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ForbiddenX

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Leaked Alpha Screens?

i was browsing through the gamefaqs message boards for guildwars and saw this

Someone in Tombs was posting these pictures, they look pretty real to be faked...

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11/28/05 18:11

einyalynn

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

well if they are faked, A+ for effort.

if not, I think I'll spend a few moments in the coming months leveling fluffy to 20...

11/28/05 18:18

Aidan_Adelbern

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

you can tell the purple items are fake (or at least they appear to be) befcause of the letter font used in the description.

but the screens look preety real to me. and i like them!

11/28/05 18:26

TarisDale

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

Well if they have added Target Priority and the option to ditch party screen it would be good.

As for fake or real I will just say they look good and if fakes we should have a fake comp to see who can make the best/funny fakes.

11/28/05 18:30

Jamnog

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

that looks like they resized could explain the lettering. im open minded as to if they are fake or not the font could be slightly different in the update.
or they could have a different font in the pack file if its an update they might have changed the look of guildwars a bit.

11/28/05 18:37

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

Neither of those poses seems to be part of the 'standard' Ranger movements. And faking poses is quite challenging.
So they might be authentic, if so they've probably been very carefully leaked. Both ArenaNet an NCSoft are very good fiddlers when it comes to making the community dance to their tunes through pre-release :-)

Two other details of note:

Priority Targetting?
Sounds interesting.

Looks like Dual Wielding won't be exclusive to the Assasin Primary class.

Final thought:
I'm having mixed feelings about those whips. They're likely to be Beast Mastery weapons, and using whips in conjunction with Pets feels wrong somehow.

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11/28/05 18:53

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

Assuming these are real and not a masterfully done forgery, I think A-Net will be a tad pissed at whoever leaked these. Don't most people who test closed Alpha and Beta tests have to sign confidentiality agreements?

Lol, I was writing mine when you posted yours Lani. Yours does sound like something A-Net might do. But yes, using a pet with something like a whip does seem wrong. Your pet is supposed to be your 'faithful animal companion'.

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11/28/05 18:55

DexAholic

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

Yeah, they look pretty good. There's a bit of pixelation around the lettering, but that could be the result of text AA + some dithering as a result of post-processing. The text on the weapon descriptions does look a bit off, but Lani is right in saying that the poses would be hard to create. The second pic looks like it could be part of the female ranger casting animation, but probably not.

Still, I've seen some really darn good Photoshop jobs in my day, so I'm not ruling out fakery.

I don't see a problem with whips being a Beast Mastery weapon so long as you don't directly use the whip on your pet. I mean, it's not like Rangers have a Dominatrix attribute (although I could possibly be convinced to allow that blonde ranger to whip me...)

=P

11/28/05 19:03

Peter_Whatshername

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

I coulda sworn the frog said something about whips being cruel, thus out of the question.

The icons look kinda nice, but there are plenty of nice artists out there. The poses could also be emotes, i'm not entirely sure about all the emotes for girls exactly, so I can't be certain.

i have seen some rather amazing photoshop jobs in my travles, so I wouldn't be able surprised to see this as hoax...

of course, I must also mention that my little Oink has been lvl 20 for a while, and i wouldn't mind having a new toy to play with. whips may be cruel, but what else would a beastmastery weapon be, a dog whistle?

EDIT: If these are real, I expect to see plenty more rangers running around...then they are gonna nerf me...no anet! stop the whips!!!!

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11/28/05 19:07

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

the emote part is outy of question because she has the chat being shown, so that wouldn't give her many time to take the screen be4 the emote ended.

11/28/05 19:12

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

On reflection, the second pose might be part of the "No" emote.
Only thing I can think of thet involves crossed arms. The first pose is naggingly familiar, but I can't place it.

As to the AA on the text. It's there in some screenshots taken for trading as well, seems a bit stronger though. Video-card differences? Might also be a Chapter 2 addition, making it more readable or some such? There have been complaints about snowy area's and being able to read chat for example :-)

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11/28/05 19:14

Peter_Whatshername

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

oh, if your gonna photoshop the whips in, i'm sure you could photoshop the chat out. I'm pretty sure that if you gave me a day to work at it, i could probably get similar results using Microsoft paint. Just a matter of patience and taking multiple screensots at the same exact angle so you can cut copy paste a clear background over the stuff you want to hide

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11/28/05 19:15

Aidan_Adelbern

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

mmmm... yes, you do have a point there peter. i could've made those too if i wanted, like you said. but why would he go through the whole work of doing the icons for the weapons and the skills? why would he bother to do so?

11/28/05 19:19

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

Another thing: does the Snare skill strike you as being a tad over-powered? 5 energy, 1 ct, and 10-sec cooldown? Seeing as how it's disabling all of the target foe's skills for 8 seconds you could almost completely shut someone down with one skill...sounds suspicious to me...

Yeah, the more I look at these and think about it the more I'm leaning toward thinking that they're really good fakes.

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11/28/05 19:21

Aidan_Adelbern

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

maybe to give some more power to the ranger seeing as the current weapons and skills are almost useless for some ppl. although i rather like using the archer build i made. still to put it here along with some screens i have.

Darn pc of mine

11/28/05 19:25

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

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Why do people make any hoax? They get to come out and say "look at this cool thing i found" noone knows that its not real, and the person enjoys it all the more.

i'm going to see how close i can get to this...

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11/28/05 19:28

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

If this is real, then I'm gonna go get into a cryo tube and skip the waiting for Chapter 2. Man, whips would be so cool. And about about whips being too cruel, who said it was gonna be used against the pets?

The whips also look like they would be a cool AoE damage when used with skills.

Low Whip
Dual whips spin around the player, knocking all enemies within range to the ground for 1-5 seconds.

Whip Face
Whips strike out and hit target foe on the head, resulting in a dazed state that lasts 5-10 seconds. If that foe is casting a spell, then target is knocked down.

The only iffy things that come to mind is that first screenshot looks like a ranger with a wand or something. And the lettering and graphic quality is also kinda throwing me off.

The two spells are just suggestions. Not things I've found.

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11/28/05 19:29

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

The second Screenie looks like the begining part of the /drums command. The first screenie might be a photoshopped mod to the female ranger dance.

And speaking of overpowered skills, what about that Whip Tornado skill or whatever its called. Hit 3 foes with it for +12 and then +9 per whip + dual wield and then each whip does its own 16-30 dmg. Talk about overpowered, thats probably over 60 dmg dealt right there to 3 foes.

11/28/05 19:30

Aidan_Adelbern

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

the dual weilding will be assassin only (like expertise as we first thought), maybe....

the whip tornado skill is a cyclone axe ripoff. and the other ones were made up.

(i'm going to laugh so loud if i find out this is true)

11/28/05 19:37

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

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Yeah, I might believe it if it was 15 energy and 20-45 sec cooldown time. I can understand ANet giving rangers more damage output potential, but 10 energy and 10-sec cooldown doesn't sound right.

11/28/05 19:37

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

I think they're probably a skilled forgery, though I may be wrong. This may be explainable by being alpha arts, but neither the whip attack icons nor the whips themselves look quite real as far as GW icons and weapons go. I also think that all of those skills are a tad overpowered. I shiver to think of 2-3 Ranger Beastmasters in pvp just spamming Snare on a single person, pulling them back and forth between them, and the spinning attack also just seems a bit too odd. Besides, whips are awkward in truly close combat; they're most effective at about half to three-quarters the whip's total length.

IMHO the damage (probably 16-30 is what the artist is claiming is max for whips) is too high. Whips are painful, but they don't really HURT as such, which is why they are more of a torture tool than a weapon... Again, this stuff is all just too unlike Anet to be real.

Besides that, NCSoft would castrate whoever leaked it if it was real -_^

Edit: I also seriously doubt the "items" there. The Bull Whip, except for the damage level, is believable, but I can't imagine Anet making either an "Ivory Whip" nor a "Pain" mod that causes Bleeding. I would expect whips to be called Bull Whips, Cat-O'-Nine-Tails, Mule Whip, and other things like that. "Ivory Whip" just doesn't make sense to me. And an item mod that causes a Condition pretty much would make a skill subset obsolete because no one would want to use a skill that their weapon could duplicate normally. Furthermore, the thing doesn't say how long the Bleeding lasts. So, again I say FAKE!

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11/28/05 19:38

Aidan_Adelbern

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

and the icons look like they were made on MsPaint.

11/28/05 19:39

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

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Well lets see how silly a hoax we can make, the more silly the beta, oops I mean better :)

11/28/05 19:42

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

I'm a hard core skeptic, and just looking at the pictures I can see a few things are a fake.

First the fonts are all wrong not to mention font sizes.

Secondly, if you look at the "screens" youll see that the supposed "new" skills are rather undetailed to the point of pixilation. There is absolutely no depth to the icons whatsoever.

The whips can be made with a photoeditor, say with an adobe photo program. Even the Frog claimed whips are to cruel to be used as said up above.

If you look at the damage font, its all wrong in both "screen caps". Also look at the height different between the two dwarves in the second "screen", if you look closely enough you'll see that the distance from the head of the first dwarf does not match the distance from the head of the second dwarf to the damage dealt to it. If this was a double hit or adjacent hit the numbers should be rising at relatively the same speed therefore the same distance above each dwarven head.

Now look at the second screen. Maybe I've lost my mind but if your in their aggro circle don't they run at you? I mean they run at me as soon as they TOUCH my aggro circle. Not to mention shes dealing dmg but they're not even flinching, theyre just kinda "oh yeah, im walking ladedadedoo". I just thought I'd point that out, i found that slightly odd.

Now you may say "Well in the first screen, she's attacking and he is flinching so there MUST be a whip there hitting" I say not true for 3 reasons. Firstly thios person is hiding the party window, easy to do press "p" and bam no party to be seen. Secondly, with the party window gone there could very well be an actual archer behind them shooting an arrow at that dwarf making him flinch. And i forgot my third one, but point made, ya know? =P

And just off hand, aren't they in the exact same area? isnt that bird in the wrong place no matter what order you put the pictures in if we take into account who attacked what first and what got aggroed first and second? I dunnno, that might just be me.

In anycase when I see an actual video released depicting such a use of skills and weapons THEN just MAYBE I'll believe what I see.

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11/28/05 19:46

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

In the weapons grouping toolbar, has anyone else ever seen a weapon overlap the border? For some reson I keep thinking that the weapon and/or shield is resized to fit inside the border.

11/28/05 19:49

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

I don't care!!!!! I WANT THAT! :D Whips = my favorite weapon of choice. Other than staves.

1. I use both in real life. No, I'm not into any form of S&M or BDSM. Ugh. That's horrible!

2. Using a melee weapon for.. long range!

3. Hell, they should be just harder to block/parry.

4. It'd make PvP a bit more interesting.

I could go on.

Fake? Hm... shall see.

Edit: So far just found a lot of concepts. So who knows for now?

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11/28/05 19:50

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

All good points. Between all that's been said here on top of the rather clumsy (and not ANet-like) wording of the skill descriptions I'm going to have to officially cast my vote for 'fake'.

After taking time to reflect on it I'd be really surprised if these turn out to be real.

(Sorry, Mann!) ;-P

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11/28/05 19:51

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

Whips...hehe....seems a lil kinky to me.

11/28/05 20:01

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

well, I said I was going to make a fake, but guess what, I found another leaked screen, it turns out that they are adding a new pet, BATS..unfortunatly you have to keep it on a leash.

jk, obviously you can see this is fake, I did it on MS Paint, spent perhaps a half hour/an hour on it. My biggest problem was the shadow, but if i had spent more time and used a real photo editor, I am sure I could have made that look real good.

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11/28/05 20:07

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Re: Leaked Alpha Screens?

I would say that in the second "screenshot," the closest Dwarves are Crippled, which is why they appear to be walking. However, the author clearly claims to be doing this solo, since you can see that only the pet and that one Ranger are in the area from the radar. Unless I'm sorely mistaken and that elite does make the pet Cripple from a range, this simply wouldn't be possible because the char has no Crippling attacks.

The first pic I think had a bow there that was edited out and replaced with a whip, which is why no one really recognized it and why the Dwarf is flinching. He just got shot by an arrow from the bow that was just fired. Since all of us are used to seeing that pose ONLY when the character is holding a bow, we don't recognize it.

On top of that, none of the ranger's hands actually seem to be holding the whip. The whips seem to just be springing from them without a handle or anything like that.

Also, doesn't it seem odd that the text in the "enemy priority" box is yellow? Normally, yellow text only appears on something that is targeted with all other text on party boxes and target boxes being white. I doubt Anet would decide to change this convention around. This suggests to me that someone took a screenie where they had targeted a Carver, took another where they had targeted a Ranger, took a third where they targeted a Gnasher, and took a fourth where they had a party of 3 with no pets, then did some creative cutting and pasting.

They're nice fakes and brought out some nice conversation, but they're still just fakes. Looks like some GW player had too much time on their hands. Actually, the fakes aren't even entirely high-quality if an amatuer like myself can spot them as such. Oh well, it was a good try on the artist's part.

11/28/05 20:19

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