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Jangles

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Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

Just wondering... I have a prediction that within a few months (or sooner), Anet will update the AI so that an enemy with spiteful spirit will either (a move away from his allies b) not attack, or some combination of both. This is what a real player does when they have spiteful spirit spirit on them, plus it once again nerfs the "unfair" uw farming, so it's only logical that Spiteful Spirit will eventually be nerfed just as AOE was.

12/07/05 13:07

Star_Gazer

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

yup they will nerf it...they will nerf everything. sooner or later, the 20 people that still play this game (after they nerf everything) will only be able to use weapons.....heck, i predict that healing spells will be easily interupted! (ie-trapping rangers)

12/07/05 13:15

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

Hehee ... an average 'real player' warrior on 4vs4 arenas keeps happily chipping away his own health (and that of his teammates) when blessed with Spiteful Spirit and Insidious Parasite. The funniest thing is when a W uses Sever Artery on a necro. One Plague Touch later it's the brave paladin himself who's bleeding the remaining drops of his health away. Teasing random warriors with a cursing necro provides so much sickly fun that it should probably be banned, or perhaps it grows hair in your palms? :D
Now why should the AI be smarter than the average player? In some situations it already is, since a large percentage of players likes to bath in fire storms, maelstroms and the like, completely oblivious to the strain that they bring on the poor monks.

12/07/05 13:27

Joseph the Jester

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

I wish they'd quit nerfing stuff. I find the hordes difficult enough to dispatch with my Me/R, I don't need them becoming smarter.

12/07/05 13:57

Hiob

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

Unfortunaltly, I think they will do some nerv to Spiteful Spirit. Either they do something about the spell (lowering damage), or the try to "fix" the AI, making NPCs spread when hit by the Spirit, or just doing nothing if hexed with it.

Talking clear: They will do some bad things again, bad things that bring more problems than they fix, just like the last AoE/AI update

12/07/05 14:08

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

The AoE ai update was a good one. I'm not saying it's ok, but it makes it more real. If they're going to nerf Spiteful Spirit, they gotta include some code that makes them stop attack. Nerfing the spell itself would be idiotic.....

Look at it this way: if all farming stops, prices will drop, since no one can afford it any more, and no one will need to farm. The gold selling industry will crash down, and so no one will be able to buy gold either.

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12/07/05 14:13

Star_Gazer

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

they thought that the prices would drop after this past update....as I was looking to buy black dye the other day, I noticed a huge price increase....its almost 9k the last that I checked, and I used to be able to buy it at 6k. Same with ectos. ectos have gained a healthy 3k+ price tag to it. So I want to know, how is this helping the economy?

12/07/05 14:17

Quazzy

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

Simply because people are finding other ways to farm!

UW trapping..... W/Mo still works, if you go glads and cyclone....

Farming aint dead yet.

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12/07/05 14:19

scientist

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

maybe

12/07/05 14:20

Mann

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

I disagree with the part on "they will eventually nerf everything." Really now? :p

If they nerf it, alright. But it isn't much big of a deal. Two man farming isn't as abused as the solo. But who really knows eh? Only the works at Anet.

12/07/05 14:27

Hiob

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

Sorry, but I think it will be more that way:
The mass of available goods decreases, meaning the goods increase in worth (like ectos, black dye, or any other rare drops). People will need more money, thus will have to farm even more / longer, with less money for the time they invest into it. So, those who are rich will stay rich or become even richer, while the poor can't afford to buy themselves valuable goods or have to farm even more to buy themselves needed equipment. Gold buying with RL money will become even more of a shortcut to GW money, scince you still can get is as easy as it used to be (maybe even seeing these prices increase?)

But well, maybe, as the market as a mass of all customers and sellers, will somewhat stabilize in the middle, like it always does.

12/07/05 14:30

Elbrayn

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

Geeez how about wait till the Nerf it (if they do) before complain about it lolz

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12/07/05 14:44

icemonkey

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

I hope they dont nerf spiteful. Like that other guy said people usually attack right thru it in Team arenas, and cruse necros are sick amounts of fun. But honestly, Guild wars already has some of the most annoying and needlessly difficult enemies in all of PvE rpg'ing. For almost everyone i know, after playing thru the game once, its pretty much a huge pain to play thru again witha new character. Don't you remember leveling your char in Diablo 2 and it was FUN!!! They should really leave this stuff alone, the guild wars economy is so large and complex you cannot forsee the effects a change will actually have on it.

12/07/05 18:19

TalonWoJ

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

I don't really see what all the fuss is about. The game accually challanges you more and I find it a good thing. ^_^

I don't really see a reason to "nerf" SS because it can be countered and removed just like other hexes. I have accually never even found it a problem before. (unless your an IWAY team) However, I will say I have probley yet to feel the full wrath of this move.

As for prices I am sort of torn. While I would like to get ectos and black dyes etc. for cheap you also have to think. If it is cheap it becomes easily obtained and then not really rare anymore. To me it gives more of a sense that I have accomplished something if it took me some time rather than being able to get it as if it was a salvage kit.

I have accually seen prices on ecto drop from being 17k each a fews weeks ago to today where it was between 12-13k.

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12/07/05 19:06

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

Instead of Nerfing they should make stuff to counter it better and let the player find it out. Its not like people were just handed the ability to echo nuke or echo ss...people had to take time and think about what moves they could use to make their character as good as it could be. Thats my favorite part about GW the thinking aspect. With all the nerfs i will not be supprised if we have to start taking turns to hit eachother. lol. just kidding...(plz Anet dont get any ideas)

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12/07/05 19:17

Jangles

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

Some people in pvp will stand in AOE spells, just as some will keep hacking away near their allies with spiteful spirit on them. However, the majority of players (non-idiots) will either stop attackig, move away from their teammates, or have a hex removal spell cast on them. So if the purpose of the AOE update was to make a more realistic AI, it only makes sense that they will update the computer AI so enemies don't stand in a ball while one attacks with spiteful spirit. However, if the purpose of the AOE update was to nerf farming, it STILL makes sense that they would update the AI since spiteful spirit is now the most widely used method of farming.

On to traps - realisticly, no one will run into a pre-set trap since you can see (by using tab to scroll through opponents) who and where someone is setting them. When I am in pvp, either me or a teammate ALWAYS ctrl-clicks on a trapper show so we have "Leet Trapper(2) is using Spike Trap!" in our team chat. Not much of a trap anymore, eh? The best pvp trappers don't use pre-set traps, but trap DURING the fight. It also makes sense, both to make the AI more realistic and to stop the "unfair farming" (since trappers frequently farm UW), that they will eventually update the AI so it won't blindly run into traps.

The reason I complained about the AOE update was not just to whine and moan, but because they made AOE AI more realistic, but didn't do a thing about trappers or spiteful necros! Go ahead and nerf the eles, but now the necros and trappers are powerhouses! Great idea, AreaNet!

12/07/05 19:35

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

Incidentally, many players don't watch where others are placing traps. Also, if you have a trap laid down and an AI opponent walks over it, they'll move out of it. I'm not sure if this happens with Spiteful Spirit (I'm assuming that it doesn't or SS would be worthless), but if you put Mark of Pain on an enemy in the middle of a cluster and hit it with a rapid succession of physical attacks, other enemies around them will move away.

The thing about the AoE change is that it doesn't trigger unless a given effect hits twice in 3-4 times in an equal number of seconds. This is the reason why SS doesn't trigger then AoE flee subroutine; no enemy attacks or casts a spell once per second or more, so the prerequisite number of damage spells don't occur. This is also the reason why Empathy doesn't trigger it; it does damage less than once per second (a little more than a second per attack is the minimum with an attack speed boost skill), so the effect doesn't trigger.

Also, realize that many people are actually dumber than the AI was BEFORE the AI changed. Ever seen a war charge after a patrol, effectively getting pulled into a huge group? I have, and although I would like to say that I was never that foolish, I honestly can't. People attack when they have Empathy, Spiteful Spirit, or Insidious Parasite on and cast spells when they have Backfire or Spiteful Spirit on because they either don't know what they do or don't notice that they're there. If Anet wants to make these spells reacted to more like a human would, they would make the AI hit 2-3 times before stopping anyway. Ultimately, people would just figure out other ways around it; say, Channeling, Arcane Echo, Empathy for 4-5 seconds, then Shatter Delusions, then Echo, then Arcane Echoed Empathy for 4-5 seconds, then Shatter Delusions, then Echoed Empathy for 4-5 seconds, then shatter Delusions, then Energy Tap, then repeat. It might be less effective that SS or solo invincimonks were, but it would still work. And this will continue forever because Anet will never figure out any way to prevent all solo or dual farming.

12/07/05 20:00

Joseph the Jester

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

I'm unhappy with most of the nerfing. I can understand the moving out of the area when an AoE is used, but why not just define all the AoE spells, and when it is cast on an AI they scatter. Wouldn't that be simpler and more realistic? I've been using Chaos Storm (the only AoE for Mesmers that I'm aware of, although I guess epidemic could be considered one).

Anything though that makes what shouldn't be impossible impossible though, is lame. I should be able to gather a group of lvl 20s (with healers, tanks and nukers) and be able to fight my way through to Droknar's from Beacon's Perch. The fact that we can't even get past the first spawn of monsters is insane.

12/07/05 22:02

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

If they do Nerf SS I promise to SPAM the most complaint e-mails i can to Anet >.<

I love UW farming, its become part of the game for me...
Its become like a habbit for me.

Anyways i dun mind if they make it more challenging to Farm 2man in UW but just as long as they dont make it IMpossible.

12/08/05 08:16

Hammerite Rozsda

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

Hey, ectos didnt increase in price on the American servers, in fact they dropped! When i firts began my trapping career they were about 13k average, now i see people selling for 11k!
Some of the drops lost value but most stayed as before, yup yup.

Abt SS, i just love that spell! Even if they plan to nerf it in a way that mobs wont attack then just get echo and spam it on every single mob so none will attack! LOL

12/08/05 08:48

Scizzors1215

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

Shhh they mite Nerf Echo too >.>
lol

12/08/05 08:59

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

The trappers have been farming UW way before faction was even invented. A-Net made Flame Trap and Dust Trap even more powerful back before the AoE changes. I don't see any reason why they would nerf Spiteful Spirit. All this will do is skyrocket UW items more.

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12/08/05 08:59

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

I'm Brian Fellow!

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12/08/05 11:20

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

they probably will nerf it soon enough anet dont like people farming. and as they read the forums i heard some one complaining that bone feinds should be nerfed too.
looks like necros have sparked some jelousy among the other casters.
i dont mind if the nerf necro it was quite nice being the underdog using a full skill bar rather than being called uppon for just one skill. how many times have you heard battry necro or mm or spitefull recently.
people just want specific things from necros its a shame people dont ask for just a necro and work out (looking at the team they are in and the mission they are playing) what sort of skills to use.
i thaught it was bad that echo nukers where the only type of skill set ele where using.
im glad the nerfed aoe now i can use ice spikes ice prison or blinding flash to help a team when playing ele.
imo if they want to make this game better they should just change one thing and thats the drop ratio for solo players should be reduced to make it more worthwhile playing in a team. if something dies then perhaps having one thing for everyone drop from that thing.
well i know this is out of my hands but i will be using spitefull spirit untill they nerf it and im making the most of the limelight while its there.

12/08/05 11:22

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

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I dont mind if the nerf necro it was quite nice being the underdog using a full skill bar rather than being called uppon for just one skill. how many times have you heard battry necro or mm or spitefull recently.
people just want specific things from necros its a shame people dont ask for just a necro and work out (looking at the team they are in and the mission they are playing) what sort of skills to use.

I agree with some of that. I hear Battery, MM and spitefull too often. I play as a N/Me using Curses and Domination. Result? I get very few group invites.

For a start, against groups of Warriors and Rangers I use Faintheartedness and Suffering. Immediately they have health degen of -6 and they attack a lot slower. I then switch my attention to either a Mesmer, Monk or Necro, and hit Backfire of on them. This shuts them down for a while. I also equip Shatter Hex (for use on allies) - This deals out damage to foes as well, and for myself, Hex Breaker.

While I don't think this is the best build for N/Me's, it is a good all round build to help a team.

12/08/05 11:51

Joseph the Jester

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

Don't feel bad. As a Me/R I also get very little invites, although recently I've focused on my Me and just ignored my R skills.

12/08/05 14:27

Khadgar

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

will they nerf it...my guess is they'll change it once they see how much it's being used. and anet should really stop trying to beat us (that's right YOU WILL LOSE IN THE END) i've notice many skills are triggering the AoE-Flee, flame & dust trap seem to cause things to run, also...ignite arrow. my ranger has had enemy fleeing several times while using it; not sure why. i don't think the AI should stop attacking because then farming will be the easiest it's ever been: cast it and then just hack 'n slash.

frankly, i don't see why Anet is pissing off it's clients....they were hoping to make a big profit on Chapter 2 right?

what i do love is how they are making everyone play PVP...why do i say this? because i'm noticing it's harder and harder to do missions/quests with NPCs, but if u try and do a mission (say RoF in America) there's usually 10 players there and 6 are afk; and only my W/Mo, R/Me, and Mo/W is at RoF (i know my monk will have no prob) but i'm stuck because nobody seems to be doing the mission.
now some of you might wonder why this is of importance. if Anet continues to nerf and make things harder you WILL start seeing "Warrior for hire $$$$" or some other class for hire; and people will have to pay because the AI's will be to "smart"

so anet has to really think now if it's in the community's best interest to modify anymore of the AI

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12/08/05 17:37

Hammerite Rozsda

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

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i prefer Blood+Curses with my necro using SS of course..its a great skill.
i think in many cases curses can be lot better for the party than minions.
cast weakness and 50% slower attack on a bunch of monsters and your tanks will barely get serious damage.
include SS or Mark of Pain and you will be loved.

Curses are awesome!

12/08/05 17:45

Khadgar

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

just to throw this out i heard from a friend that plays a necro that Mark of Pain triggers AoE-Flee; my necros not to a point where he can change to a n/w to test this out.

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12/08/05 17:51

Hammerite Rozsda

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Re: Do you think Spiteful Spirit will be nerfed eventually?

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just to throw this out i heard from a friend that plays a necro that Mark of Pain triggers AoE-Flee; my necros not to a point where he can change to a n/w to test this out.

yes..sometimes it does..but seems like not always like for example Firestorm does. but true, it CAN and probably will make them flee at one point.
thats dumb dont u think, whats the point of that spell if it makes them flee, totally useless and should b erased from the game.
sad :(

12/08/05 17:53

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