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i thought a good way to counter tainted flesh which is used in IWAY all the time.
All you need is a M/Me with Matyr(E) and Epidemic, possibly Arcane Echo aswell.
Usually fighting an way team nearl all your team gets diseased, with matyr all of those conditions get transferred to you, then with epidemic you can transfer all those negative conditions to the opposing team, thus using there own enchantment against them, and with Arcane ehco you can do it again in case you missed any foes on the other team.
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| 01/01/06 14:02 |
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Nihil Zarathustra
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Here i'll list all the counters that i know of to IWAY
1 & 2.) Spiker. Air or ranger with multi hit and poison will do more dmg than IWAY can heal. if the group is organized and one person calls a target and EVERYONE attacks that target then IWAY will be defeated almost instantly.
3.) Degen Masters. A group who's sole purpose is to throw out degen after degen on the other player causing them all to have a constant degen of 9 at all times.
4.) Smite circle. Get a group of monks that are smiter/healers, have them bunch up and move together and cast bal's aura and whatnot. The dmg in that circle is quite bad. roughly 240 dmg/second.
5.) Better IWAY group. Do i have to even explain?
6.) EoE bomb team. When that baby goes off, nothing's gonna be left standing.
7.) good balanced build. A balanced build filled with good players can defeat any other build out there since there are no specific counters to a balance build but only counters to the players in it.
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| 01/01/06 14:08 |
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supersayaingoku
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not bad but there are plenty of other ways to stop it
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| 01/01/06 14:10 |
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Ryolan Levi
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I honestly really don't see why IWAY is that populair. I fought them quite a lot of times now and have never been defeated by an IWAY team. Not that much of a threat in my opinion.
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| 01/02/06 10:39 |
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Punisher Zero
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people use IWAY(i even do one of my favs) because its the best build there is for "Fame Farming"... u win at least 3 in a row if u know what ur doing.. hell ive even won HOH with IWAY before.. so there actually very powerful and we won the first 3 matches against smite balls, minion factory, and air spiking which proves that they can EASILY be defeated by IWAY.. so IWAY isnt that bad at all.. just make sure ur team knows what they're doing and if u can get a guild group or a group of ur friends and go win a few and hope for the best..
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| 01/03/06 09:14 |
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XMegidoX
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We played the worst IWAY team ever once in the burial mounds section...
We were MF and 1 of our MMs had to go and one of our saccers had to go afk! And we still won!
We let the iway come and kill the saccer owned them with half of our possible army then rebirthed the saccers across the map ftw =D
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| 01/04/06 04:13 |
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Jamnog
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spitefull spirit + mark of pain + rotting flesh + a curse degen faint heartedness gives a degen of 3 to add to the degen of 4 thats on rotting flesh if someone could add poison to the mix perhaps necrotic transversal. you have 3 degens and it takes a lump out of him when ever he hits.
life transfer negates the regen life siphon adds to this there is a good degen build in the guides.
and this has been mentioned in the thread all ready but once to cancel out the regen its jhust a matter of hitting with some power.
shadow strike perhaps and dark pact they might seem a little weak but shadow damage negates armor and warriors kind of rely on armor.
deathly chill is nice and its a bit quicker than swarm.
its more important to try and work as a team on the one guy and move on to the next the attack speed is a strength of the warrior so weakness may help. as ive said before however i dont know pvp but iway doesnt looks that special on its own. the warrior who comes into battle with just one skill would be surpising i think is there any more information than iway? increased attack speed and regen doesnt sound too bad to me if i have decrease attack speed and degen :/
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| 01/04/06 09:26 |
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BuddyLeeX
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This is WAY off topic but does anyone thinkg barrage owns?
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| 01/04/06 09:34 |
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it's quite a good idea using martyr and epidemic, the only thing is you be trying to put disease onto the iways and tainted flesh not only put's disease onto any attacking foe, it also makes them immune to getting it, so you wouldn't be able to give them the disease. BTW slightly off subject, but am i the only one that has noticed people tend to get disease and poison mixed together? It has been more than once that i have been told not to use apply poison because tainted flesh will disease them. So? won't a bit more degen be a help? is this just me?
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| 01/04/06 10:02 |
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| QUOTE | | This is WAY off topic but does anyone thinkg barrage owns? |
No.
On topic:
There are loads of ways to counter IWAY but people still dont get it. Gaile said it herself. No one gets it though, they're too busy bitching about IWAY beeing unbalanced. Wards, Aegis loads of things can stop them from hitting you. LOADS! All it takes is a prot. and even then, that prot. is usfully vs any build.
Everyone says "oooh! There is toooo much IWAY though!", I don't get why this is a problem. When IWAY came, I was the one farming THEM! Face it, there is a 80% chance of playing IWAY (Well, there used to be) so why dont you get a team that will mainly just wipe them out. [MATH] are easy to counter, if I was given the chance to unrated them while they play IWAY well, I know they're IWAY (Given that you cant always know what your playing), it doesn't take much to kill IWAY. What people dont get though, is that there are counters, the problem why you cant counter some IWAY teams is because they are a good IWAY (i.e [MATH]!) People call them "noobs" but think about it, the ordinary IWAY team is a bunch of nooby people that cant find teams and can't be patient, they just want fame (which as many people say in this game doesn't make such a difference) Trust me, I have R3 and I dont show off my Rank EVERY chance I get, when I first got it, yeah. I used it loads because it was so cool. After a while though, you will realise its just something nice to do. People that show their R3 allllll the time I just think used IWAY because I wasn't so impatient about getting R3, I didnt want it so I could just do it in people's face.
I personally HATE IWAY though, I truely do. Its a cheap way to win battles, but them people that use it to get R3 will realise that they havn't actually earned it, they will live with that shame that they used this build. When someone asks you how you got it, what are you going to say? Farmed it? Thats not called "earning" something, its just wanting something. I was PvPing before all faction, IWAY and all that. The FOTM was air spike, which it had been for ages. I used it alot, it was never overpowered though, I was able to die easy. A unorgainsed party is a crap party. A good organised build ([MATH]) are really good and dont deserve some people's crap at them. When you think "Euh, a rank ## guild cant kill a IWAY team!" That's not how it works, these people have deserved it. They work really well as a team.
When I was R3 and fame didn't mean anything to me, I wanted to investiage the new "IWAY" fashion. They were adding any old W/R and then when we we in they said "Attack anything". What does that mean to me? That's rubbish.
The whole "IWAY" issue is partly ANet's fault though, they should have done something about it earlier. IWAY was popular then, and still is after so long! The other problem are the people that support IWAY be using it, I understand people just "want" to get fame. This isn't the way though, make it so you feel yourself you have earned it. When Igot R3 in Eu districts it was actually quite rare, not many people had it. I stopped PvPing in tombs for months (also when IWAY started) A month or 2 later, I was seeing everyone being R3-6 and asking for IWAY! Of course, I was mad. I earned it and now here are these people using IWAY. "Farming fame" is something big, I feel that all that time I spent trying to get my R3 have been wasted. I dont feel like it means ANYTHING now, R3 to me now means one thing: IWAY.
Im going on too much, but there are 2 things that are the problem with this: ANet and people that use it.
Edit: Sorry, lots of typos. I just got back from a first day of school for the term and im shattered. I still havn't fixed them though :/ Gotta do stuff ><
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| 01/04/06 10:21 |
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Mann
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I dunno about all of you, but I don't mind it being there at all. Sure, the fame farming has been done and all, but it's not as effective as before. So I stopped doing HoH because I got tired of random unorganized groups, however, I did learn a lot from it though, and gained a lot of knowledge. IWAY has been too easily counterable. It used to be that IWAY was just a simple, random people group to come together. Now, people actually have to organize IWAY groups to be able to stay alive.
Let's list the ways that IWAY dies.
I'll start with a full monk group. 8 monks. That may be looked down upon, but it's because not so many take the time to think about, not saying that one should always... anyways. Remember the funny 55hp monk? In a usual IWAY group, they have no poison or bleeding. It's always 'I USE AXE because AXE is BEST for IWAY. Don't use the sword, omg.' There for, even a 55hp 8monk team can do just as well. However, the actual build for this for what I have been using, have been 3 smiting monks with hammer, 2 healing, 2 protection, and one with a mix. Of course, definitely not limited. But come on, 3 monks smashing on people? That's unheard of.
The ranger spike! Oh wonderful arrows that can pierce through the funny warriors brains. I could stop by saying 'nuff said,' however, it does take an organized group to start up things. A ranger spike should not be just a spike. That's just horrible. Why? Well first thing, rangers are the jack of all trades. Just being a ranger, you can do so many things! Therefore, utilizing all your skills formed and organized with other people, can make it through. For example, everyone has at least 2-3 different sort of spikes. Then, you got the few who will set traps around to slow down, hinder, and possibly even kill. Then you got the other few who can put on cripple and poison. Really now!
Elementalist. Keeping it short here... wards. Wards. Wards? Wards... Wards. Really, just putting those around and cycling through keep those funky warriors walking.
Necromancers/Mesmers, Mesmers/Necromancers. A death wish, I can assure you. They drain, they stop, they kill. Seriously. These guys can take out warriors without much effort. Just have to be organized.
I just don't know why people are complaining about it. Hm... maybe I'm just as not into HoH as some of you are. But yes, I can understand it's annoying. But why not do something else, like actually organize a way that will get you to the TOP. Instead of just beating a funny IWAY team.
FYI, I only know of about 5 guilds that will usually do an HoH team that is actually smart about it.
Oh, and is TS or whatever necessary? No. But it does help a lot! As a reminder. Lots of IWAY groups use it so they know who to go after first, when to res fast, or when to move. Being able to counter that, could lead you to victory. Heck, not just for IWAY, but many others.
Edit: Hah! Ranger has school! And I have a month off! :D But I got work. :(
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| 01/04/06 10:38 |
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Jamnog
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silly is right but in the same way people see iway as being strong skill there is a strong skill for every profession those skills are weak against other skills.
i could say that choking gas and poison arrow and interupting shot are kind of anoying to me that as most of my skills take just long enough to cast that they are perfect entertainment for rangers. but if i slow you down and put rigor mortis on you there might be a chance to degen ya to death. probably wont get the first spell in but worth trying
i wont even start to complain about mesmers because i get to see them knocked about by hammer blows. even if mesmers do totally mess up my carfully planed energy.
monks change allmost everything in the game they can make someone seemingly immortal and stuff up all my hexes and diseases and poisons usually the answer to most things but with low armor its not so hard to see why they have something better than armor (prot spells)
hmm ele slows me down blinds me interupts me does incredible amounts of damage metior not metior storm why dont people archane acho that? and use gliff of energy and gliff of lesser energy inbetween? or just echo it two should finnish me off.
so i way has a ring to it because its easy to use you do have to have something die ok its a pet so your skills are gone (for 8 seconds?) it works clearly because people dont counter it properly. but i havent countered anythhing properly and ive been trying pvp for a long time so if anyone is to blame for the massive amounts of fame its people who wander in not knowing whats going on. your rank might not mean much but as lyssa would say you cant tell how good someone is by looking at there armor or by looking at a spangly elk. you have to see them play and as far as thats conserned.. i forgot what i was talking about.. oh yeah never rely on gimmiks they should have a special sort of elk or perhaps have it so the charicter they play with during the pvp thing is the only one who can use the emote.
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| 01/04/06 10:58 |
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Silly_Ranger
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| QUOTE | | silly is right but in the same way people see iway as being strong skill there is a strong skill for every profession those skills are weak against other skills. |
Actually, I believe something in it was nerfed, so yes. IWAY has already been nerfed once.
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| 01/04/06 11:17 |
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lani
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The way I see it IWAY is a mediocre build.
It's popular because it's the most effective build to farm fame, but why is that?
Out of every ten groups entering Tombs, one, maybe two are well build teams, another two are IWAY teams and the rest of them, six or seven, are random pick-up groups which are badly build teams. With an IWAY team you can sweep the floor with all those badly build teams. Their main problem is a half-way decent team and they'll have to start over the moment they hit a good build. Some IWAY teams have become so experienced that they can judge the quality of their opponents in less than a minute and will simply drop out and reform if they see a team that might actually make them work. As such, IWAY is a luggard's Build and certainly not something to be proud of.
But as there's literally countless of counters against it, not something that needs to be nerfed. All it takes to beat it is a bit of skill and team-work.
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| 01/04/06 11:23 |
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Rin Trueshot
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Get a team full of N/Me's
Everyone takes one opponent and casts Life Transfer + Siphon + Phantom Pain/Phantasm
Bam, everyone dead.
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