which could cause certain animated ground cover to not be animated.

6) * Fixed a bug which could cause two copies of Gwen to appear in pre-searing Ascalon.

7) * Fixed a bug with certain enemies not attacking players in the Gates of Kryta mission.

8) * Fixed an exploit which could allow players to create PvP characters with invalid armor. Thanks to Derek Ravenclaw for reporting this.

Taking this number by number

1) not entire sure how they "Improved" this, but ok
2) not a bad idea, but I think they went a little too far here. What they've done here is essentially destroyed the concept of solo-farming as MOST (not all) of solo-farming builds involve Area of effect damage. What I expect you'll see in farming now is small 2-3 man teams. For the henchmen - great idea, for the monsters, bad idea, but I needed a challenge in pve anyways so bring it on.
3) good idea - having a griffin chase you across the entire map and not give up when you're running at full tilt is annoying as hell.
4) VERY BAD IDEA - the doppleganger is supposed to be hard, or at least somewhat difficult. What's next - jacking down the difficulty on thunderhead keep?
5-8) no opinion here, just bug fixes.

Basically, only part of the update I object to is the extent to which enemies flee from AoE, and I think that with that, they just took it a bit too far. (Though, on the other side, that was probably the best way to nerf the excessive farming that was going on.

Haven't played much since the update, so I'll have to see the true extent of what happened.

But above all, remember that it is a game, and that part of the beauty of this game is that you're not LOCKED into a character build like you are in other mmorpgs. Fire eles can change into air spikers/geomancers/hydromancers. Experiment with this, I know I will be.

11/10/05 22:53

livingdeadgirl

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Re: New Update!

Some people took fire ele cuz they actually like it...

11/10/05 22:54

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THIS IS SO GAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just bought another copy of gw and now there makin this crap ez?? Wtf that is gay. why dont they just let u become lvl 20 with a bizioliona gold in the beignin og the game.

sorry for speelin

11/10/05 23:01

crazy_penguin

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and makin thunder head keep easier that is impossible you could have bunnys in that mission and the noobs will still die they will find a way.....like... fall of the cliff some how

11/10/05 23:05

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All of you people bitching about how the Ele is dead, well guess what, there are THREE other magic types availible to you. Wait, there are four magic types? Let's see there is Fire and.....uhhh...and Fire!! There are air and water spikers, earth which can go both spike and nuke a little. So why don't you all stop whinning and go think of something a little more imaginative than the omnipresent echonuker.

And about trapping, thats why you don't stack all of your traps, you put them out in rows so that if they run from one, they hit another.

All of you farmers have gotten complacent, now that you are forced to think once again about builds, you complain.

Finally, FoW armor is now an accomplishment not a 'Look I farmed for a week straight and now I can get my Fissure Armor.' Prices for items should drop because there will be less and less people who would be willing to pay exhorbent prices for things now that they know they wont be able to make it all back easily.

So stop whinning about how your Flavor of the last 2 Months build got nerfed and think of something better and more creative.

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11/10/05 23:08

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Re: New Update!

so im guessin you are a master of thinkin up builds??? And you a bizzilion gold? And btw fissure armor is a waiste of gold :-) and read this

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11/10/05 23:12

Mann

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Re: New Update!

Before I go out, I want you guys to read this.

This is one change, out of how many changes there has been. Guild Wars is still in the making. And this is only ONE night of the update, and hundreds of people in every district I have been to complain about it. I say wait it out, see what happens. If enough people strongly disagree about this, dicuss about it, make a discussion, make a petition.

This is change. We all have to adapt. Be flexible. And be patient. I strongly suggest that if you have your opinion on this update, please, state it and GIVE a REASON. But this is just night one of the update, and we shall see how things turn up.

Play nice. :) Have a good night.

11/10/05 23:12

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