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Flameing Wolf

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What skills do u think should be nerfed

What skills do u hate or just dont really work for nething:D

12/12/05 13:17

paperclip

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

Should be nerfed: Obsidan Flesh (Elite)
Spiteful Spirit
Protective Spirit ;)
Made stronger: Poison Arrow (Elite)
Quick Shot (ELite)
(I think they should both do extra damage as well as do what they do)

12/12/05 13:30

Dark Ritualist

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

Nerved:

IWAY!!!!!!!

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12/12/05 13:31

Slithery Deuce

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

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Nerved:

IWAY!!!!!!!

AGREED

12/12/05 13:33

Mann

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

I really feel none of the skills should be nerfed as of right now, as most of them that were used for farming, are already nerfed. ie. Zealot's Fire, Divine Boon, etc.

I don't know why the skills listed above should be nerfed. Explain reasons please?

IWAY is counterable enough as is. :(

12/12/05 13:37

Lord_Skull_Crusher

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

They must just add this to the skill "i will avenge you":
DOES NOT WORK ON PETS!!!
i really hate all those iway teams, mixed teams are way more fun.

And plz... dont nerf prot spirit :P

12/12/05 13:37

NecroRebel

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

I think that the only skills that need tweaking are Empathy, Insidious Parasite, Spiteful Spirit, and Backfire. Now, some of you may not like this, but I think that the monsters should have a protocol where they stop attacking or casting if they have an appropriate Hex on them, the same as a human would. Spiteful Spirit especially needs an avoidance protocol to stop SSNecro/Invincimonk teams farming the Underworld..

I would have these skills changed with an AI update rather than an actual change to the skills themselves because I feel that in pvp, they are easily avoidable. They are, quite frankly, too powerful for use in pve as is, though, because monsters aren't currently bright enough to realize when they're taking 50 damage per strike or 200 damage per spell.

I also think that "I will avenge you!" needs to be tweaked a bit, probably so that it doesn't draw off of dead pets because having 5 Warriors running around with constant attack speed boosts and large regen is simply too powerful. It would also take down the current IWAY trend in Tombs.

12/12/05 13:38

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

Spiteful spirit

12/12/05 13:43

Gryzz

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

Well, any AI tweaks regarding enemies to stop attacking would be more than tough to create. From a programmers standpoint and keeping balance in mind, creating a decent way for them to avoid that would be tough. What will they do once enchanted? Stop attacking? Then there would be farming parties that just enchant the enemies with those spells so they don't get attacked. Even limiting the attack would be hard. The only real effective way would be to count those spells as AoE damage so they attack a different target.

12/12/05 13:53

aceryn

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

I hate when they nerf skills. Elementalists are now useless, and if you nerf Spiteful Spirit, that will take away from my necro/monk UW duo fun. Instead of suggesting that they nerf those skills, why don't you create a necro and use it?

12/12/05 13:58

Lord_Skull_Crusher

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

anet does not want to stop all farming, they only nerf a farming method when its a way to make money TOO fast. a little farming is ok, and i dont think anet wants to stop the duo uw teams.

12/12/05 14:11

Tanis of Narnia

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

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anet does not want to stop all farming, they only nerf a farming method when its a way to make money TOO fast. a little farming is ok, and i dont think anet wants to stop the duo uw teams.

Well, a little farming has to be allowed for now. Most of the high level economy is based on it and without something to balance it out, they can't outlaw it.

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12/12/05 14:19

BrianFellow

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

Well Spiteful Spirit should stay as is (maybe increase recharge time to 30 seconds)... being an Elite Skill. They could always make the Aatxes in UW "knock-down proof" like hydras and giants.

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12/12/05 14:28

Minus_the_Great

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

soothing images and empathy and illusionary weaponry should be nerfed...i hate it on my warrior

12/12/05 14:30

Star_Gazer

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

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make the Aatxes in UW "knock-down proof" like hydras and giants.

last I checked, they were still able to be knocked down...try meteor on them :]

edit: forgot to put thought on post hehe

ok nerfing skills...why does everyone want to nerf skills because someone uses a creative way to use them? underworld is hard as it is, as there are MANY interupts (everything can pretty much interupt) that can happen at any time. Add on top of that, that you had to pay 1k for a run to the uw. if you die at the beginning, you have lost 1k. and besides, the second they nerf something again, someone will come up with a better build. They will render this game useless by forcing people to do stuff with ONLY a full party. One of the cool things about the way it is right now, is to see how much I can take on by myself. Also, making fun of people using a build posted on the internet is not good. It will point some people in the right direction (such as me) and some insight on how to create your own down the road. After all, every build has room for improvement.

So the main point of this post is basically to try NOT to flame people for using farm builds, or powerful builds. Everything can be countered as it is, and 'nerfing' skills will not make the game more enjoyable. In fact, most of the people that say that certain skills should be nerfed need to get more practice, and start trying to make their own 'uber' build. Sitting down and saying 'I wont fight an IWAY team' is just crazy. Are you trying to be me powerful than them or what? And, as Mann said earlier, IWAY is TOTALLY counterable. I can just cough the words ::poison arrow:: ::empathy:: ::conjure phantasm::...and I dont even play PvP :b

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12/12/05 14:37

TalonWoJ

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

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I hate when they nerf skills. Elementalists are now useless.

Elementalists are no where near useless. AoE still works but no one wants to take the time to work it out so they just throw it out. However, this does allow for people to try and create news ways and also allow new Elements.

I don't think any skills need to be nerfed at the moment. Everything can be countered fine (Of course I could be wrong).

IWAY gets owned easily but your team needs to work together. Wards and blinding work wonders and while they are blind tkae out the necros then trappers. Spiteful sprit will also take down the warriors who atack faster.

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12/12/05 14:46

silverstein

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

IWAY only lasts 10 seconds and has a recharge time of 45 seconds. When we do guild runs in tombs, we are almost glad when we get to fight iway teams, as most of them are unorganized, and think they can just jump into a random IWAY team and have success.

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12/12/05 14:48

Minus_the_Great

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

iway last 10 sec for EVERY DEAD ALLY so if 6 pets are dead: iways lasts for 6x10=60sec!
and we got owned last time in a GvG vs IWAY :(

12/12/05 14:51

BrianFellow

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

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make the Aatxes in UW "knock-down proof" like hydras and giants.

last I checked, they were still able to be knocked down...try meteor on them :]

Funny, I've faced them and they don't get knocked down by signet of judgment, bane signet, or shield of judgment at all.

poison arrow isn't that great but its considered Elite. Apply poison is even better in some ways (not having to use energy for awhile since its a preparation).

Illusionary Weaponry doesn't need to be nerfed. Every time I face a mesmer they are usually dead in seconds!

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12/12/05 14:52

Reaces

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

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Made stronger: Poison Arrow (Elite)
Quick Shot (ELite)

I speak from experience with my ranger that quick shot has some nasty combo-abilitys, most people just dont bother trying.

Trust me, it doesn't need to be stronger, it can do some nasty shit when used right.

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12/12/05 14:58

Star_Gazer

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

well, poison arrow is COMPLETELY spammable...5 energy with no recharge...tab ::shoot:: tab ::shoot:: tab ::shoot:: [you get the message :]

they dont get 'physically' knocked down, but you can see them like slouch for a second....they stop attacking for a second...just check it out ;]

and the build that I was speaking of for poison arrow, conjure, and empathy..find a shutdown mesmer for the monks, shut em down, have a BIP necro to keep rangers full with energy...and just watch them dwindle away one by one. :]

12/12/05 15:00

TarisDale

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

Why have people gone from anti-nerf to pro-nurf and what made this change happen?

12/12/05 15:21

Star_Gazer

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

lol my thought exactly...do people WANT the game to be ONLY orison of healing, JUST swords, axes, hammers [no skills associated], etc?

12/12/05 15:23

blackphoenix

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

Just nerf them all, then we can be back to where we were at the end of April when the game was released and we can start the whole process over again. :)

12/12/05 15:26

Star_Gazer

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

phoenix watch your mouth! just because its YOUR BIRTHDAY doesnt give you a right to speak those harsh words!

12/12/05 15:28

Jamnog

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

ok i wrote a post then got rid of it (3 times). in short i think that it would do no harm to the majority of experienced necros to have the bip mm and spitefull spirit skills nerfed.

or even just deleted forgotten about because thease skills are not the skills necros love the best.
they are tediouse to use.
they are not skills that make me feel clever or cool.
they are not skills that help the team to fight as a team.
they are not skills that enourage other players to try as hard as they can.
they do not imporve the game in that when i wander about the map humiliating the enemy with an amry of feinds they all stand around.
i do not like seeing a necro charging 7k to run people through desert missions with an army of bone feinds. (even if i do have a great deal of respect for the work they must have put into perfecting the art to this leval).
i do not like spamming bip every 10 seconds then compensating for massive sacrifices. thus feeling like an automation of santa in a shop window doleing out something that is then used to the point of dependancy such that if i die the monk immidiately runs out of energy and we all die

they put necros in the limelight making more new players with no idea of team work try to play as a necro.

but most of all they distract players from doing something that many necros have been doing for months.
reading skills comeing up with strats.
playing the best game you can with your class no matter if its got the best dammage or looks the coolest or had the best dance... need i say more
well yes because you read this far.. you must be bored
you are faced with a golden oppertunity to adapt to a changed game.
this repeat playability is rare in games how many line your shelves that you have played this much? when the casting speeds for necros went up in the summer did i post anything IMPLYING please nerf aoe? no infact i carried on silently as imo did the rest of the necros.
some necro skills have been effected by the aoe thing mark of pain was one of the best skills going.

the cost of my skills has been outrageouse when faced with no soul reaping fom high leval bosses and corpses practically dont exist in higher levals of the game.

the only class who i fear in the art of having something to complain about since i started playing the game are mesmers.
and in all i think they seem to be copeing verry well with this.
seeing as chaos storm was imo one of the best skills in gw. and has been hardest hit. (it is still used effectivly tho)
seasoned players and new players allike dont enojoy seeing aoe nerfed because of game difficulty and because of the seeming imbalance it has caused in the game.
perhaps then nerfing the necro skills would prove that being the underdoge in terms of casting damage and in terms of who if the first victim of the enemy attack they pick the weakest not healers not warriors or rangers. "claud is allways the first of the henh to die".
i could probably write this better if i wrote it out a fourth time but im tired and would like to have a nap

12/12/05 16:54

Julia Heartilly

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

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What the hell is wrong with Obsidian Flesh??

It's perfectly balanced as is, far from overpowered.

12/12/05 16:59

Redadare

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

I find this post completely baffling and unbelievable that people would be thinking of nerfing more skills.

I would be curious to know what the numbers are from the amount of people that play this game after the last update. Because it sure looks to me like that last update cost anet a heap of players.

I know this to be true in my guild because the guild is almost dead as players retreat to other games such as WOW and I can not blame them. After putting in so much time and effort into building up there characters plus the hundreds of thousands of gold it cost to equip these characters, just to have anet come along and destroy the abilities and strengthens of the characters.

This is main reason I will not build any more characters. I am staying with my warrior and waiting until the next expansion/addon or update to see where I go from here.

This game has become very boring for me as I don't play PVP or GVG. Where I see this game going is that it will become PVP only as the PVE is so out of whack that it is not funny.

When a LvL 15 enemy can play toe to toe with me (LvL 20) and still manage to survive longer than a few moments, yet when the roles were reversed I would die within 3 blows, this seems to be a tad biased towards the in game characters.

The pricing on the runes is a joke when you have such variances between buying and selling. I can sell a minor rune for more than a superior for some professions/skills. I can sell a Superior Absorption for 80K if I am lucky yet to buy it is 100K how can such a big variance be allowed? Then for a Major Absorption is worth 2k to sell.

What I am getting at here is the PVE part of the game is inconsistent and once you have completed missions and quest all that is left is farming. and as they do more to kill of this part of the game.the more ppl will leave in there numbers.

I enjoyed this part of the game before the update as I had a good chance of making some money towards the FOW armor which is ridiculously priced at 1.5 mil roughly, which is another story,

Programmers of this game need to get there act together or they will kill this game. And so far they are doing a good job of that.

The fact that some players have worked out how to best use there skills I think is great.
Now if anet need to even things up for the PvP or GvG part then fine but too kill the PvE part of the game is only going to see more and more ppl leave...

12/12/05 17:07

Jangles

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

Power Attack! As it stands right now, a warrior using this skill pwns way too much!

12/12/05 17:16

TarisDale

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Re: What skills do u think should be nerfed

blackphoenix wants us to nurf them all :O

next he will be saying "nurf them all and let Gwen sort them out"

well,,,

You will get my Hunters Shot when you pry it from my cold dead fingers lol

All throw cake @ blackphoenix if yu disagree with him ;)

12/12/05 17:23

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