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lani

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Should two games mean two sites?

Hi all!
As you're all very much aware, Guild Wars: Factions will be coming out Real Soon Now...
As we've learned Factions will be a standalone game which can interact to a very great extent with the Guild Wars Classic game. This has set me to wondering whether it'd be a good or a bad idea to set up a seperate fan-site for it on the Gameamp Network. Like we did for the Cities of Heros & Villains. I'd like to know how you all feel about that though.

Here's the different thoices you have concerning Guild Wars: Factions:
1) You can choose to not buy Guild Wars: Factions but stay with Guild Wars: Classic. Nothing much will change, though you'll meet people playing Factions while you are in Classic's PvE campaign.
2) You can buy Guild Wars: Factions and use its key to set up a seperate account for it. You'll get 4 + n* character slots to play Guild Wars Factions with. The PvE Campaign of that game will be completely seperate and you Guild Wars: Classic experience will remain pretty much the same as with choice #1.
3) You can buy Guild Wars: Factions and combine it's key to upgrade your existing Guild Wars: Classic account. You will then get n* extra Character slots with which you can play either PvE campaign and moreover, you PvE characters will be able to travel back and forth between the two campaigns.

* we do not know at this point what the number 'n' is. It's somewhere between 2 and 100 :-)

It's very likely that you, our community, will be choosing all of these, so we'll be having a rather (more) diverse community in a few months if we stick to one site. Creating a new one would necessitate making a choice here on Gameamp as well, much along the same general lines of the above three. So think about this for a bit and tell me here in this thread what'd be your choices, on both counts.

01/24/06 09:19

Genesis_Dragon

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

Noooo!

It's one game two campaigns...

A forum each, and a mixed forum would seperate the two fine...

I'll have both, and I wont have time for two sites, I spend too much time on here as it is... :D

01/24/06 09:25

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

I dont believe we need another site, sure, factions will be a separate game, but at heart many of us still see it as an expansion/add on. The site could possibly be updated to incorparate Factions by adding new skills, maps etc into the original website.

Also most people in this community will probably buy factions and they obviously already own Classic, i think it would be annoying having to webbys up to post topics, whereas if we stuck with one we could post about factions and classic in the same website.

However saying this the website could become more confusing with more content, this is a good reason to make a seperate factions website.

Well ive actually kinda confused myself now havnt I lol?? :SSS

Na i think you should stick with what ya got and just update it to incorparate factions.

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01/24/06 09:27

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

i agree with one. i think you should just think about updating this web page to include a bit about GW1 and another bit to include GW2. and within these bits there should be the different missions for each chapter but shouldn't include things from the different chapter. but i suggest keeping the forum and the rest the same. if you dont understand what im typing it doesnt matter cos i dont either. but what im ment to say is have to different sections for each chapter but in the same place(if you know what i mean)

01/24/06 09:36

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

I agree, I think...

One site. Add more forums and more staff.

01/24/06 09:36

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

Well I am over here from the CoH site to invade you guys for just a minute.

With your guys impending expansion/stand-alone game Fations(sp?), we had something very simmiler happen to us over on the CoH side when CoV came out. It might streamline things a bit more for you guys having things on seperate sites because then people that are new to the game will be able to figure things out a bit easier. Also for the people that don't get the upgrade it will keep them from having to wade through many post dealing with all the new content. On the flipside having all the content on one site will make it easy for the veterns of GW to find what they want and make it so you don't have to jump between two sites.

Jumping between two sites is not to bad though I manage to do it all day long and keep up to date with all the going ons with both CoH and CoV.

So there is my little bit to hopefully help and not confuse you guys from the point of view of a gamer that has already been through this situation.

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01/24/06 12:00

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

I'm thinking that a second forum should be set up.

the guides/tips/other things will not apply to all of our members, and would get pretty cluttered... HOWEVER most people will have both, so it might be advantageous to just setup with more staff and keep the same site.

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01/24/06 12:16

lani

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

So far most people with the exception of the august Warshadow (who afaik doesn't play GW ;-P ) seem to be in favor of sticking with one site. To be honest, that's where my own inclinations lie. But I'd like to see more opinions on ths.
Yes this is a bump.

I don't think having one or two sites would differently affect staff's workload, but I do love the 'just updat this and that' remarks. I consider mapping out a new 'world', new skills, new armors, new bosses and whatnot to be a tad more work than the word 'just' conveys to me ;-)

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01/24/06 13:23

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

A second place on the Gameamp Network. Talking about cross things is really confusing. 'Especially if new people are coming to the site. They wont know the difference.

I vote 2 sites and somehow link them so there is some mix. Alternativley, people could always just flick one to the other because it would give us more to do while at Gameamp xD

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01/24/06 13:28

Nihil Zarathustra

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

keep it as one site is good i guess. the most likely effect is that GW1 material will become burried in favor of GW2 but chances are that will happen even if you have 2 sites where the GW1 site posts will diminish and GW2 site posts will increase.

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01/24/06 13:30

NecroRebel

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

Both have advantages and disadvantages. If we keep things as one site, we'll be constantly having to amend advice on the forums to be applicable to the dual nature of Guild Wars, but we'll also be able to have a more consistent data source.

However, Factions probably isn't going to be the last Guild Wars that comes out. If we make a seperate page for Factions, we'll also have to make a seperate page for the future games as well. This will eventually make it so that we have way too many sites for those of us who are staff now to police, so we'll need more staff as well.

I'm going to have to suggest single site setup. Seems like less work to me. Besides, guildwarsfactions.gameamp.com just sounds weird ;)

01/24/06 13:33

Hammerite Rozsda

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

keep it one plz!!

01/24/06 13:35

Lord_Skull_Crusher

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

Yes i think one site will be better.
Maybe 2 different forums though, to keep it less confusing.
Or maybe always ask if your topic is about factions or about classic, and make the classic topics another color as the factions topics, so you can instantly see if its about factions or about classic. And offcourse the same thing for guides, screenshots, and so on.
I dont know if its a good idea, and if it will be possible, and if im clear enough :)

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01/24/06 13:38

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

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01/24/06 13:39

Lord_Skull_Crusher

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

i know it!
how about 3 sites!
1 for people who only play classic, one for factions, and one for both!

j/k

01/24/06 13:39

Nihil Zarathustra

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

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01/24/06 13:42

Xavier_Darkraven

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

I'm not sure if there are certain gameamp wide layout guidelines you have to stick to or not. But I would be more in favour of 1 site with a slightly revised sitemap structure to make it all fit in well. However with another site you could give it an oriental makeover theme which would be quite tasty.

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01/24/06 13:44

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

I say, keep it to one website and maybe have links that link you to factions or just classic.

i dont know about you but i would get confused posting on 2 websites at the same time :P

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01/24/06 14:03

Rogue

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

two sites would mean more work

one site would mean more work

which more work is more work?

two sites.

you'd need to first set up the new one new graphics and everything

then you'd need to build up it's info, and lani has already started posting the assassin and ritualist skills HERE... so there's some work already done ;)

one site i think would be better (this contradicts my earlier post though)

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01/24/06 14:04

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

Yes... 2 Campaigns... 2 Sites...

01/24/06 20:38

cswella

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

I say, one site. Because for people who are new to Guild Wars and are starting in Factions, alot of the info on this site is still useable to them. Just make two Master Forums, place all the topics in GW1 and make a fresh GW2.

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It's like taking two sites, and layering them together.

And, if it's feasible, make two recent Forum windows in the home page, one GW1 and another GW2.

Keep all the similar info together, like keep the skills link the same, and keep the runes link the same, etc.

I'd like to have just one site, so then I don't have to keep track of two different ones. Us older gamers might still have info to part to the newer ones, and two sites would just leave this one void of experienced players.

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01/24/06 20:48

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

Let us also not forget that there will probably be a lot more campaigns coming out for Guild Wars in the coming years. Do we really want to eventually have 10 different sites for each of the different campaigns? I think it should all stay as one site and just have separations in the forums and what not.

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01/24/06 20:51

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

Here's my thought, and I only half read the replies so maybe somebody else had the same idea. Anyway, here it is:

We keep the one site (for much less confusion) but we have a way of distinguishing which chapter something is in. Like, Factions-only professions can be labeled for factions, then the rest will be labeled all. Too much is similar to put it on another site.

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01/24/06 20:57

immunis

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

Personally i come to this site every day, literally its like my home away from home cuz i dont have GW at work. I plan on purchasing factions as soon as it gets over here. So i personally like the idea of one site due to the fact i dont want to be switching between both sites and shifting through two sites, etc etc. I know a lot of you feel this way. HOWEVER consider this, we have to take into consideration new people so off the top of my head im going to create a pros and cons list cuz i can:

Single Site Pro's

- No switching
- Easy navigation for those of us owning both
- quick information on EVERYTHING we need
- Small addition to the GW staff
- No switching between 2 sites
- No mixing up information
- Less time and money for the moderators/creators of site
- More members on this site

Single Site Cons:

- Sifting thru everything for new-comers ( i dont like the term noobs)
- Site overhaul (may cause a day or more of maintenance)
- Split forumns = more work in long run
- Switching between 2 sites eliminates p[ossibility for quick information for those of us owning both games
- Cred problems due to so many new inductees to one site
- More stuff one page/site = slower loading times for those who have slower than ISDN/DSL lines.

Thats my take on Single site, now for dual site pros and cons:

Dual Site Pro's:

- Everything is sorted between 2 games
- This site wont require an overhaul to accomodate both games
- New comers can find their information for Factions faster
- Ppl who own only factions can get thru their info quicker
- Those of us who own both with have information sorted out rather easily
- No cred issues if system is kept on both games

Dual Site Cons:

- Must traverse both sites seperately to find info on both
- Less members = less activity (which is always good)
- If we own both games information is not easily accessible if info is needed on two games at the same time (alot of us can't multi-task =P)
- Whole new site to moderate = whole new staff
- Those who own a load of cred may have to restart their credibility for that particular game
- Those who own factions only will have to go to the old site and figure out where to find information that still partains to the new game

01/24/06 21:01

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

Either way you look at this, there are downfalls.

BTW..they are already working on the third guildwars. Imagine having (5) different sites.../ponder
Imagine having one site with 1 + 4 expansions intermixed.../ponder.

Eventually you might need to split something up. If you do, then what happens to the existing site with everything that is combined.

A good analogy is.....when cities build 2 lanes roads in a growing section and leave space for 4 lanes. Then spend more money, hassle, inconveniences(for people using them) and time redoing those roads into 4 lanes. If they would do it right from the get go, then there would be no need for anything to be redone. (granite..I know there is money stipulations, but still)

***I vote for a new site.***

I also think that the staff should take our opinions in to consideration, but ultimately they will do the work. We need to trust they will make the right choice.

I'm sure you could setup something that has seperation of the two and future installments. I'd hate to see the after the third installment.

Simply put....the staff needs to think about down the road. What happens when? How will we be able to manage if?

Hard decision. Goodluck with making a final one. You guys need to think about it yourselves a lot on this one. You'll make the right descion.

EDIT:Also.. Are we getting so lazy per say...that its such a hassle to switch back and forth between two sites? We have mounds and mounds of helpful info JUST A CLICK AWAY! People are worried about clicking your mouse once?????? I remember when if you wanted hints or strategies you had to walk to the store and buy a big ol'book to sift through. Or you had get off the internet and call your friend on your landline to get help...then log back in..wait for the dial-up to go through and continue on. Come on people, technology is making us lazy.

You'll spend more time sifting through things that won't pertain to what you are doing, then you will switching. If you think about it...You really wouldnt be switching back and forth if you are playing Factions at the moment.

Totally vote for new site!

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01/24/06 21:10

immunis

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

very true,we do need to look down the road and of course i how many of us are actually think that far ahead? But very good point we do need to look down the road into the future. Perhaps a second site is a good way to go....or you could maybe make 2 sites but both on the same page? XD i dunno, thats more of an after thought =P

01/24/06 21:14

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

I say one site but with separate sections for Factions (someone else said this as well). So in the Armor section, for example, you might find a header for Factions armor and one for Prophecies(classic) armor. This way people can find the info they want and not get confused, though I can't claim to know anything about implementation issues for the staff.

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01/24/06 21:28

Iminluvwit2women

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

Bumping...presuming they want lots of feedback.

01/25/06 00:29

immunis

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

/Bump, Figure youd want ppl to see this in my time zone

01/25/06 03:53

Travis

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RE: Should two games mean two sites?

i think there should just be one website. but there be links to different pages about the different games(even though they will be basically 1 game but 2 sets of missions.)

01/25/06 04:09

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