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K_os

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do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

just what is your opinion about this exactly?

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12/01/05 15:41

Star_Gazer

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

I personally would never do it...but hate is such a harsh word....yes its lame, I work hard for my money [in an office setting], but I would never be that irresponsible to spend money for gold. Thats just me.

12/01/05 15:42

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

I assume you mean: Do we hate the horrible people that use real money to buy things in GW, thus ruining the game for some and encouraging gold farming sweatshops?

no, we love them

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12/01/05 15:43

cswella

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

Yeah, they are bad, but kinda stupid too.

The truly bad people are the ones who take GW gold and sell it for real money.

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12/01/05 15:44

Loki_Tine

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

I just hate it bc its lazy....why in the hell do you wanna be lazy in a video game? Just baffles me, why the hell do you buy it? So you can cheat and take away value? All you have to to do is save, and sometimes wheel and deal, its not hard at all.

12/01/05 15:44

K_os

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

example:

A Doctor spend most of his life at work(they really do work to much) and he plays GW on his spare time. he loves the game but doesnt have enough time to spend hours on farming to collect the special items he is looking for. so would it really be a crime if he went out and bought these things so he could still have fun doing little things and not having to worry that he is gonna die every 2 min?

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12/01/05 15:51

Loki_Tine

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

in-game gold no itd be fine but using real money to buy items and/or gw money, is just stupid IMO. You figure a doctor be doing something cooler then wasting his hard earned money on things that dont exist in real life :).

12/01/05 15:54

K_os

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

lol...

u would think, but u'd be suprised.

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12/01/05 15:58

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

Im with whats been posted so far, surely the idea of a game is the fun of achievement? Part of that being getting your own gold from drops and farming. I do worry about how the GW gold is created and then sold - are there tonnes of poorly paid exploited people farming for hours?

Im guessing that most is gained from Bots auto farming districts which will have the impact of the area being nerfed by Anet, ruining any chance of good drops for the rest of us.

People who buy the gold are probably less bothered about achievement and probably more in to bragging about their in-game items, their own guild hall, 15k armour etc, probably the same people who have no idea what team play is.

My monks 15k armor came from a lucky drop of a superior rune of absorption - there was definately more joy in that then there would have been from spending real money on game money.

Great thing about the gameamp community is that most are interested in gaining skills in the game and achieveing things off their own back and sharing ideas-which to me is what the game is about Co-operation.

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12/01/05 16:04

DwarvenKing

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

buying GW gold for real money is really nubish and lame.
i mean why play a game if all u want is nice looking armor and some stuff,like weapons or runes?i totally agree that playing should be about fun and achievement aswell.it's like u buy the game,spend say 40 euro,then u buy the gold for another..whateva 20 euro,then u pay runner to get u to drok(or citadell/grotto)
so u can walk around in shiny looking armor that actually cost u 60 euro and u have no idea n how to play the game,or what actually the game is about.
and it ruins other players gameplay aswell,coz as mentioned ANet is nerfing skills and prolly godly-drops areas so shitty bots can't farm gold and stuff...
god damn all "e-bay gamers"

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12/01/05 16:20

Hammerite Rozsda

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

i say it is fine to buy gold on real money...just dont fall into extremes, this game requires very little gold to have fun playing it.
people who spend over 100 bucks on online game goods are crazy...play for a challange!

12/01/05 16:24

K_os

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

thank u guys... i was tginking about buying gold to get stuff, but i think it was evel geek that said something that really got to me. about findin some rune of obsorbtion and selling that. yeah now i toptally agree with you guys, it makes it a whole more funner. fun in a way you cant buy with money.

thank you all and special thanks to you geek.

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12/01/05 16:30

Jamnog

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

sweat shops sure most of them are getting the gold by making people in the third world farm for gold 18 hours a day its true.

its got nothing to do with the sigils they hand out to the people who win hoh and keep favor for incredibly long periods of time.
no its not those solo farmers who used to go into uw and pick up 10 ecto in a 4 hour run (or used to).
no its all done in sweat shops they use koala bears and whip them when they answer back.
im wearing a cheap pair of trainers.
its arena nets perogative to ban anyones account at any time they like depending on the rules they make up and change when they want to you clicked "i agree".
who cares where they get the gold its been decided that its cheating and its in the rules somewhere (so im told).
doesnt bother me one way or the other anything that can be baught can be found (so im told).
i dont think arena net are wrong for trying to keep the game ballanced.
i dont think the sweatshop owners are evil tyrants for doing what ever they can to get real money. if i lived in the third world i would want to exploit people to make money. heck im in the first world and i want to exploit people to make money.
i dont think its wrong for some one to spend money on gold because someone wants to save themselves the effort of farming.
its all irrelivant dont worry about what other people have dont have.
i havent read the terms of service who does?
im told they stop your account for using exploits.
i do wonder where they draw the line when it comes to exploits.
but most importantly of all even if i did care it wouldnt make the tinyest bit of difference

*opens bottle of gin*

bah who am i trying to kid im jelouse i want to buy gold on ebay but im too scared of loosing an account that cost me 30 quid and is taking up all my spare time.

12/01/05 16:33

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

I really can't figure out why some people want to use their hard earned real life money on something so stupid as a in game currency. I must say, i don't "hate" the people who are selling the GW-money for real money, but hate the people who are buying it, they are the ones keeping the business up and running.

why do anyone really need it, it's so easy to farm low level monsters, that everyone could do so, i've spent about 5 hours of farming low level monster, and already made about 20k on it.

"Don't buy it, farm it".

Another thing is the players who advertise in game for these kind of homepages, all i can say to that: warn them, take a screenshot, and then report them to Anet for violation of the EULA.

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12/01/05 16:35

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

Personally, I see nothing wrong with people who buy gold with real money, but it's the people who sell it that I dislike. Sort of stupid of me, really, but I see buying gold as the same thing as, say, hiring an escort to take you to a party. It is expensive and the benefit is fleeting and short-lived, but at times it can be absolutely essential to a person's mental well-being.

Selling gold, on the other hand, is just stupid. You take people's hard-earned money and give them what might as well be nothing in return. Yes, I know that this contradicts what I said in the first paragraph, but really, you're spending a lot of time, or worse other people's time, getting this gold and then you're selling it for probably less than you could make doing legitimate work during the same period. The people who sell GW gold aren't really players as such; they're businessmen. Players work for their own entertainment on the game and use an external source of funds that isn't related to the game at all to survive. Those people that sell gold are those that use sweatshops and bad working conditions for other people to get gold for the lowest possible price. They're worse than worthless and they should all be shut down.

Personally, I would never buy gold for an online game. I get by with the items and weapons I find on my own, so I have no need to, and besides that my money could be better spent on other things. Also, since I don't support other people selling gold, I guess really I don't support buying it either, though I don't see anything wrong with buying inandof itself... Oh well, that's just my opinion.

12/01/05 16:42

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

Just a thought about the comment about buying something that doesn't really exist...

Does an idea exist? is it worth something? If it is a good idea it could be worth billions.

Does buying gold encourage farming, sure.

Does it encourage sweat shops, sure.

Does that make it bad ... no, it makes the people that run the shops bad.

Apply the same logic to any industry, should we stop selling clothes because one company makes clothes using 2 year olds, no.We should make laws that prevent it, and punish those who break the laws.

There is obviously a market it for it. If those who farm gold do it ethically or legally(depends where you stand morally I guess, but that is a far longer post than I intend to get into) then were is the issue?

I fail to see the distinction between farming, and work. I don't see the difference between doing the same task repeatedly to obtain something and work.

I have been lucky in Guild Wars, and in life. I have had great drops, and have made good money in the game not to find myself in the market for gold. I also have time to spend playing the game so I can go to Sorrow's Furance a few times here and there. Now on the flip side, for the guy/girl who has little time, and little luck. After doing SF, UW, FoW a million times and at the end of day having little to show for it, sure I'd either quit the game and move onto something else, or buy a bit of gold, get some upgrades and move on.

It's my opinion that places like Sorrow's Furnace, UW, FoW should be harder, longer, but provide higher % of rewards. For example, let me slowly beat SF over multiple trips, but after a week, a month, whatever I know when I finish I will be rewarded.

Summary: providing its done properly, I don't see the issue.

12/01/05 16:43

cswella

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

The issue i have isn't with the game's economics or other people's money, it's with the people selling the gold. Somewhere (I'm not sure) one of our admirable admins wrote an article on the sweatshops that these sellers use.

The people are getting paid less than a dollar per hour to farm for gold, and although it seems like it would be cool to get paid to play the game, the people who work aren't game enthusiasts. They are trying to support families and they get close to nothing. The sellers are taking about 90% of the profit for just being the leader.

Now personally, i find it extremely hard to buy gold just based on conscience. I'd feel guilty.

Now if there was a company that sold gold farmed by a collabrative effort of gamers(who play for the fun of it), then I still wouldn't buy gold, but I wouldn't mind other people buying from there. Then each farmer would get an equal or agreed upon share of the profits.

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12/01/05 16:58

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

ARE U GUYS FOR REAL! ARE THERE ACTAUL SWEATSHOPS THAT FARM GOLD! for a GAME thts madness!...actaully i woodnt mind tht job since i can only play the game on weekends :P

12/01/05 17:36

aceryn

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

Like the doctor mentioned...some of us don't have 10 hours to play and farm each day. I love this game, but I want to do fun stuff. Farming isn't fun to me, unless I'm farming UW, FOW, or SF to get items for myself. So, for those of us with careers and/or children, who don't have the time, buying gold is a valid option. It lets us have some good items without wasting our precious gaming time on tedious things. If I get to play 4 hours per week, do you think I want to spend those 4 hours mindlessly farming?!?!?

One more thing: most mmo games require a monthly fee, so if I spend $20 bucks on gold, that is about what it costs to play another mmo game for a month.

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12/01/05 17:46

TarisDale

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

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just what is your opinion about this exactly?

Hmmmm My opinion exactly, you asked for it.

My opinion exactly is I always look for cause and effect in everything, and I mean everything. In doing this for reasons good or bad I know that every rock I throw in the pond makes ripples.

I also watch for ripples made by the rocks/actions of others and the effects they have. In this way I can see some effects of actions before the action happens. It would be silly to think you are the only person ever to think of a topic, so you actions may also happen at the same time as many others doing the same thing.

After saying this I see the greed of others who use short cuts that not only cheat themselves of getting true value of the game they payed for, but also others being cheated who didnt take the short cuts.

In the small arena each action adds towards what happens in the game and changes small and sometimes large areas of other peoples game play. Then for some grand effects the greed of some opens a market for greater acts of greed.

Tell me your opinion now please as can you sit there with the items or game gold you payed for online thinking "you" in your actions or in the actions you are about to do have helped in the near enslavement of real people.

Now read this please
http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3141815
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Every action has a re-action and even your small actions add to the grand re-action and the effects it has on others. If you read and understand all of this, yet still find some way to justify your actions, that you are not helping these effects by acting on them then that is your choice.

If reality effects your point of view I hope this clears a few issues for you. Also if you took the time at least to read all of this I thank you.

12/01/05 18:03

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

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just what is your opinion about this exactly?

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ok, now done with the intro, ive been gone for a while doing non-gw stuff. I seem to have the rare opinion and not see that much of a problem with it. First off, lets face some of the facts

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GW has now been turned into a luck/dependancy game. This is primarily how one "Must" earn money. You can no longer effectivly farm, because it is "imballanced" since rangers can't farm how warriors and monks could on griffon farming (giving a sarcastic example, since rangers can farm better then monks and warriors [not telling how still =P]).

Primarily what sells for the most money are Gold items, Runes, and dyes. It is very low porbability that the Rare item you obtain will actually Sell!
This results in, "if you are lucky enough to find a good item or find someone you can rip off. YOu can make 100,000's in minues, otherwise...continue looking since money will not come any other way".
Dependancy comes in to where on those occasions where you do need to go to hard places to get those drops, or run someone. You usually need other peoples help to obtain your goal. Such as a low-b to run, or a high person to help you farm UW. There seems to be no soloing/individual way to get money, and im not going to go into henchmen, that will just make it worse.

So overall I mean, I would rather go mow someones lawn then spend 20+hours hoping to get lucky farming. Thats just me, though. Although i do have to say that the people buying the gold are spending it way too fast. Why on earth do items go for over 1million gold, the highest ive seen drop is in the 300-400's. If everyone just said "no keep the item" and then prices would go down, then everyone who had money could get it dirt cheap and then try to sell it for high and not lower it, although that would mess up the already messed up economy =P.

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so no, i really dont hate them.

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12/01/05 18:29

Jamnog

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

wtf double post like two posts inbetween something is deffinately wrong with my computer. i posted and went off to play gw come back and its not like i clicked refresh or anything. im going to swap browser this is ridiculouse.
so i will continue what i was saying rather than waist the opertunity to bore you all with my ramblingness.
as for the sweat shops sure there are some but there are sweatshops for that crap you buy each other for christmas. if they get paid a dollar a day thats allot of money in some parts of the world. it might sound hidiouse and cruel but thats life. i for one condone sweatshops and think that the world is super. war, famin epidemic diseases sweeping the world, religions scewing the poorest parts of the world. if i could wave a magic wand and wipe out thrid world debt i would. why would i wave that wand? oh simple because it would bring about the end of the world through global warming. as poor countrys get more money they also want to drive ususu troupers and watch friends on the latest dvd ipod mac bundle thingy. where would they get this power from? well all the greenpeice people stopped them using nuclear power so they will use fossil fules (+its cheaper:D). so that dollar a day is going towards the end of all humanity and as a necro death is good.
im being slightly sarcastic but wich ever way i look at it its people doing what people do. you might stop them you might change their minds. i doubt ive convinced you to change anything about any of this, and if i had i dont think you would make a difference by buying or not buying £5 worth of gold off some one who kept the hall of heroes for ten minuets, and wants to suppliment their pocket money. sweatshops or no sweatshops im still wearing cheep shoes that could have come from anywhere. and your still reading this which means your going to dissagree wich i look forward to a little bit.

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12/01/05 18:40

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

I realli have to say on this. Selling online money for real money is a very good way to earn money. Buying the money is a good way for you to waste less time farming and instead but your money. In any case you buy online money off the internet, they usually scam.
A totally off topic, yet helpful tip is to not buy online money for real money off the internet because they might scam you first of all, second they can access your credit card and use it to buy whatever. You also won't know that because you would probably be standing in the middle of LA waiting on the scammers and wasting your precious Guild Wars playing time.
Truly, i don't hate them if they don't scam, but if they scam, i hate them. Basically i like them cause i sort of did it myself by selling my runescape account for $100.
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12/01/05 18:41

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

This kind of business is ruining the game.

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12/01/05 18:53

Dracorian

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

This is the Third ( I think) such topic in the forums in the last month about buying gold, ebay gold, should people do it or not. If you hate somebody for doing something that you would not do, or think they should not do, then don't play this game.

If people want to spend their real money for fake money I say go for it! by the way I have some monopoly money I will sell you also...lol.

As I have stated in another forum here about ebay money, I have made real cash from selling fake item's (I.E. Gold, weapons, armor,castles etc.) In fact I made enough a few years ago that I had to claim it on my taxes. Then the book keeper started asking me all kinds of questions about what I was doing, then the IRS audited me for my strange tax return and that got really way out of hand in the legal department.

I have said it before and will say it again. America, and the world is full of people that have idea's or one way or other can capitalize on the other people that are to lazy to do it themselves. \"lazy\" is probably not the right word to use, but it's the only one that came to mind. I can understand why people do it to a point. They want the best item's as fast as possible, so they can utilize their game playing time to it's fullest extent. Time is to short as it is, why waist it.

People play a game to have fun, be with friends and relax. I use it to relieve stress and take up boredom.

I no longer sell item's on ebay that are fake. After the big mess with the IRS I decided it was not worth it. they did not fine me or tell me I was doing anything wrong, but it cost me money and time to explain what I was doing, and how I was doing it to get them to understand the audit. If you have ever been audited you know what a pain it is, if you have not, better hope you have some skills like Endure pain, ressurect, well of blood and empathy to help you get through it....lmao

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12/01/05 18:53

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

It is against the EULA to use any form of real life items to trade for any in game items.

That's one.

Two. Buying gold is helping those who sell it, pay their workers around $0.08 an hour. If you feel that instant gratification is greater than what the employees make, I suggest going in their shoes. What I mean is that people around the world hire people for VERY low wages, and close to zilch, just to play a video game. HOWEVER, the employers get the majority of the money. I put a news article in it on another thread.

Is it really a sweatshop? No. But is it horrible? Yes. There is more than what it seems. If any of you have been in the slums in the Philippines, went around the back streets of Korea, took a trip to Africa to see how things are, those are the kinds of people that are being hired. Hard to believe? Somewhat. But it isn't hard to imagine. It is almost like outsourcing here in America. Cheap labor.

And there's now even MORE to it!

12/01/05 18:57

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

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sure thing it doesnt end with guild wars gold but thats the way the world works philapines, sao paulo, most of india, lots of places around the world its due mainly to the brittish empire heaping debt on countrys to make them poor and everyone else exploiting thease countrys because they want the cheapest thing and out sourcing. but anymoney going out to other countrys actually bolsters there econamy a little even if it goes to conmen in those countrys. if some one out there can be hired for 0.08 cents? an hour then some one else can be paid 0.08 cents to do an hour of farming ect. the econamy may seem a little alien but if you would care to take a trip to the foot hills of the himallaya with a 10 dollar bill im sure you would be surprised at how much you could get for it. 9 pence an hour was a wage in africa thats actually pretty respectable in parts. i think its 10 pounds a month for a personal cheafer who doesnt leave your side and provides his own car. im not justifying sweatshops im just saying they get exagerated. besides my original point was that allot of the people who play guildwars and find they have gotten too much money to hold in there account because they win allot in hoh should be able to sell their gold. moreover when i payed for this game it wasnt in the terms then that i couldnt buy or sell gold but they changed this. large comapnys and conglomeates are responcible in part for the third world debt and as i said past transgresions like instigating massive projects then offering warlord loans (generalising). why am i about to listen to a large company i just paid money to i hate large companys i hate the way the world is lets talk about the mountain in between droks and beacons instead.

12/01/05 19:17

TarisDale

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

So lets put it down to a care vs profit factor.

If they cant profit they dont care

12/01/05 19:24

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

No, its their money and they can do what they want with it.

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12/01/05 19:34

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Re: do you guys hate people to take real money and buy gold on GW?

I don't wanna seem like noob, but i have bought money to make my characters better to start myself off, but i don't mind spending a few bucks just to help myself off. The people taht work for this? That's their problem. They might sit there and work for 18 hours straight, but that's not realy legal is it? And when i'm not in school or at work, i'm playing GW. I put a lot of time and have a lot of fun into it, i don't mind making minor sacrifices for it. I don't spend 50+ dollars for it. Most of my time having fun is on guild wars, so i don't consider it that stupid to put in $5. When it matters to you that much, it's worth it.

IMO.

12/01/05 19:37

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