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So far, i've managed to get up to level 12 without ever needing a group once. My brother got his up to 18 (before he stopped playing) and also didn't need to group. Mastermind, so far, seems to just not need groups.
Anybody out there that's reading a higher level that can put in some more input? As it is right now, I mught end up respeccing out my rez power, I don't need it if I never group, lol.
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| 11/20/05 15:53 |
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first welcome to the site.
I am not very high yet but most ATs solo well so I think lots of people have been going solo. also it gives you a chance to really check out all the content.
I will say that you should give teaming a try as it can be very fun.
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| 11/20/05 16:01 |
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Thanks for the welcome.
And I did try a couple teams, it seemed more like they got in my way then actually helping me. Not really sure why, but grouping in CoH seemed more fun than in CoV.
As for finding all the content, no offense, but that's a joke in CoV. You outlevel your contacts so easily that you HAVE to die and get debt in order to be able to keep them long enough. I love the stories and plots that i've been able to see so far, but I've missed more then half of Bocor because of hitting level 10 (or 11, I forget which). I can't say I remember that problem in CoH, I just got sent on gray missions :P
I won't even get a chance to see the third contact in Port Oakes :( Not sure why they made it so easy to outlevel them in this game.
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| 11/20/05 16:04 |
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Actually, teaming is normally what causes me to out-level contacts. I end up running other peoples' missions instead of concentrating on mine. After about an hour, my contacts refuse to talk to me. However, I do enjoy the interaction of teaming. If you find a good group of folks to play with (like the guys in the Asylum), it's fun to just babble during battles. If you prefer to concentrate on leveling, then going solo might be the best choice.
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| 11/20/05 16:58 |
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Thanks for the offer, but I do have an SG :)
And yea, grouping is why I think I outdid my last contact, so I've kinda given up on grouping for the moment.
I'm just trying to find out how far you can solo before it becomes neccessary to group. Tsoo tend to be pretty bad to solo against =/
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| 11/20/05 17:00 |
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Most of the site has mixed opinions on teaming. People like Ron don't like to team at all. Which is cool, because it can be a real hassle sometimes. I like the fun of interacting with other people. Sometimes grouping makes things easier. However, I've found that leveling can sometimes be quicker when you solo. Take NoGame for instance...as soon as he got Superspeed, he races to the end of missions and grabs bonuses faster than I can clear a floor of my level. By doing this, he gets more XP because its mostly bonus XP in the same time as my missions as just normal XP from defeating the baddies. Good strategy for the speed-leveler, but not my style. I like to show off my new powers. I love teaming. I team whenever I can, but yes, it can throw you off a bit, especially if the team doesn't do your missions. Then you outlevel the contacts and its a hassle.
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| 11/20/05 18:10 |
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I alter between grouping or not grouping regularly. I get on in the mornings for an hour before work and am the only one in my SG on, so I solo. In the afternoons I play an hour or two and almost always team with my SG.
I hit level 30 yesterday that way. I have been very successful and had a lot of fun both ways.
So yes, teaming can be fun with the right people. And No, you can do fine solo at least through level 30, probably beyond.
I have solo'd Elite Bosses just fine, but have always teamed for Heros & ArchVillains. Yesterday when I hit level 30 I was teaming with one other MM only, and we killed two different heroes in two different missions - with no deaths on our part (other than the minions, but they don't count). So two MM's can take out a hero (although it took a while).
Have fun - play the way you want. MM's can do it all.
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| 11/22/05 11:34 |
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I prefer to solo. It seams that when I team, more times than not, Someone always does something stupid and kills half the team. Or we are standing around looking at each other because someone needs to sell or train. Solo I can go at my speed. I can push on or take a break when I feel like it. Sometimes teaming is fun if you get a good team. It just seams that good teams are hard to come by in CoV. Don't know why, maybe it's because everyone is still learning their part in team play. The group missions seam way more chaotic than in CoH.
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| 11/22/05 11:46 |
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here's a question? When you're in a group and you notice noones taking lead on attacking and maybe you decide to start lending a hand w/ debuff and anchor placements does that make you bossy? If a groups leader won't lead, then why be in a group, and if you can't coordinate an attack why try to group?
Just solo if you think people are telling you what to do, although if you have the right group the XP rate will be phenominal.
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| 11/22/05 12:32 |
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I find both works for me. Thugs just dinged 18 and a lot of that is soloing, but I guess Masterminds can do it with the pets and as a brute, my defenses and attacks are just good enough to do solo missions.
Im not too fussed if I outlevel some contacts, sometimes I hear that I've missed out on a badge but with some teams and SGs the lower levels can always tag you down so you can do the missions.
The one big problem tho with soloing is that the infamy sucks. I barely have enough to get 4 or 5 DOs, et alone SOs when I level up so I've kept to the base training enhancements. Teaming might get you more XP but it also reaps in the infamy.
So far I've found one really great team leader, Leta, a stalker, and 'she' takes command right away and sets the team working. We've had one bad night on a bank raid when the team died 3 times trying to get out, we kept going back in to get out, but we then did two easy missions and all cleared our debt, thats the kind of leader 'she' is and I am always happy to accept an invite to team with 'her'.
Sometimes you get good ones sometimes you get bad ones, preference is on your style of play, if its too tough pull a team together. If you out level a contact you'll get more you dont have to do everything just remember, at the end of the day its having fun thats the important thing about the game.
Try bloody bay with a team and pound on some heroes - now thats EXTREME fun :o) I've got a little something planned for sunday, I have half my SG going to bloody bay for a hero slaughterfest. Thats going to be atleast 15 of us plus friends hehe should be a killer of a time.
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| 11/22/05 12:50 |
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The best thing is to get regular habits. My teams always include mostly the same people, the members of my SVG. We have learned each others habits, and compensate accordingly. There also tends to be a heirarchy of experience in leadership, so that we always know by default who will be leading based on the people assembled. We watch out for each other and help each other out.
It's difficult to find a group like that, granted. If you find one person like that, friend him/her and team with them as often as possible. Slowly start gathering a group of people and build up from the ground. Become friends with them, etc. In the end, while you can still solo just fine, you will find that more often than not you like to team even better.
One of the best keys is to look at how you play the game yourself when on a team. Do you always take charge? Do you tend to follow and support? Do you wander off on your own?
If you tend to wander off, either change your ways or stay with soloing.
If you lead, is it because you have a low opinion of everyone else? If so, you are bossy and will find it hard to be satisfied with a team. If you lead because the others tend to look to you for leadership, then you are doing fine. If you lead a lot, please remember to look at your teammates missions and mix up the story arcs - don't just do your own (unless you are lackeying or have solid reasons).
If you follow, it can be a good thing. However, a group of followers with no leader can end up being a group that does nothing worth doing. Support is much needed in teams, but be an active supporter, not a worm.
A team should function like a car (dumb analogy, but it kinda works). One person drives, but the rest of the party is what should be giving the momentum.
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| 11/22/05 13:01 |
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I enjoy both solo and teaming but nothing pisses me off more then a bad team. Everybody from the Inmates of Gameamp Asylum SVG are awesome players and great to team with but when I get with less experienced villains, it really shows.
One thing about teaming I've noticed recently is that without Tankers...who should lead the attack? Malicious_Intent is an awesome Brute because he knows to lead the attack and will always jump in first. Seems to me that when I get on those other teams even with a Brute on-board I always end up leading with my MasterMind. Bad idea with little to no defense.
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| 11/22/05 13:32 |
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Good point on leading the attacks. In our group, our leader is a brute. He calls out "Send in the minions!" and we masterminds do so. As our first shots go off, he runs in to aggro the rest. Why do it that way?
The Brute is a strong character, but is not a tanker. It is more of a scrapper when it comes to tanking. Too many opponents can bring the brute down pretty quick unless the aggro is shared. All of the other ATs are a bit squishy, so the next best thing is the MM's minions. By sending them into the fray with a 'Go To' command, they will fire seemingly at random instead of just at one opponent. This allows them to draw some of the aggro off of the Brute - enough that he can handle the Alpha Strike. After that start, everyone else jumps in.
Typically, we have one stalker in the mix, but Stalkers tend to be great one-on-one and will die quickly if they reveal themselves to a large crowd. They can not start the combat, but should be in position when it starts.
Corruptors will occasionally start the fight with a 'pull', but I have found this even less reliable in CoV than it was in CoH. It is a method we rarely use to start a fight.
The one aspect I can not account for just yet is the Dominator. We rarely have a dominator in our teams. Not out of group choice, just because of what we like to play.
So in answer to your question, a coordinated attack of Mastermind/Brute/Stalker is the best way to start a fight. Spread the aggro out.
Or just kill them so fast they can't hit you! ;-)
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| 11/22/05 13:47 |
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We have a pair of MMs in our SG who are brother and sister, they are older and retired and they play constantly. they are now 37 and have teamed with SG members about 6 times, not sure why they even bother being in an SG.
The thing about MMs is I have met a few people who played them well but many are like he 2 i mentioned and they set mish on easy and just send pets out, let em die and keep summoning and sending, think they slot for recharge lol.
With my Dom i usually put myself on seek may announce it and then solo some missions. if an invite comes i take it otherwise i drive on
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| 11/22/05 13:51 |
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I like both teaming and going solo, depending on my mood. I'll team with SVG members when possible, but the level range is getting wider and wider and it is getting harder to be on at the same time as other SVG members my level. I will also team randomly on occasion. I hate to be the team leader, though, mostly because I hate taking the time to do all the recruiting.
Solo is nice, too, because you can go at your own pace, at your own difficulty setting. It seems as though everytime I join a pick-up team there is always a bunch of standing around waiting for people. I'd say I solo about 70% of the time.
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| 11/22/05 14:03 |
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I made my MM to be a team player.. so I group pretty often. I log on and start soling with my LFG on for anything. If I get an invite I usually accept and just go with the flow..
although Im thinking of making a leader character and start to put together groups...
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| 11/23/05 13:58 |
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Teaming is the only way I ever can really do some pwning for some reason. .i dont really solo wit my corrupter cause i dont think I started him off right, so I will probabaly be re-doing his powers. . .I have done some soloing with my stalker, just becuse everything seems to be a bit easier with the hth. But grouping is pretty much the only way for me to play. That might change when I find the right corrupter combo.
The teams do pretty much suck on Pinnacle right now, cause of so many noobs. . I usually find myself leading after joining a team because everyone has that timid disease. . .I do not find good teams as often as I do with CoH.
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A good dominator will be able to cut down the damage the enemies can effect on teammates, because u can nullify or slow the attack rate of your adversaries to the point where they would be dead before they can do anything. . .although it is a heck of a job keeping them alive. If you can toughen up the dominator so he can take all of the aggro, while he throws holds, immob, sleeps, slows, n disorients then u have a real possibility of the rest of the team taking on the bad guys without getting a scratch. . .
I know after I activate my limit break I am able to destroy large groups of enemies, i am also capable of Holding Bossess to the point where they watch their entire group get slaughtered and they themselves defrost right before their final blow. . .lol
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| 11/23/05 17:54 |
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I had to come back and add something...
I've solo'd a lot of my missions since I like to play mostly late at night (usually between 10pm and 5am EST). As convinient as it is being a Mastermind and having "my own team," it gets pretty boring after a while. Especially in the later levels. My Robotics/Traps MM is up to 29 and man, is it boring solo'ing sometimes. There are times when I just crave being on a team. Like the other night...I solo'd for so long that I earned my "big mission" from Mickey the Filch 4 times. 4 TIMES! In one sitting. That's 12+ newspaper missions, and 4 "Rob the Chum Bucket" missions. All by myself. And man does it get repetitive...so its nice to team once in a while. But there's no badges for the Task Forces ("Strike Forces") as of yet, so that's one less reason to do them.
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| 11/24/05 02:53 |
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My first CoV toon was a Merc/FF. The 2 times I joined a group with him I died both times. Made it up to 22 solo minus those 2 setbacks. Started to get more nerve wracking because my henchmen started to die more often (missions set at Vicious). By the time I made 22 with that toon I got my GF's comp up and running to handle CoV.
In this duo we are running Dark/Bot and Trap/Bot. Both are set at vicious. Only thing that dies are usually the battle drones but who cares bout thoes. Every other bot seems to be untouched thru all the missions. I am lvl 30 now. Only thing is I need to respec a couple things. Finding 2 other people that won't get us killed is gonna be our challenge.
So from my experience anything over 3 members has ended in disaster. So I guess it comes down to play experience, group content, and if you even wanna group.
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| 11/27/05 10:44 |
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Welcome to the site, Steel!!! And congrats on making it up to 30....my MM is still heading towards 20.
I gotta say that with my MM, I kinda like the solo thing...I can go at my own pace, and using TP Foe along with my zombies is fairly unstoppable at times.
With my other toons, I like to team with my VG mates...it's good (evil?) to know that someone's got your back...
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| 11/28/05 17:53 |
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Thank you! Thank you! I am now a little under 2 bubble from leveling to 31 but I have put my MM on hold until my GFs MM catches up (Dark/Bot).
She is at lvl 21 atm and I rolled a Corrupter to duo with her (Fire/Rad). With her Tar Patch, Darkest night, Petrifing stare and my Radiation, and RoF atm it seems like they complement each other very well..With me being only lvl 7 it's tough as a lackey but when I get my higher lvl spells and all the slots I need I think this duo will work just as well if not better than the MM duo we have.
Yes I know this has nothing to do with the original post but I felt like babbling. Bottom line is still: Groups above 3 kill me!
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Welcome to the site steel...as i havent welcome you yet.
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Wow such warm welcomes!! Thanks All and Future thanks to future welcomes! :)
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What the hell is a group?
* Sarcasm off *
Seriously tho, me and Ron are like peas in a pod in that aspect, we both dont team. I dont know why he doesnt but personally I myself hate to in some small way have to depend on some other guy who i know nothing about. Once , I was on this mish with about 3 other dudes, cranked up difficulty so we were really on our toes. About halfway through, we were handling this really big group , and the blaster dies, being the party leader, he starts yelling faults here and there as if its our fault >_<, after awhile, we were on another big group , and the stinker just sat there and watched us get picked off one by one , then he quit.
Long story short, i dont have the best experience with teaming, its like a curse , and a gift. Cursewise, i dont mingle. Giftwise, ive learned to rely on myself, so im always up to solo.
Advice tho , teaming is great, but only as great as your party members, find some cool dudes who really know how to have a good time but still kick ass, and you're golden. Like what I did , hehheh. Someone out there will know what I mean :) * Heres lookin out to you my party member! *
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I do both myself. I actually have characters I play when I want to team and ones I play when I solo. The Skull Jester is one that I play mostly with my girlfriend and others on the SG I'm on, but when she's doing something else, I'll play Toxic Clown, who hit 21 and it was mostly playing alone. I only team when I have to, like the Shivan mission in Bloody Bay (can't destroy those cannons fast enough) and any time I face an AV or Hero. Elite bosses aren't a problem as I can soften with radiation debuffs + AM.
As for solo game content, I found a simple soultion when soloing. Do your mini-missions, get your heist then your contact and just follow through. If I'm too low, I'll complete a few more mini-missions unless I can go to a PvP zone. Those missions are great for exp, as they are so dangerous to get to (Damn you Shrink-Age and your freeze ray!)
Over time I have developed a distrust of PUGs (pick up groups) as often times you end up with the un-organized, the quiet or the just plain stupid. I also find the game is very unforgiving for bad groups, more so than CoH, but that could just be me.
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Sorry to hear that on the few times you have teamed up you have to bump into a worthless player. I hardly ever play solo. Too quiet for me. I love playing with SG or coalition members. I even love pickup teams. Sure, I get more debt than playing solo, but it is just fun to meet new players. I do know that the MM is the ideal AT to play solo. In fact have been posting that I think it is almost too powerful solo. And completely deadly in a duo-MM team. I have learned now that I can't play on relentless at lvl 28 with a big team. Which you can do solo or duo-MM'ed.
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Dont group very often at all with my main SS/Inv Brute Recon Ball over on Pinnacle. I think twice only. Up to level 28 now so i see no real reason to team. The two times I did were very good. Great cooperation, great leader. I imagine I might need some help at the higher levels but the Brute is just such a powerhouse with the Fury bar and Rage that I dont need to group just yet.
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| QUOTE | | Up to level 28 now so i see no real reason to team [...] I dont need to group just yet. |
I know this discussion has been around since the first MMORPGs became popular, and I know most answers as well, but your statement just made me post this.
Why are you paying $15 a month to play alone? You make it sound as if interacting with other players is a necessary evil. The only reason I am paying those $15 happily every month is because of other the players. Chatting and fighting side by side with friends is ultimate fun.
Edit: Now that I read it over it sounds way too harsh. I don't mean it that way. I know the frustrations of pickup teams. And even teaming with SG mates is not always perefct. The waiting for brb's and adjusting to different playing styles. I can understand all that. A friend of mine had once a beautiful saying:
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It was just that you made teaming sound so horrible.
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Ah now Phedre_D that is a whole nother ball of worms. I teamed a lot in COH and had a great time. But now I am COV all day, all night, all hours. I decided to take my main to the highest level possible solo, just to have the sense of accomplishment of having done so. My main is pretty evil and ruthless and truely is the villain he is created to be. He really just doesnt like anyone.
I have some secondary toons that I have no problem teaming with, but not my main.
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| 12/29/05 08:40 |
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Shiryou
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Rofl , the place where we all want to be alone together
In my case , its slightly different
Since im a villain , i like to regard everyone as worms , only seen but never spoken too , xD , of course , thats unless you can kick my butt <_>
To me , its the place where i want to be alone , BUT have the option of teaming up. Its not really so much that I should but that I can. Its the fact that the option is there that makes it fun :D , cuz i can ignore ten thousand party invites a day woohoo!!!
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| 12/29/05 16:16 |
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