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binarydumb

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I am ashamed to be a monk!

Okay, my favorite profession to play is a monk. Being behind the frontlines allows me to see the battlefield and better assess the situation. Being a warrior is the exact opposite. You concentrate on the foe in front of you (maybe around the foe as well) but warriors tend to have a narrow view of the field, so to speak. Now, mind you, I am not ranting about warriors. I play one too and suffer the same malady.

But my last 'main' character, Aiyana, a ranger had to finish Thirsty River in order to battle my double to finish ascencion. Whilst there, I came upon this:

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I was dumbfounded, WHAT! I love being a monk, but WILL NOT stoop to this level. Have any of you seen these things before?

I am ashamed to be in the same profession. Maybe, this should be in the rants area but.argh! My coffee is boiling in my hands.

/shakeshead

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12/06/05 01:47

Hammerite Rozsda

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

yup i have seen it. i was with my own monk waiting for Ascension yesterday in Thirsty and there was this whoever monk offering himself for money.
i guess...prostitution on Tyria is going global

lol

12/06/05 01:53

Jamnog

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

ive seen this before some weeks ago i think it was also in the desert. but with monks being so rare and in great demand it was only a matter of time before someone took advantage of the situation. a mission seems to be able to go ok without a tank but try telling a team to go without a monk and they have a fit. the weird thing is some one will probably pay this guy thinking its all part and parcell of playing the game.

12/06/05 02:13

NecroRebel

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

Monks can charge for their services, so n00b monks do charge for their services. Despite the fact that even at high levels you can largely rely on yourself for healing with a proper build (remember presearing? Oftentimes you would fight enemies 4-5 levels above you and come out on top because you were self-healing), most people choose not to, which makes a demand for external healers exist.

For most classes, there is a large number of them for each slot in a party that they would normally occupy. This drives demand for each particular character down, so prices drop to nothing. However, since monks tend to always get blamed for failures with little praise for their successes, many people don't like playing them and stop at around Kryta. With the number of monking players dropping dramatically at The Wilds and beyond, the demand for each monk rises a great deal to the point where they can demand pay and get it. This doesn't mean that they SHOULD do this; quite the contrary, it means that they should charge a share of the loot, just like everyone else.

The worst part is that skilled players hardly need a monk until the later missions. Heck, I can imagine a group doing everywhere but Hell's Precipice with no monks at all (and that includes the infamous Thunderhead Keep). Basically, monks aren't as important as some would like to think. A skilled monk can save a team's butts while a stupid monk can destroy them, just as surely as a skilled war can save a team's butt and a stupid one can destroy them.

Monks are a crucial part of any team... Just like everyone else is. They're about as crucial to a team as all those Eles, Necros, Mesmers, and Rangers were for all the solo griffon farmers. They help, but they actually aren't what makes or breaks a team. Because of this, those that demand pay need to get off their high horse and realize that they're stupid. They make the honest ones among us ashamed to share a class with them.

12/06/05 02:32

DLS

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

This is true... sadly. Sometimes though when I'm going through missions with my other character, and I see one of those "prostitution monks" (nice term Hammerite >.< ) just in spite of them, I log off and grab my lvl20 monk who has finished chapter 1, and spam "free monk lfg" or something of the sort. Instantly multiple invites :D

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12/06/05 02:36

binarydumb

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

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They help, but they actually aren't what makes or breaks a team. Because of this, those that demand pay need to get off their high horse and realize that they're stupid. They make the honest ones among us ashamed to share a class with them.

@necrorebel:
I agree. What makes or breaks a team is communication and excecution. Decide on the plan, and DO IT! You can talk about it all you want, but unless you stick to it and do what is expected of you, then you expedite everyone's demise. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link.

@DLS:
I do the same. It's fun to do that, isn't it?

Funny thing is, my monk was the 3rd character I created and she was first to complete chapter 1's missions. You learn A LOT playing as a monk. I recommend it highly.

edit: plus credit for both of you on those replys.

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12/06/05 03:01

wolfs_reign

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

i know what u mean when u say a bad tank/bad healer can destroy a party. ive dealt with this many times on THK. tanks thinking they are god and rush into enemy groups causing the group to fight an unnessary fight, and in turns causing the failing of the mission. monks to. heal/protection monks are not meant to be on the front lines. they are meant to stay behind the tanks/ranger/etc and watch over them and ensure there lives are protected. on the other hand. a good tank/monk is priceless.

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12/06/05 03:03

evil geek

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

I have to agree on the 'ashamed to be a monk' heading - charging seems to me to negate the whole experience/concept of being a healing or protection monk.

Although (and I am not justifying this, just trying to gain some perspective) often a monks lot is not a happy one, monks often face abuse and get blamed for other peoples stupidity (plenty of threads about this one)so what is the motivation left to be a prot or healing monk? This person obviously thinks charging is one. I just hope they get alot of stupid team mates who aggro for no reason, split etc and when they can't keep them alive they get tonnes of abuse (lol) at least their getting paid for it!

@Binary and @DLS, Ive not come across a monk prostituting themselves yet but when i do I'll follow your guys lead - 'FREE healing monk LFG'

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12/06/05 04:47

Dark Ritualist

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

I think that a monks that lets people pay for the healing he offers is just as bad as some Runners that charge u with f*ckin high prices!!

A monk and a Warrior are very different and that is what I like about bein a monk, my monk is also my 3th charr and like yours, the first of them to complete tha game!! I have a warrior, a runner and I run people for free, in the warrior's race, u alos have these guys that say :

QUOTE

"Running to Beacon's (from Yak's Bend) for only 2k"

I think that a monk that make people pay for his services is as bad as the runners that over-charge their clients

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12/06/05 05:00

Iminluvwit2women

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

I personally wouldn't charge like that to help out a group. I believe many people don't like playing monks due to that alot of people rely too much on monks to keep things going forward.

Its definitely "somewhat" difficult to go from a Warrior to Monk and be able to turn off that attack mentality. I love playing a monk. It has been fun so far.

A note on Thirsty River when it comes to this whole relying on your monk/not working together. I tried 2 PUG's with my nuker. Both groups failed horribly. I finally was able to talk my friends to help me out with the mission. We are all in a guild together and play many other games while using teamspeak. They have taken a break from GW for a little while, but soon will pick it back up. So, keep in mind they havent played in like 2 months.

We blew away the mission. It was almost as if we were doing the one of the first missions. Experience helps alot obviously, but the teamwork/communication we have is unbeatable. The more I play in PUG's, the more I realize how hard people love to make this game. I'm pretty much done with PUG's. Being apart of 2 guilds helps alot.....

12/06/05 05:39

Xavier_Darkraven

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

I've seen that too often. Thunderhead Keep is also a favourite haunt of the charging monks. Usually once a warrior starts with 'OMGZ WHERE ARE ALL THE [expletive] MONKS!?!?!?!' One soon pipes up with a price and the team all put in cash to hire them.

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12/06/05 05:52

Swamp_Fox

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

I wouldn't mind paying if the monk can do the mission all by himself (yes, I've seen a monk solo Iron Mines of Moladune for 500gold [also infused, and killed marcus by himself]). Although he seemed to know what he was doing etc. I find it just plain discraceful if you charge for grping for something you havent even done yet.

Well, maybe people in general think they are getting something that they pay for; You will get a better monk the more you pay. Although this is just an assumption, I would tend to think the opposite.

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12/06/05 06:08

SirShaitan

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

Well on the other end of the spectrum.......

I have 2 monk chars, I have never charged for doing missions and never will. The only times I use my monk anymore is to help guildmates. However if the people charging for the service find people to pay them, well good for them.

I keep seeing where people on this forum complain about farming
if it's solo or dual. These guys have to make cash somehow. So how are they supposed to do it?

I know that any of you that are complaining about the monks would most certainly complain about runners to......

It's a capitalist enviroment. If the service exists in the game
and people are willing to pay for it, there is a need. Someone will undoubtably fill it...

12/06/05 06:37

honnaja

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

I must admit to feeling that 'OMG' factor sometimes when I see these things, however when I look at it from a different perspective I think 'why not'. I wouldn't do it myself but if someone's good at something then why not charge for it? They're not MAKING anyone pay them. You choose to pay and on the one occasion I paid a couple of runners to Droknar's it was an absolute pleasure to pay them. I really enjoyed watching them 'do their stuff' and want to be able to do that run myself one day, not for payment though.

You're so right Binary, playing a monk really shows you a different side of the game and I can see why many do quit. It's not 'nice' to charge for monkly services, but if you pay and they do the job they say they do then I doubt I'd mind, having sat around waiting for a monk to appear for x amount of time. To me that's far better than abusing people by cheating them or shouting 'noob' at them because they happen to make a mistake or just not be very good or.. *insert one of many other possible reasons here*

I ran into the 'it's the monk's fault when I die and nothing to do with my hurried frenzy into the next mob of beasts regardless of everyone's health/energy' thing the other day and grrr it's SO annoying, but hey you must've all been there at some point so I won't dig that one up again.

Keep on being one of the decent monks. It's lovely to bump into those and I often find myself admiring a good monk (I always assume I'm not a good monk even though I seem to do okay heh)

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12/06/05 06:56

TalonWoJ

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

Sadly, I see this as becomming a trend for any profession in certain areas. For Examle, the other day I warped to Hell's Precpice to help a guild member and I see pople looking to pay a Nuker to the the mission ,however, it was not just one but many groups. Now I am not sure what it is about that mission but Eles and Monks are rare there (at least it appears that way). o.O I can only imagine that soon some Ele is going start spamming 'Nukeing mission for 3k'

I also have a monk who was my 3rd character and would have never even thought of exploiting an areas need for a class.(Anyone else notice how a lot of people in this thread had a monk as their 3rd cahr?)

You scored as Monk. You are a Monk: You are an essential piece of any team, keeping the party alive and well-protected. You are always the first target for enemies, so be careful!

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12/06/05 06:57

honnaja

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

"Nuking mission for 3k"

LoL

Do these people refund if they really stuff it up? *grin*

Monk was my second char. Either we all think we can do a better job than we've seen, or we hope to be as good as some of those we have seen... Funny how we don't seem to fancy it first time around. Maybe we think it'll be boring then we realise it isn't.. meh

12/06/05 07:04

Kaoka

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

I charge for my leadership skills on Thunderhead Keep mission as a monk. I win 95% + of the time, I collect the money at the end of the missions success, sometimes people dont pay (not very often), most people are glad to get through that mission and somtimes I even get tips. I havenet done it for a while coz one player dint pay, which put me off doing it as he clearly agreed to the fee before commencing the mission, I'm sure naming the person here will be against some rules, but I feel like shamming him.

12/06/05 07:14

BrianFellow

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

Nothing is worse than going on a UW questing group where one of your monks is a non-English speaking, non-rezing invicimonk who dies alot!

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12/06/05 07:25

blackphoenix

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

I agree that this is crap. I would rather fail a mission with henchies/pickup groups than make it by paying someone to help me/do it for me...

12/06/05 07:26

Eddepet

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

Monk was my third character too, and as far I played with it, I like it. It really is something different.
I think you shouldn't ask money for healing people. If you do want money, just say (like some runners) "donations welcome." Most of the time (that's my experience), I still get money from people when I'm running and say; donations welcome.

12/06/05 07:34

cswella

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

*Am possessed by the devil. i.e. playing devils advocate*

Those types of monks are generally people out to make a quick buck, but what about other monks? As you all have said, monks are THE most abused profession in the game. Whether they are good or bad monks, they will still take crap for whatever reason. All it takes is one tank to complain to the team, and suddenly everyone looks to the healer for the apology. I've played a monk(and in my opinion, a pretty good one), and I have been blamed for deaths even though I'm BiP'd and spamming healing. I'm healing for about 100+ health at a time, and still, 'I'm not doing the best job I can'.

So, after attempting THK as a monk, and after countless mission failures, apparently due to my poor healing, I'm feeling pretty frustrated. If I have to go through that kind of crap again, I want to be compensated. And how? Charge people.

Now, I'm not saying monks should charge people for their services. But I understand.

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12/06/05 07:49

Star_Gazer

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

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If I have to go through that kind of crap again, I want to be compensated

you are one of those people that would sue McDonalds for spilling hot coffee on yourself, aren't you?

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12/06/05 07:56

blackphoenix

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

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I've played a monk(and in my opinion, a pretty good one), and I have been blamed for deaths even though I'm BiP'd and spamming healing.

For those of you that don't know, this right here is proof that healing monks alone CANNOT handle every situation in the game. Sometimes, those lvl 24-28 monsters do so much damage even the elitest of healing monks cannot keep up. This is why it is so vitally important that either a protection monk come along, or everyone carry some type of self healing.

1. Protection monks are not worthless.

2. Why do I need healing? I have a monk. -because sometimes the monk has too many things goin on at once to get to you in time.

So, the two things I'm tryin to say: Protection, never leave home with out it, and the best person to watch your own back is you.

I'm done, next please.

12/06/05 07:56

Dark Ritualist

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

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Protection, never leave home with out it

Sounds like a promotial for condoms ^^

and isn't that what monks are??
U can do without them, but it's safer with them

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12/06/05 08:01

Loki_Tine

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

lmao @Stargazer, i remember when that lady did that, man sometimes i hate americans we are just so stupid sometimes. Its like that one robber that broke into someones house and then sued them because he cuts himself on broken glass and he freaking won the case. Can you believe that crap? Anyways charging for services is outrageous, if anyone needs a ranger, ele, or monk for missions pm Loki Tine, Artemis Thunderhand, or I Fix You. Oh wait my monk is only lvl 15 lol but the other two are more then capable. And the best results on the hells mission bring two air spikers and a ranger with winter..the mission is way too easy then.

12/06/05 08:25

Star_Gazer

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

well i dont really get his point about being frustrated and needs to be compensated for it. Mesmers anyone? Warriors? every class has its 'downside' that people seem to frown on. but its not downside, its the method of play. So in my opinion, MESMERS should be the richest people in the game, according to the above statement :]

12/06/05 08:37

Mann

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

"EXPERIENCED WARRIOR FOR HIRE 1 PLAT"

That's starting to come up.

12/06/05 08:40

Star_Gazer

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

you BETTER be lying....where did you see this?

12/06/05 08:41

Loki_Tine

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

I have seen this in the jungle and in lions arch. I ragged on them pretty bad. Freakin punks.

12/06/05 08:46

Dark_Dragon_Claw

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Re: I am ashamed to be a monk!

@Mann This looks like the kind of Warrior that has died about 3000 times but hasn't finished Thunderhead Peak yet. He is an expert at what he does best, overaggro and die. :P

@Phoenix I agree with you completely. My 4th character is a prot monk and , for exemple, in the past 2 days, i have completed Thunder Head Keep twice and Hell's Precipice once with only 1 healing monk and me and we won easily all 3 times even tought we had to deal with quitting and dumb Warriors. (Nothing personnal against Warriors, we really happenned not to get a single good one)

BTW always bring a Minion Master on Thead Keep, just make the tank's job easier.

12/06/05 08:56

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