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Serenity

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How to kill Mursaat Monk Boss?

Hey all, I am in Abaddon's Mouth, and I can't seem to get past Willa the Unpleasant, no matter how hard I try. Anyone have any ideas? This is a supermonk that is just too annoying. She only uses 3 skills and they recharge faster than they should. Orison also heals more than it should and she never seems to run out of enr..and is able to strip enchantments without using a spell or anything. Any feedback would be welcome.

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11/27/05 23:53

TalonWoJ

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Re: How to kill Mursaat Monk Boss?

Here are a few things to know about her:

She uses Aura of Faith (Divine favor Elite) This moves addes (at lvl 14 attribute) about 46% bonus to all healing. I capped this the other day it made my heal other go from 170 to 250 +67 from divine favor. This explains why she can heal herself so well. It lasts for 60(s) and recharges in 20(s). So yea she has a big advantage.

However, knowing that she is a caster you can select a team to stop her. Interrupts are VERY effective aganist casters. Try bringing a mesmer that has Mirgrain or arcane condrum. This will slow her casting by 100% or double. (They have different wording and mirgrain will also hurt her.) Then have a ranger or same mesmer interupt.

I have always been a big fan or using mesmer skills so ill also list some other good ones to help take this boss down.

Shame is a good way to interrupt and also sap energy from the boss.

Diversion will disable her OoH for almost a minute if you time it right.

Blackout can also be a good choice. (If she cant do moves how can she live)

Arcane Thievery is also useful since if can steal a skill from her.

Lastly good old backfire can add some nice damage if she manages so pull a fast one.

Mesmers also have a few good enchantment stripping moves to boot. It is funny how this class can destroy casters (and even an unprepared warrior/ranger) yet they seem like a last choice or if we must one only. I hope this helps. Good luck.

You scored as Monk. You are a Monk: You are an essential piece of any team, keeping the party alive and well-protected. You are always the first target for enemies, so be careful!

Monk

75%

Elementalist

65%

Mesmer

55%

Warrior

50%

Ranger

40%

Necromancer

15%

11/28/05 00:10

GW_Ranger

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Re: How to kill Mursaat Monk Boss?

The only problem with using hexes like Migrain and Arcane Conundrum is that all of the Murssat bosses seem to possess the innate ability known as Natural Resistance. All hexes and conditions last half as long as they should. If I remember right, there is usually a necro boss near Willa. Why not get someone to create a Well of the Profane using the necro's corpse? It strips all enchants and they can't recive any enchants either while in it. I personally am fond of inflicting the condition known as Dazed on my spell-casting foes. It causes their spells to take like 2x-3x longer to cast and they are easily interupted by non-spell attacks.

11/28/05 00:36

Mann

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Re: How to kill Mursaat Monk Boss?

Disrupts? Choking gas? No... those wouldn't help... not at all... ;) The above posts got it before I did. Any disrupts you can get, just one, welp help you greatly. Annoying those bosses are, aren't they? The time when I beat it, people thought that trying to do mass amount of damage would do it. 2nd time I did it, brought disrupting chop with me. :D

11/28/05 00:58

TalonWoJ

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Re: How to kill Mursaat Monk Boss?

Ahh forgot about Natural Resistance of the mursaat. A well of then profane would help slove the enchantment problem. Does the new AI move them out of wells as well now though?

You scored as Monk. You are a Monk: You are an essential piece of any team, keeping the party alive and well-protected. You are always the first target for enemies, so be careful!

Monk

75%

Elementalist

65%

Mesmer

55%

Warrior

50%

Ranger

40%

Necromancer

15%

11/28/05 06:28

Jamnog

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Re: How to kill Mursaat Monk Boss?

groundhog day

interupts mealstrom has been cruely nerfed but you will still have rangers with disrupting pets and disrupting attacks.
i can count 5 interupt skills on my ranger with a pet.
throw in a necro strip his enchantments reduce his healing by 30%. degen away his regen cast on him so the damage sticks.
if you have rotting flesh and life transfer she may be trying to cure herself (if she even has a cure)
its physical attacks that heal monks they have mark of prot? reversal or fortune.
edit : well this one heals so if everyone takes it in turns to interupt your bound to hit her once in a while ice spikes followed by mealstrom
or if your an echo nuker perhaps you can back he inro a corner with chos storm and mealstrom

add a mes shatter his enchantments both of the latter can drain his energy they put in bosses like this to show that its not all warriors and monks in this game.
use a team build, have a good read through skills and try them all before dissmising any of them. ive been surprised by the lamest looking skills.
there you go warriors disrupting axe chop savage sword thingy and that hammer knockdown.
infact show me a class that doesnt have an interupt and ill show you a monk who can have any secondary they want.
i know its hard to interupt her but if a team of 8 each has an interupt and two of them have good timing and 6 have some degree of luck,
she will not be able to cast as much.
some of the bosses heal from spells being cast on them but most of the healing minimises the attrition oh physical damage. sometimes warriors an axe attack that does less dmg can be better. edit : in this cace its not so use dwarfen battle stance as damage is less of an issue

ive said it before ill say it again
http://guildwars.gameamp.com/guildwars/skill
have a look at the monk skills and think about them he doesnt do much dmg but he lives on and on and on so degen him smite him hard interupt him steal his energy wipe out his enchantments (if he is casting more it will mean he is not healing himself)
warriors attack his back and his sides watch his skills (a nice newish feature) and look them up.
timing an interupt before he casts his spells is key to workout a pattern.
if you have two interupts he will wait for you to so use one then a second later use the other.
if you dont get him on either you have delayed his spell.
rangers use a half moon higher attack speed use favorable winds to get your interupts in sooner.

(edit : not with this monk but with other monks) if suddenly his health is going up and your not doing dmg stop hitting him for n seconds while that skill runs out.
use the time productivly to heal your self and curse your bad luck for not interupting that skill.
if your secondary has a spell use that while he is protected.
i may be wrong about allot of this but i can assure you the monk dies every time for me.
edit change post originally thaught up for mark of protection thats a shivers monk

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11/28/05 08:03

Serenity

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Re: How to kill Mursaat Monk Boss?

Well thank you all for responding. As for the advice..well see that is the problem. I am a disrupting Mesmer, and use all the above skills. The problem.. Well when i cast backfire she stops casting, and it only lasts half as long as it should. When i cast blackout same problem half the time. When i cast diversion it never seems to work because she casts orison right after it and again 2 sec's later. When i steal it with Arcane theivery she still casts it when it is supposed to be disabled.

So as you can see it is very annoying. I truly appreciate the advice tho. I just got done w/a full team trying to take care of Willa the Unpleasent and we cornered her, had nukers casting meteor,malestorm,and fire strom as well as me trying to use my disrupts. and for 30 minutes her health never dropped below 3/4. I tried energy zapping and again nothing. It's like she has an infinite supply. And as far as migrain goes it doesn't even last long enough on her to be able to get the 100% longer casting time to effectivly let other players disrupt her easily. So I guess I am just screwed..(laughing heartily). Well i shall keep at it. And again ty guys.

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11/28/05 08:08

einyalynn

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Re: How to kill Mursaat Monk Boss?

You don't need to kill all the bosses in Abaddon's Mouth. The first one's you can avoid by pulling the jade bows on the right and doing the attack, retreat dance when the bosses come to close. The bosses don't seem to care about the left ether seal and haven't ever moved to attack me when killing that one. After you kill both ether seals, you can run past the bosses and they don't follow you.

There is a back way around the bosses on the terraced area, but you need to cross a long lava pool to get to it. If you look at the world map you'll see what looks like a second entrance over to the west. Use that one and you can kill the regular Monk mob as he patrols and then pull the Jades away from the ether seal. Get up close to the ether seal and you can avoid aggroing the bosses. Again the bosses here don't seem to care about you killing that seal.

But...
Take a Ranger with Practiced Stance + Choking Gas with a Short Bow and someone carry Scourge Healing with a good amount of points in smiting. The Ranger can chain interrupt the Orisons though they may need to use bow attacks to retime shots. Scourge Healing negates a good chunk of each missed Orison as well.

The only reason I don't bring distracting shot against Monk bosses is because I swear their "natural resistance" overcomes the 20 second recharge time. I've had more consistency with choking gas stance and a short bow than with anything else. Could just be me though.

11/28/05 08:32

Serenity

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Re: How to kill Mursaat Monk Boss?

any ideas for a elementalist? A guildy and I have done all the missions with only us and hench. I really want to beat them all that way with this character. He is a necro...I have tried every combo I can think of. So far, air and earth work the best, but it still isn't good enough. Nothing lasts long enough to have an effect. This mission is enough to grind my teeth down. lol I understand you don't have to kill all the bosses, but she seems to always show up at the last spot. You can't bypass that one. Has anyone beaten her since the new a.i. took affect?

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12/04/05 21:26

GW_Ranger

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Re: How to kill Mursaat Monk Boss?

Distracting Shot might not be the best due to Natural Resistance. I had the same problem when fighting Worth Yakslapper with 3 henchies, he seemed to have infinite energy, so I gave up and went back to Warcamp. Vowing to kill that stupid dwarf with 3 henchies, I equipped Debilitating Shot(drains 10 energy on hit). After shooting Yakslapper up with that and and distracts with my Zealous short bow for 15 minutes, he could barely manage to cast Orison of Healing and even that was infrequent.

Hidden messege in this story: If you can't interupt their healing, remove their means of healing: energy.
Go with things that drain energy no matter what. The Inspiration line of magic is very good for energy theft in that most of the skills simply steal energy without having to interupt anything.
You could Arcane Echo the elite skill Energy Drain and with 15-16 in Inspiration it will steal 20 energy. You Arcane Echo that and you steal 40 energy(ouch!!)

12/04/05 22:06

Jamnog

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Re: How to kill Mursaat Monk Boss?

QUOTE

a necro ahh spitefull spirit, spinal shivers, mark of subversion, desecrate enchantments, shame you cant have wither but malaise might help... how about defile flesh and dropping rotting flesh on her once in a while.
as for ele i havent tried it since the nerf, but ive noticed that they dont realise for a couple of seonds that they are in an aoe. try water skills. try spells that slows as well as doing a fair bit of damage. one of hit spells like metior ice spikes and spells that target her and not an aria. and get the full team constantly beating the crap out of her. persistance is the key.

12/04/05 22:06

Balthamos

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Re: How to kill Mursaat Monk Boss?

Mind freeze --> Archane Echo --> Maelstrom --> more Maelstrom

90% slow down, ha, it is a shame it wont last long.

How about Spiteful Spirit, Scourge Healing, backfire will just stop her casting. Defile Flesh, Rotting Flesh, Conjur Phantism, Suffering, Life Siphon, Faintheartedness. I think we may just have enough degen here.

There must be more, but yes, I sympathise with you.

Edgwalkers is coming.

12/06/05 11:32

Lady Lozza

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Re: How to kill Mursaat Monk Boss?

All you need is one well placed interupt and a team which can get close enough to lock her in a corner. I had a group going at this for 30 minutes when finally we got lucky with a well timed meteor disrupting Aura of Faith. Aura gone for just 20seconds was enough to take her out.

12/07/05 03:25

Akirai Annuvil

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Re: How to kill Mursaat Monk Boss?

a nedro might help using Defile Flesh, Lingering Curse (elite), and malign intervention. Dfile Flesh lowers healing by 33%, lingering Curse by 50 and Malign intervention by 20, so that means it heals for 15% of the normal amount, combined with Smiting Prayes Scourge Healing (dealing 60 damage per heal) should be enough to nearly negate the healing... very nrg intensive though, toatal nrg cost is like 50 nrg or something. lingering Curse costs 25e, and she wont have any enchantments by the way (thanks to lingering curse).
Also if the problem is resistance couldn't you just use life stealing skills? I mean Vampiric gaze + Touch deal 100 dam per 2 sec or something, heal you, and you can combine it with soul leech (elite) to let her deal 80 dam to her self every time she tries to heal herself. And adding vile touch for another 65 dam. you could swap the soul leech for OoB if youve got nrg problems...

If you combine either of these strategies with degen, she shoudl go down after not all that long.
Maybe a Ranger/Mesmer switching between concushion shot, migraine and Arcane Conundrum would work too, that's mean 100% or even 300% longer spelcasting, combined woth a few distracting shots or diversions should work.
In short ranger/necros/mesmers/other often ignored classes suddenly are useful! :P

12/09/05 11:13

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