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Valerik

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Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

Posted this on the DDO boards and sharing it here:

Greetings,

Below is my start at a Brand New Warfored Fighter. Lets try to keep the comments positive and see how a Warforge Fighter actually shakes out.

I will attempt to update this as I progress thru the game over the next 3 days in the Pre-view.

BASE STATS

Str 8
Dex 8
Con 10
Int 8
Wis 6
Cha 6

STATS after spending 28 points: (Discussion on stats requested)

STR 16
Dex 12 (+1 to AC)
Con 17
Int 10
Wis 10
Cha 6

Chosen Feats:

Adamantite Body
2 Handed Fighting (+1 to Attack and damage)

Starting Stats:

HP 33
AC 19 +2
Fort +5
Reflex +1
Will 0
Base Attack +1
Spell Resistance 0
Fortification 25%
Damage Reduction 2/Adamantite

Skill Points Spent:

Intim 4
Repair 4
Swim 2
Jump 2

Starting Feats: (P=Passive)

Adamantite Body (p)
Composite Plating (p)
Defensive Fighting
Heroic Durability (p)
Martial Weapons (P)
Shield - General (p)
Simple Weapons (p)
Sneak
Sunder
Tower Shield Proficiency (p)
Trip
Two Handed Fighting
Warforged Resistances (+4 to sleep, energy drain, nausea, exhaustion, poison, disease, Paralysis effects)

ACTION POINTS OFFERED (** =Selected) (1 AP offered at 1.1 and 1.2 so far)

** Construct Thinking I (+2 to Will Based Saves)
** Fighters Action Boost I (+3 to AC, +3 to Attack, Haste.. selectable, 5 charges per rest, duration 20 seconds, cooldown 30 seconds))
Healers Friend I (+10% benefit from divine healing)
Item Defense I ( 25% reduction to item wear)
Skill Recovery I ( +3 to Heal and Repair skills)
Skill Tactics I (+3 to intimidate and Tumble skills)
Warforged Durability I ( +2 passive bonus to Repair and Balance skills)

COMMENTS:

Fighters Action Boost taken as first Action Point.
Wooden Tower Shield adds +4 to AC

This fighter solo'd all beginning quest to include "The Low Road" and took a total of 7 points of damage, the highest damage was 4 from the Shaman at the end of the Low Road. As mentioned in other posts the Warforged Fighter is a walking killing machine in the early levels. (.... For I am the Meanest SOB in the Valley).

There are Wands of Repair being sold by vendors just as there are Wands of Light Healing. (Used by players with Use Magic Device Skills, i.e. cleric/Sor/Wiz etc.

Please keep this thread Positive. Comments / Suggestions welcomed.

Scythe of Death
1.2 Warforged Fighter

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01/19/06 21:38

thejeni

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

1st off WELCOME to the site Valerik!

I can't give you to much in the feedback section b/c I haven't played a warforged yet, and I've only been playing beta for a couple of days. But I can say after reading your build and comments, I just might have to make a warforged.

And just so you know we don't allow any of that pesky flaming and what not so you don't have to give a warning on Gameamp to keep the thread positive. We want all threads here positive.

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01/19/06 22:11

Valerik

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

Greetings,

Thanks for the welcome.

I played a Warfoge Fighter during my 10 day beta without paying too much attention to its abilities/lack of.

I have read on the DDO boards to much negitive information, especially players who "will not" group with them due to the divine healing only healing for 50%.

Now with Wands of Repair in the game that can be used by any magic user and the sor/wiz seeing the benefits of having the Repair Spell I wanted to give accurate feedback on the race.

"IF" players are correct on higher level Warforge Fighters being "gimped" compared to fighters of equal level I will surely let you know.

In the mean time, from lvl 1 to 3... you are the meanest mother in the valley....

01/19/06 23:49

Redweaver

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

Welcome to the forums!

There are two main reasons people think Warforged are "gimped".
1. They are not as "immortal" as they are in Paper and Pencil(PnP) D&D. They have to breathe in DDO, their other resistances are toned down from PnP, and they can't wear all the many suits of armor in game, but must use a docent, which are somewhat rare because they take up less space on the loot tables than other armors.
2. Old MMO thinking that only clerics can heal. Since they only get half healing from divine sources, MMOers feel they are weakened. Find a wizard or a sorcerer and make a friend. I play a wizard, and I love my warforged friends...because I get to play cleric.

Onto your character...

STR 16
Dex 12 (+1 to AC)
Con 17
Int 10
Wis 10
Cha 6

Decent choices for a fighter type. Since heavier armors reduce the amount of Dex bonus you can add to your AC, your 12 Dex is just fine. More Con than Str puts you into the tank role, rather than damage dealer. You may want to rethink this for metagaming reasons...there are no levers, switches or runes that work off of a high Con, but many that need a Str of 18+. Bull's Strength will take the edge off this though, so maybe collect potions, keep a stock of wands, and talk to your wiz/sorc friend about keeping the buff memmed for you.

Adamantite Body
2 Handed Fighting (+1 to Attack and damage)

I can't remember if Adamantine or Mithril is the heavier of the two...whichever is better AC is the one you want for this build, I think. Since later you mention tower shields a couple times, you may want to change out 2HF a for more sword and board friendly feat. Weapon Focus, Shield Mastery and it's improved form, etc.

For your next 2 action points, I'd suggest Item Defense, because item repair can be a real money sink, and Warforged Durability, because both bonuses will be useful to you.

Keep us updated on how it goes in higher levels, and record your Action Point offerings for the site's list, please.

Sounds like this will be a fun character to play! =)

Have fun, do it well, and share your knowledge.

01/20/06 00:04

Valerik

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

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Welcome to the forums!

I play a wizard, and I love my warforged friends...because I get to play cleric.

I also created a Wizard and put that I love to heal Warforge in my BIO page and when I put LFG on in the comments section I added Warforge Healer..... had more group invites than real clerics...hahaha

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Onto your character...

STR 16
Dex 12 (+1 to AC)
Con 17
Int 10
Wis 10
Cha 6

Decent choices for a fighter type. Since heavier armors reduce the amount of Dex bonus you can add to your AC, your 12 Dex is just fine. More Con than Str puts you into the tank role, rather than damage dealer. You may want to rethink this for metagaming reasons...there are no levers, switches or runes that work off of a high Con, but many that need a Str of 18+. Bull's Strength will take the edge off this though, so maybe collect potions, keep a stock of wands, and talk to your wiz/sorc friend about keeping the buff memmed for you.

My current Warforge character was created on the 1st day of the 3 day preview and you were lucky to even get a character made. During my 10 day beta I ran into 2 STR levers/traps etc and only a 16STR was required. I would have loved to start with an 18 STR (max) but the initial cost via points (3-4 per for 17/18) I felt were better used in different areas. As a test I went in and created a Warforge Fighter with 18Str (max) and 20 Con (max) and there where not enough points left to bring any other stats up to a acceptable level. I am thinking of reducing the 17 Con to 16 and putting the 2 points in WIS for the saves.

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Adamantite Body
2 Handed Fighting (+1 to Attack and damage)

I can't remember if Adamantine or Mithril is the heavier of the two...whichever is better AC is the one you want for this build, I think. Since later you mention tower shields a couple times, you may want to change out 2HF a for more sword and board friendly feat. Weapon Focus, Shield Mastery and it's improved form, etc.

Yes Adamantite is the +8 Heavy Armor. I mentioned the tower shield since that was a Feat given to the Fighter without selecting it (if I remember correctly others have to choose that feat to get Tower Shield Prof). As you recall there are a few areas where a melee is best suited "blocking" a door way/forming a wall and a Warforged Fighter with a Tower Shield and Bastard Sword will do the job nicely. You path for Shield Mastery etc is a very valid path it is just a "personal" choice to go 2 handed at the current time. IF fighters do get a good amount of feats both roads maybe a possibility.

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For your next 2 action points, I'd suggest Item Defense, because item repair can be a real money sink, and Warforged Durability, because both bonuses will be useful to you.

Keep us updated on how it goes in higher levels, and record your Action Point offerings for the site's list, please.

Sounds like this will be a fun character to play! =)

Agree with the next 2 action points.... see next message in the thread.

Thank You for the great response.
Scythe of Death, Warforged Fighter 1.3

01/20/06 10:19

Valerik

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

FOLLOW-UP:

Before I begin let me say that even though I am soloing quest it is only to test the Warforged Fighter and as the quest get harder grouping is the only way to go.

DING 1.3

At level 1.3 I was given a choice of an additional Action Point. There was no chance to the available Action Points listed in the first post.

I selected ITEM DEFENSE I (25% Reduction to item wear) to offset the cost of repairing items. Although the Warforge does not have to repair their armor other items do wear out. Docents, when I finally get one will be an additional follow-on message.

When I ding 1.4 I will be taking WARFORED DURABILITY I (+2 to Repair and Balance) The repair will assist in the number of HP returned at rest areas and the Balance will help with my own knockdowns. Since my Balance Skill is low now I am being knocked down at least once a fight, not good.

Scythe of Death
Warforged Fighter 1.3

p.s. And yes I will be playing a Warforged Fighter in the full game and will keep a running log here for us to enjoy.

01/20/06 10:31

Valerik

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

OWNED.......... ouchy

Well having a swelled head as a Warforge Fighter and only about 30min to kill I went and did The Millers quest on HARD.

This is the very 1st quest you get once you enter the harbor, kill a few Steel Dogs and done.

OK, lets do the quest again on Hard and see how the Warforged Fighter does....

DOGS 1 Warforged 0

They owned me, I was rolling 18s, 19s, and 20s and still registering MISS... I changed weapons thruout the fight (2 dogs at once) Greatsword, Great Club, Great Axe, Sword & Board.. hit my Haste/AC/Atk buff, drank all my healing pots and still went down.

Humble Pie does not taste good.

01/20/06 17:16

thejeni

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

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Those little puppies really hurt... I'm playing a human barbarian right now and they really took me a while to take down

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01/20/06 20:14

Valerik

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

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Those little puppies really hurt... I'm playing a human barbarian right now and they really took me a while to take down

On normal they are 1 or 2 shot hits with the Greatsword, move along, wack another...

Of course I have to try again.... lol

01/20/06 20:23

thejeni

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On normal they are 1 or 2 shot hits with the Greatsword, move along, wack another...

Of course I have to try again.... lol

those guys always give me problems... w/ their metal hide and that black inky stuff they spit out at you..... grrrrr metal puppies!

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01/21/06 01:48

Valerik

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

Well way too many crashes and lag beyond belief to finish out the testing of the fighter.

I managed to ding 1.4 but nothing new to report in that area.

I have submitted a screen shot of the fighter while he is wearing a DOCENT (upgrade to the basic armor for a warforged, chest item). I never got a Docent from loot but traded for 2 of them:

1. Docent - no change to stats but change to appearance
2. Masterwork Docent - Looks the same as a Docent but has a "Lessen Armor Check Penality by -1)

01/22/06 06:44

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

I've played several Warforged characters, and I enjoyed them. Please keep us updated with your testing. :) Sadly, I've lost my taste for DDO Warforged, and they are my favorite tabletop race to play. DDO needs to give them back some of their racial advantages - since it has kept all of their racial negatives.

One suggestion - run from Rust Monsters. Use ranged-weapons, and if they charge you - just run like hell. Their attacks kill a 'Forged faster than anything else in the game. After all - your made from their favorite snack foods.

01/23/06 02:23

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those are some sweet builds man. keep up the good work!

03/06/06 09:15

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

Absolutely had to join in on this. Had some REAL good experience with my Warforged Fighter.

Did a STR 18 build. 1st level was like a 3 hour tour, yes a 3 hour tour...

Basic quests in the first area (actually did the golem fighter thing at all 3 levels) took like maybe 15 minutes.

Ran all the starter quests solo without stopping...and never took any damage (Adamantium Body works wonders), and the weapon focus really made striking targets much easier. The STR made killing MUCH faster.

Once I made it past the main gate, the first quest was a breeze. (Iron Defenders) and yea...as a glutton for punishment I tried it on hard...

The first 4 dogs were a joke, I pounded them to dust. I had a 22 AC, so no probs killing them. Now, that last named dog...sheesh. That was a SHORT fight. He hit me so fast it was sick. Every other swing he was hitting me. And every 4th or 5th I was hitting him. (Even with attack boost) So the fight ended up with me and my first death.

So, I ran the Kobold Cheiftan quest 2 times to level to 2. Picked up my tower shield, Masterwork Longsword and went back. 24 AC, +8 to hit base, +11 with boost...and went back for that metal puppy. Downed him in 10 seconds flat. I think he hit me 1 time on a crit. The experience was total crud though compared to the kobold quest.

I am currently Level 2 Rank 2, i have a +1 Docent (Makes me look like a Tron guy), +1 Battle Axe and loads of other beefy items. (boots and gloves and stuff). I will pretty much tnak anything. I have a 25 AC and do 6-13 damage a hit. +8 base to-hit and +11 boosted. My skills suck...because Tower Shields are -10 skills. I do have a Masterwork Heavy Steel Tower Shield now though...so it's tougher and lighter...hehehe.

I am my parties tank, I can take the damage and dish it out.

03/06/06 11:47

thejeni

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

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Absolutely had to join in on this. Had some REAL good experience with my Warforged Fighter.

I am my parties tank, I can take the damage and dish it out.

1st off Welcome to the site, Lostgunman!

And your WF sounds like a blast to play. If you don't mind answering what are your other stats? I mean w/ str of 18, where did you take the loss at?

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03/06/06 12:00

lostgunman

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

well...i did leave Charisma at 6 and wisdom at 6. Really saw no need. and since i picked up the only other enhancement worth it in the Warforged/Fighter category...+2 will saves. I figured it balanced out.

I now know what it feels like to FEAR shamans now though. Stupid things keep casting fear on me, and of course I fail REALLY often now...but the tradeoff is the extra to-hit and damage.

I think my Dex is 12 (Adamantium armor maxes at +1) and i think the rest went inot CON. that's about it. I filled the roll of tank/damage dealer nicely.

I'll post the real full stats as soon as i get home from work.

03/06/06 16:36

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

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So having char and wis that low effects what? does this mean your will saves are lower? And is dex important in bait?

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03/06/06 22:14

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

well the -wis will get you a - mod on will saves as well as - checks on some skills, as will the - cha, it really depends on how much stock you put in that with a fighter. I'm not sure what you mean with the dex in bait comment. I think he just did that to max out his AC since adimantium body only allows for a max dex bonus of +1, you can have a higher dex bonus but it wont affect you AC after +1.

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03/07/06 09:07

lostgunman

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

Yea, my Will save suffers, but I have the enhancement that evens it out. (mainly because there were few will saves I needed it for early on...mainly Fear hits me pretty often)

Dex is at 12 for a +1 mod. which is max with the adamantium add-on for warforged anyway, so I didn't increase it any more than that.

My stats are as follows: (I think)
STR 18
DEX 12
CON 16
INT 8
WIS 6
CHA 6

I was making a tough Hombre' that could deal the damage. Chose Adamantium Body and Weapon focus: Slashing as my feats at first level, Power Attack as my 2nd level feat, and I just hit 3rd and chose Cleave. I am using a +1 Battle Axe mostly and a +1 Large Shield with a +1 Docent. Giving me like a 22 AC. I have like 59 HP at level 3, and can run any level 2 quest solo now. Most everything you fight is kobolds anyway, wish I had a Reptile Bane weapon :(

03/07/06 09:43

thejeni

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RE: Care and Feeding of Your Warforged Fighter

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Yea, my Will save suffers, but I have the enhancement that evens it out. (mainly because there were few will saves I needed it for early on...mainly Fear hits me pretty often)

Once you get higher level will this effect you a whole lot? I have no idea how many will saves you do in the higher level dungeons.

I've been so afraid of messing with my stats (yes I am using a pre-gen character)... I don't want to "gimp" my character because I don't know enough about the effect stats have on them.

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