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The True Myth
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I have to admit, to me its pretty annoying with all these posts about noob warriors (there's even an article about them).
Have you never, ever met a noob thats not a warrior?!
As im sure you have i dont understand why everybody focus on the noob warriors, and never mention the other professions. There are alot of noobs that screw your team there too, I promise you, but no1 seems to care about them!
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| 12/14/05 13:25 |
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Hammerite Rozsda
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hey dont take that article seriously, that was just for fun, check the word HUMOR in brackets :)
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| 12/14/05 13:27 |
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It's a fact that warrior is the most common class around, also, warrior is the class that is easiest to notice when messing about.
If an ele/mesmer/necro/ranger does something stupid no1 sees, if a monk does something stupid he can blame others, but when a warrior does stupid stuff, not only does the monk see it in detail (because he usually has the warrior highlighted) but the entire party feels it.
Because of that, people see more warriors goofing off, and now its become a cliché.
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| 12/14/05 13:28 |
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Most players who play Guild wars for the first time choose the warrior as profession, So thats why you see a lot of noob warriors xD ;P
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| 12/14/05 13:30 |
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Silly_Ranger
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People focus on Warrior's because they are just the worst offenders.
OK, lots of Warrior's are just people that dont care about anything but themselves (a sterotypical warrior). Most of them will never talk to the group and adrenaline cause troubles. When I played Warrior it annoyed me when I wanted to use it after gaining it because I didnt want to waste it. Still though, I tried not to do this.
Most warriors though will just rush to keep their adrenaline up (now you will see why Warriors always rush and aggro). Ah, rush and aggro. The 2 most annoying things in the game! You see? Warriors do the worst things to ruin a game. So, they are focused on.
Where as eles and that, well, they wont really rush or aggro because
1) Everyone knows that a tanking ele will just well... die!
2) They completly rely on energy so they wait for it to regen.
Each proffesion reflects on a person's personality. Unfortunetly, some warriors just fit their personality too well. There is always that other half though that are nice and wont rush. And, of course, there are ele's that will rush.
Er, dam this is long...
Rawrg
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| 12/14/05 13:35 |
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Lord_Skull_Crusher
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offcourse some warriors are noob,
But thats for every class.
i have to say some players i played with and did a very good job are warriors.
Personally i hate all these noob monks. (not saying all monks are noob :P)
just when i started a monk myself, i realised how stupid things some monks i play with do.
also the most party-leavers are monks.
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| 12/14/05 13:47 |
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| QUOTE | I have to admit, to me its pretty annoying with all these posts about noob warriors (there's even an article about them).
Have you never, ever met a noob thats not a warrior?! |
The articles were meant as humor and such. I even wrote one for the solo monk. Don't take them to heart.
I played as a newb through my warrior and ele. I will admit that I caused a lot of heartache as a warrior. It was through my warrior that it was suggested (niceley I might add) to play as a monk. I learned to play better as a monk. And as a monk, I saw how and what I was doing wrong not only as a warrior, but as my ele as well. It was an experience I relate to as an epiphany for me. Just like Lord Skull Crusher.
I still encourage people to play a monk at least once. You'll see things differently. It's just as silly says, it just more obvious with the warriors.
Peace.
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| 12/14/05 13:48 |
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I believe that Warriors should be the leader of the group, mainly because they are the ones that will most likely be able to absorb the most damage. It'd be dangerous to have a Spellcaster leading the group, since if there's an ambush or whatever, they're gonna die the easiest.
So, thinking that, now put a new player into that leadership role and you're gonna have problems. They won't know to attack the enemy tanks to take the aggro, they'll run ahead to the weakest enemy first. It's just a matter of the newb misunderstanding the role of the warrior. In other games, the warrior is one of the primary damage dealers, and it also makes sense that the guy with the sword/axe/hammer would make alot of damage. But they completely forget about the aspects of their armor, they can take MUCH more damage than the weak spellcasters. So they inadvertanly let the weakest armored people take the most damage.
This is why most people dislike warriors, the warriors themselves dont' understand their profession. With an Ele, there's really only one easy aspect, do damage. Monks, make sure your team stays alive.
Being a Warrior is much more complicated than most people believe. I think eles are the class that most people should start with. You aren't forced into a leadership role, it's common sense to stay behind the tank, and you learn the value of energy and patience.
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| 12/14/05 13:58 |
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Cheers cswella! :D
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| 12/14/05 14:22 |
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i think tht noob warrior just need time. my first charicter was a W/Mo because my cuz said it was good, but hard. i wanted a challenge so i started to play and i thought i was the most important race in a group. intil i came to later missions. so warrior just need practice.
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| 12/14/05 17:32 |
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There is a big difference between a leader and the one that leads the party into battle.
I would say that picking a leader just based on they are a warrior and we would see even more warriors lol.
Also those who start the party should not think it auto makes them the leader.
Noobs is a word that is getting old very quick and is only made to upset people. Yes!! there are dumb characters of all classes and normally just as bad as the humour post on warriors.
All this about noobs and leaders is sorted out when they get to the true "teamwork" mission of the game, then all we hear for ages is "thunderhead". Why carry on who is leader when teamwork is, or should be the main aim.
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| 12/14/05 18:28 |
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Couple of things to explain I see :-)
- Yes, my article, and Binarydumb's are ment tongue-in-cheek. Not to be taken personally.
- I personally differntiate between Newb and Noob. The former is someone who lacks experience and may make the occasional error in judgement as a result thereof. The latter is someone either unable or unwilling to learn from experience.
- It's my experience that because the Warrior seems a straight-forward build at first, a lot of newby players pick it. A lot of the noobs never go beyond that character or learn the true intricacies that go with this Profession.
The resulting effect is that there's relatively more noobish warriors than there are of other profession. That does in no way mean that there aren't noobish people playing other professions. Another part of it is that the rushing warrior tends to be more noticable and destructive than other forms of noobish behavior. So Noob-warriors tend to have a higher profile than others.
Personally I don't agree with some of the statements here that a Warrior should always be the tank / damage-soaker either. The Warrior can be a good damage dealer, sometimes dealer & soaker at the same time, but most damage dealing builds for Warriors do tend to lead to unwanted behavior when they rely to heavily on Adrenaline and the player won't wait for anyone.
To me, having a team-leader is a crutch to facilitate team-play, that is useful when playing with unfamiliar people. The same goes for calling. When you play a lot with people you know, you'll notice that Leadership and calling become less important as you grow more attuned to each other and actual team-play emerges.
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| 12/14/05 18:46 |
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Odd, why is there such a large area in my signature?
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| 12/14/05 18:48 |
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Good point and well said, TarisDale.
It is very important that BEFORE starting a mission that every body is aware of what is expected of them. But, if you don't tke the time to do so, you WILL run into problems. Talking whilst in the mission helps, but you cannot do better than before you start. Slow down, take time, and you shall fare better.
Communication and Execution-that's what is needed to beat the missions.
edit: Doh, the great Lani has beaten me and spoken.
*kneels in his presence.
/smiles
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| 12/14/05 18:53 |
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yes having played a warrior myself upto the point of the second titans quest i can agree that many noobs arent warriors and probably more than half warriors arent noobs.
i must admit it is a shame that "everyone" is focusing on the noob warriors.
in ->all<- the posts ive read there has been a comment that not all warriors are noobs.
nothing in the game it seems has the same comidy value.
im sorry but i still chuckle to myself thinking about some of the people ive met.
the person i respect most in the game is a warrior.
so am i infact most of the people who laugh the hardest also have a warrior on there start up screen.
i can see why your upset but they are all in good fun and some of the posts have come at a pretty heavy cost for most of the poster getting heavy neg cred no matter what they write.
maybee its time to start a thread about the posative things that we have seen from warriors who support the groups take a good commanding role and keep the group together.
the other day i was doing thunderhead keep again and met a
fantastic warrior who took the pug though it near flawlessly with only one death. a totally different way to how i normally go. a smiting monk was on the catapults and on every wave they moved straight to the enemy pinning them down so casters could move up behind. and when ever they found a new rout to the king that warrior was there hacking away.
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| 12/14/05 18:54 |
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People tend to think warriors are "noobs" because its more visible when they screw up badly or do something incredibly stupid.
Also, many people play their first character as a warrior...they look like your hero's hero. I actually played a monk as my first character, and that really helps with warrior behavior (of course, I rushed sometimes, but that was when I could have wiped out the group myself).
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| 12/14/05 19:09 |
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| QUOTE |
edit: Doh, the great Lani has beaten me and spoken.
*kneels in his presence.
/smiles
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And once again you flatter me shamelessly in hopes of getting my secret Java recipy.
Do it again please :-)
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| 12/14/05 19:24 |
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| QUOTE | And once again you flatter me shamelessly in hopes of getting my secret Java recipy.
Do it again please :-) |
Doh!
* with best sheepish "it wasnt me" look
Who me?
It's all I can do since I cant play tonight. I have to be at a company-wide manager's dinner meeting. Sigh. Withdrawal symptoms beginning to manifest themselves.
Oh well.
So what is the java recipe?
*ducks and quickly runs and hides
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| 12/14/05 19:38 |
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wat a coinsidence that this comes up today. Today I (a warrior) lead (called and everything) a group to a no death victory at Abbadon\'s Mouth. After I got complimented by everyone especially one of the monks who gave me a rune just becasue she was amazed that a warrior could be such a good leader. It actually is harder to be a good leader (proper leader) while being a warrior so in a way warriors can be very useful... not just meat shields.
sure ive had experience with a ranger and monk but still im proud to say that im a good warrior... no where near the best but a good one.
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| 12/14/05 19:54 |
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y isnt my sig showing?
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| 12/14/05 19:59 |
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well cause warroiors are the tanks on the game so they kinda keep the group moving.. besides the monks but with out warriors it we jsut be pets and minnions as tanks
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| 12/14/05 23:30 |
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well cause warroiors are the tanks on the game so they kinda keep the group moving.. besides the monks but with out warriors it we jsut be pets and minnions as tanks
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| 12/14/05 23:30 |
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im sorry, but most noobs that i see are warriors.
first of all, warriors are considered the easiest class to play, so many noobs play as them. and then, in pvp, they show exactly how nooby they are. As you may all know, it is important to rez your players as soon as possible so you can quickly get back in numbers. I see every class rez their allies except one. and that is the warrior class. the problem with them is they are too focused to take their target down, that they dont give a care about their teammates.
Still, i do see some noob monks or rangers at times, but i mostly it's warriors.
Then again, all the other classes have an advantage as they can easily see the whole battlefield while the warrior is close up to his target, unaware of what else could possibly be going on.
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| 12/14/05 23:39 |
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I guess I've seen mostly noob warriors, but there has been many of noob elementalists, rangers, and others. I agree that with the fact that most people start out as a warrior directly affecting the amount of noob warriors you play with.
I'll say this. I'd much rather play with a noob warrior and a noob elementalist or ranger. Warriors obviously take damage a little better. Dang, all this noob talk and I usually don't like that word!! lol
The worst is trying to help someone who doesn't know any better with respectful chat and having them telling you where to shove it and that they are not a noob. An elementalist who doesnt keep herders out of their aggro circle and constantly gets their spells interrupted from the stomps....might be a noob. A ranger that runs up to a group of foes and tries to lay traps....to be constantly interrupted...might be a noob.
You know I'm feeling a redneck joke coming on.
....Ya might be a Noob.. if.........
Wasn't there a thread 1001 ways you know you're addicted to GW?
Maybe there should be a thread...1001 ways..you might a noob!
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| 12/15/05 00:00 |
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