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kratos dragon

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Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

I want the opinion of this community. Do you think a max armor, +30hp, req.9 shield, with a rare skin (i.e. Magmas, Summit Warlord, Eternal, etc.) is worth 20k or less? Please feel free to post a simple yes or no.

*Edit*: +30 Health (always) is the max HP always for a shield.

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01/27/06 01:31

Nihil Zarathustra

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

hmm i dont want to get into a big argument over it but i'd have to say it depends on the person who you sell to. That goes for any item. If the person is buying it because it's a rare item and part of a set then it could be worth and obscene amount of money. If a person is buying it for the mods then it could be worth significantly less. Hence a price range is given depending on who the person you are selling it to is. For example let's look at a low dmg axe with increased attack speed. to a normal warrior it wouldn't even be worth the time it takes to open the trade window to look at it. However, to an IW warrior it can be worth a fortune. Therefore the price range would be from the normal warrior at the low to the IW warrior at the high. In the case of this shield it would be worth over 20k BUT it also depends on who you sell it to.

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01/27/06 01:36

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

I agree with that, but I know that most people who offer/barter start at the lowest possible price. Most (regular) people want to get the best deal possible.

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01/27/06 01:39

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

hmm, fair point, but i'd say any shield that had +30 health all the time and only reg 9. would sel for a fair bit more, i've seen those things going for about 40k and up especially the rarer skinned 1's

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01/27/06 01:53

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

I give up. Did someone find a magical place where all the +30HP shields hide, grab a bunch, then start selling them for a few hundred k off retail?

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01/27/06 01:59

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

also add in whether it is req 9 strength or req 9 Tactics, there can be a major difference in price between the 2

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01/27/06 04:51

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

I find the price range funny iff we talk about mods.

sold a swordpommel of fortitude with +30HP for 65k
and a swordpommel of fortitude of +26HP it will sell for 1k orso.????????

I dont make the prices but it is strange

01/27/06 05:31

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

people pay a lot of money for perfection.
plastic surgery, dentistry, hairdresser, cosmetics, etc.
its the same in GW.
some players pay 65k for +30hp and not even 20k for +29hp, althought that +1hp wont save them. its just cuz its "perfect" and others will go ooooooooooooo if they show off

01/27/06 06:01

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

+30 hp shield is fairly rare... and the summit warlord shield is rare i supposed (although i've seen a couple drop)

it's not worth 20k to me - i have a +29 hp always gold skeleton shield req 8 tactics =)

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01/27/06 12:13

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

I dont think its worth 20k if you ask me.

To me +30Hp doesnt really help you in battle.
It might be able to save you from 1 hit, But apart from that i'd rather have a much better mod like 'received damage -2(while enchanted or stance etc.)

Who agrees ????

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01/27/06 19:06

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

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To me +30Hp doesnt really help you in battle.
It might be able to save you from 1 hit, But apart from that i'd rather have a much better mod like 'received damage -2(while enchanted or stance etc.)

Who agrees ????
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not me, i belive as +30 hp is a perfect shield mod, that WILL save u if ur anything liek a runner or farmer, obviuosly if u r afarmer u wil have a dmg reduct rune on this will minimise dmg to a certain extent, i believe this shield with the 30 health mod alone could sell well over 40k as mentioned b4, a dmg received -2 would be a great benefit and even more if it was while in stance, i think the extra 30 hp mod would be a great benefit all round no mater wat ur using it for, i mean since when does a warrior take huge damage from basic attacks?

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01/27/06 19:14

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

yes

01/27/06 19:18

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

This is all very good input that I most definetely appreciate. However, I am stunned that the GameAmp community thinks that any +30hp shield is worth less than 100k. It really makes me want to cry. =(

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01/30/06 20:34

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

mostly it depends on the skin.
a req 8 or 9 magmas or eternal shield with only +30 hp, would sell for at LEAST 100k given to the right individual it could get 3 times that.
and if you get an 8 or 9 req +30 always -2 stance magma or eternal, you're sitting on top of a small fortune.

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01/31/06 01:23

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

It is my personal opinion that nothing in this game should be worth more than 50k. I mean nothing.

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01/31/06 01:26

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

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i mean since when does a warrior take huge damage from basic attacks?

A griffon's final thrust hits for 60-74 and thats with a maj absorption rune and full 15k ascalon and a shield thats -2 with enchant.

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01/31/06 01:26

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full 15k ascalon

You realize it doesn't stack, right? There is no need to use a full suit of Ascalon or Knights. Unless just for looks.

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01/31/06 01:28

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

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You realize it doesn't stack, right? There is no need to use a full suit of Ascalon or Knights. Unless just for looks.

Yes well the GW website had a mistake when i bought the armor. But just in case they decide to change it later to non-stacking i'd rather keep it :P

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01/31/06 01:29

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

Of course keep it :-). 15k Ascalon is one of the niftyest armor out there.

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01/31/06 01:32

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

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It is my personal opinion that nothing in this game should be worth more than 50k. I mean nothing.

well, no offense, but thats a statement of ignorance.
just because someone thinks nothing should be worth 50k, doesnt mean it is so; and denying this fact, or even disagreeing with it is the number 1 way to remain at the bottom of the economic ladder.
there was a time when i thought 100k was the end of the line, anything was attainable...then 1 mil...then 10 mil...now, i look at all these numbers as the embodyment of poverty (if my net worth reverted to 10 mil, i'd feel broke).
it isnt untill you understand the value and capacity of the in-game economy, that you can begin to master it.
and if i got a dollar for every time ive heard "man, i wouldnt pay over 100k for that" in reference to an item worth millions, id be a rich man...but just because you may not think it should be worth over 50k or 100k or whatever the case may be, doesnt mean there isnt someone out there who would be more than happy to pay 3 million.

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01/31/06 01:35

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well, no offense, but thats a statement of ignorance.

Thats a matter of oppinion. Not everyone plays the game to see how rich they get and just because a player has 10k doesn't necessarily make that player "poor" or a noob or even worse than someone who has 3 million. There are different ways to play this game which is why it stands out from WoW in that you dont have to be rich to succeed. His oppinion is coming from someone who prolly doesnt spend alot of time farming or just plays the game for the combat and not the gold and cannot therefore be called ignorant since in his group he is correct.

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01/31/06 01:38

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It is my personal opinion that nothing in this game should be worth more than 50k. I mean nothing.

What a way to overreact to a simple statement. I said it was my opinion, of course it's not fact. I just think it should be fact.

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01/31/06 01:41

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

Whether or not a +30 hp sheild with a good skin is worth over 20k to you doesn't matter. It is worth over 20k to other people who want to buy it.

01/31/06 01:41

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

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His oppinion is coming from someone who prolly doesnt spend alot of time farming or just plays the game for the combat and not the gold and cannot therefore be called ignorant since in his group he is correct.

Indeed. I don't play to be "elite" and own every one in PvP and have 100 million gold in PvE. It's a game I play for fun, and powergaming, to me, has never been very fun.

I don't mind a bit of farming, but I don't feel poor with only 30k. It's enough money to buy important items with. I feel no need to own one of those "uber" greens or "most powerful weapon in the game". I like my Chaos Axe :). It kills stuff, and that's all I need it to do.

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01/31/06 01:46

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

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well, no offense, but thats a statement of ignorance.

thats by large and far NOT what i meant.
i never have and never will equate wealth with an ability to play the game, as in this game you can get an item for 10k thats just as effective as one worth 100k.
my point was just to make note of the fact that to make a blanket statement about price-capping in a market-based economy is a "statement of ignorance," which, is not an insult.
ignorance, by definition, is the lack of information, not a lack of intelligence.

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01/31/06 01:46

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

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Whether or not a +30 hp sheild with a good skin is worth over 20k to you doesn't matter. It is worth over 20k to other people who want to buy it.

Thats what the debate is about..is an item worth 100k because only a few people are willing to pay that much? or is it worth 100k because it is worth 100k to the individual? Should the weapon or item be sold and the low price capped at what the minority is willing to pay no matter how small it is? Or should the price range be set with the low price being what the item is worth to some and the high price being what it is worth to others?

Or here is one: Should the wealthy few set the price for an item and force the rest to catch up or should the item be priced by the overall community?

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01/31/06 01:51

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

by principle, a seller will not sell an item for 20k if they know they can get 100k.
and theres not a small emount of people that would pay 100k+ for an 8-9 +30 always magma or eternal, there are literally thousands of players who would pay that much, and furthermore, be able to turn around and sell it for profit.
now, 100k in GW is really not all that much, so high-value caps dont really exist, but for some items they do.
example:
currently, due to the massive amount of extremely rich players that have quit in recent months, you woulc be ver very very hard pressed to sell an item for 5 mil or above, without it being a perfect or nearly perfect item with a highly desired skin.
why?
because even though the item may have previously been worth 10 mil, there are now no longer enough people who can afford to bid that much, and since the buyer will obviously be trying to get for as cheap as possible, they will not go higher on a bid without a bid that exceeds theirs; but due to the lack of wealthy players, it wont happen too easily, and so the items value caps.
an even better example, right now, any item thats in the range of 20-30 million has its value TOTALLY determined by the buyers; since there are only about a half dozen people left who can afford that much; if they were to all get together and say "hey, lets not bid above 20 mil" then guess what, that item would not exceed 20 mil, because noone could afford to surpass it.

this is how an economy works, its partly set by the buyer and partially by the seller;
but with items in the 100k range there are tens of thousands of people who can afford them, and thus no shortage of a market.
now if tomorrow everyone with over 50k quit the game, then voila, his dream scenario would come true, as the purchasing power necissary to catapult items into the hundreds of thousands or millions would no longer exist, and due to this the maximum value of items would be set at the maximum amount of wealth possible; which would (due to previously mentioned ramifications) be 50k.

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01/31/06 02:00

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RE: Do you think a +30hp shield is worth 20k or less?

Talk about thread hijacking!!! You all should be ashamed! Pfft...what happens when I take a 3-day vacation.

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