used to be special for one person in every town maybe, who had FoW armor. Showed that they are experienced in the game instead of experienced in shopping for gold online. Im sure the rest of you have noticed the incredible amount of people who have gotten the armor recently, and I know that they all didnt just find 200 ectos each in the same week. Now the armor means nothing at all..sigh, stupid farming and selling gold sites. They are pretty much ruining the market and screwing up the game.
They didn't necessarily buy gold online. They could have used solo farming builds to farm the UW, they could have used bots, they could have farmed griffons then bought the Ectos and shards.
Unfortunatly ANet doesnt have the resources or the time to crack down on all the people buying and selling gold and other GW products online. Nor do they really want to. I recently reported someone trying to get me to buy his stuff from ebay and all ANet did was ban him for 24 hours. Then he was back at it again and they just let him go after that. It's just that there are too many people cheating in this game for ANet to really do anything and i don't think they can ban a player for his direct involvement with Ebay since they don't have the right to regulate what Ebay allows. For example if a player sells gold on Ebay with his screenname right on the picture, ANet can't go to Ebay and use that to ban the character since that would be a conflict with Ebay which allows them to post this sort of thing without fear of punishment.
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I think this goes back to the old discussion about whether ANet can actually ban someone if they find their items on Ebay since it ruins the buisness of Ebay or can they only ban them if they are caught doing it in-game.
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I agree on the notion that it is very very sad how the ingame economics are fubar at the moment.
I also agree on all the stated reasons/faults as to why it is so.
What I've never managed to grasp is this though:
How on earth do the farmers make all the untold millions they seem to posses? I mean, I've read the guides on lucrative power farming and suchlike, and I think I get the basics. What I don't get is that from where do they get the time to make the neverending 24/7 runs, day after day!? I've tried farming a couple of times, but with sad results: all I got was some lousy 1k or so after an hour of grinding. Maybe I did something wrong and maybe I wasn't at the right place, but my conclusion is this: I don't care enough to farm! I play this game in order to have fun, and farming surely isn't my concept of having that! It just saddens me that all you scammers and "businessmen" out there ruin my game by scr*win' the economy up! There, I've said it.
I agree on the notion that it is very very sad how the ingame economics are fubar at the moment.
I also agree on all the stated reasons/faults as to why it is so.
What I've never managed to grasp is this though:
How on earth do the farmers make all the untold millions they seem to posses? I mean, I've read the guides on lucrative power farming and suchlike, and I think I get the basics. What I don't get is that from where do they get the time to make the neverending 24/7 runs, day after day!? I've tried farming a couple of times, but with sad results: all I got was some lousy 1k or so after an hour of grinding. Maybe I did something wrong and maybe I wasn't at the right place, but my conclusion is this: I don't care enough to farm! I play this game in order to have fun, and farming surely isn't my concept of having that! It just saddens me that all you scammers and "businessmen" out there ruin my game by scr*win' the economy up! There, I've said it.
lol, yeah man i agree total bordem farming. I have too famed a few times and got mabe 1k, but thats with the monsters drop.. but after 2 hours though. I find running more profitable and funner. yet still a lil boring.
I have a sudden urge to go play THK. sounds fun. he he
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it doesnt mean that they brought gold of ebay if they have fow as there are tons of other ways to get it like continuos farming for hours on end a day can get it u within days
1.) They get bots to let them farm 24/7 then simply sell all their finds to merchants. They can make quite a bit a day just by doing that.
2.) 2 man bot farming. 1 person uses a bot to farm a place then another person uses a bot to spam-sell the gold items Unided for large amounts of money.
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Why? Because it's human nature. They aren't doing it to ruin the game, they are doing it because in their mind it is an OK thing to do. To them it is a way to get ahead of the competition and their reasoning behind it is "I have a bot, you just dont have the experiance to make one and that's your problem." They aren't really concerned with the economy since the bot can easily provide for them. ANet doesnt have the means to track bots so they aren't at risk of getting banned and they are getting enough money to buy whatever they want. they can even sell the gold or items on Ebay since doing so doesn't violate the Ebay contract and ebay would most likely support them if they brought up a complaint against ANet.
Think about it. Why are there cheat codes in games? Why do we need devices like the gameshark? Why do we use hacks?
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My roommate bought some gold on ebay, he bought 100k, and mainly because he didn't have the drive to go out and farm and try to make money the "honest" way. I would go out and farm ettins and other things to try to get the money to afford everything, and I also run people, but I can understand his logic. I mean an hour of real work for 100k instead of 5+ hours of in-game grinding to get maybe a quarter of that.
Are you trying to say that every person we see who has FoW armor, couldn't have possibly saved up over the last 10 months to get it?
Yes once people gradually got enough to get it, it was a rare sight, but the game's been out almost a year... 1000s of people will have been able to get it fairly, probably more. These people must be rich now, through normal game playing - especially if they, like most people I know with it, have concentrated on one character.
1 mesmer in fow armor
4 warriors in fow armor
1 Ele in fow armor
3 monks in fow armor
i just couldnt believe it :S ... untill last week i hardly saw a player in fow armor
p.s: there are other ways of earning enough money; lets say the fow armor costs 1200k, most greens in SF and UW² dont go cheap, lets say you're really lucky and after 3 weeks of SF farming you get 15 Brohn's rod and 5 Rago's flame staff :P and manage to sell them... well then u must be really lucky cause i've been farming there with 5 of my chars for the last 3.5 weeks lol
till now i earned like 300k or so of greens?
don't all blame it on the online gold buying
ecto's dropped from 15-16 K to 7K
which makes it A LOT cheaper
and with 1 million players online
you will see more and more FoW armors
Who wants warrior FoW anyway? It's the ugliest armour in the game!
So true ;o ... *cough* rusty old tin can suit *cough*
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don't all blame it on the online gold buying
ecto's dropped from 15-16 K to 7K
which makes it A LOT cheaper
and with 1 million players online
you will see more and more FoW armors
increase price of ecto to restore economy i say..
grtz
very true, its nearly half price making it "obtainable" twice as fast >_<
but hey... at least wait till im done with my set before restoring the economy lol! xD
Another thing to think about is the new greens. After Anet introduced Sorrow's Furnace, I saw a rise in FoW armor too. It was unbelieveable how much people were buying and selling Rago's Wand for.
And the same thing for the IDS, the Bulwark, and the Axe. Everytime Anet adds new rare items to the game, the economy is gonna do well enough for people to get FoW armor.
The new greens in Factions are gonna be very expensive at first too. Especially the Assassin and Ritualist ones.
I think the gold buying trend is keeping steady, it's just the introduction of new items that's giving people the boost they need for FoW armor.
((Plus another place to farm Ectos doesn't hurt either))
I for one say it's a good thing that the economy isn't based entirely on ectos. Then every player that doesnt have a solo build to go to the UW would be left behind. Also if you think about it the reason ectos are dropping is because of the amount of solo builds in the UW. It's a cycle
Want Ectos --> Make solo build ---> Prices of ectos drops ----> Need more Ectos to make the same amount of gold ---> Use solo build more often ---> Prices of ectos drops until low point is reached ----> use solo build some more ----> Prices of ectos still at low point ----> Use solo build some more ----> Prices of ectos still at low point ----> Use solo build some more
Get it? The more the prices of ectos drop the more solo builds are going to be used the more the prices of ectos will drop.
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I have one set (two pieces - all I wanted) for my monk and have had it several months. I can honestly say I earned every bit of gold I've spent and either bought or farmed the ecto myself, no bots, no cheats. Can I prove it? no, other than I do have a screenshot somewhere of my monk taken in the UW when she hit 1,000,000 exp (she's now over 3.5 million) What can I say, I enjoy farming and to each his own. I've been farming with my invinci-monk since before the protective bond nerf.
You are correct that the $10 I could spend for100k gold would take alot less time working that it takes to earn 100K farming (about 20 minutes of work compared to about 6-7 hours farming griffons)
So what is the benifit to me? The personal satisfaction of knowing every piece of gold spent by me, given to my guild and guild mates, or just given to random people was earned in the game.
IMO, buying gold online just so they can buy stuff to show off to others (FoW armor for example) is just lame but at the same time funny. Because I've met many ppl in PvP or GvG or even a couple runners who have FoW armors and having everyone in awe...and then comes charging at enemies blindly and being the first to die haha...
they got the blings but they don't have the skills :)
Who wants warrior FoW anyway? It's the ugliest armour in the game!
i hear that *rolleyes*
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IMO, buying gold online just so they can buy stuff to show off to others (FoW armor for example) is just lame but at the same time funny. Because I've met many ppl in PvP or GvG or even a couple runners who have FoW armors and having everyone in awe...and then comes charging at enemies blindly and being the first to die haha...
they got the blings but they don't have the skills :)
Get it? The more the prices of ectos drop the more solo builds are going to be used the more the prices of ectos will drop.
I agree, but it's not actually the price of the ectos which will drop but their value (thus affecting the price tho), but then again, that's just rhetorics. If memory serves me, this topic has already been discussed here in the past so I'm not gonna go any more into that. :) (this is the kind of a topic that I always seem to manage to get people argue about..)
What I will say though is this:
I have the greatest respect towards all of you who have actually acquired your ingame wealth the "morally legit" way. I'm prone to believe that the majority of GameAmpers have done so. I also try to be positive about the people I meet ingame, but admittedly it's very hard sometimes: let's say we have that one million players, and just suppose that even if only a one tenth of that amount of people were scam artists, then u do the maths! I'd say that's quite a lot of people. Personally I feel that it's not even that one tenth, it's actually even more!
Of course I sorta understand this; people are the same everywhere, whether ingame or not. Always trying to cut the corners, so to speak. Not that I'm any better, I'm only a human too. Still it saddens me to see the utter lack of ideals and moral.
I agree. I've been playing since July, and I am still far from achieving FoW armor. The best I can do is 15k. But, I'm in your screenshot! I beleive the warrior in the blue platemail is one of my characters.
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noob question wats a bot? and people have started collecting since the fow build came in so they r getting around the same time so i would expect more but if all people get fow they arnt 'masters' anymore
I have alos noticed a great increase in FoW armour. Naturally I have seen an increase as I haveplayed the game, only natural, but like noticed by others, a sudden boom has seemed to appeared. Although this is only the case for Warriors, Necros, Elementalists and Monks in my experience. Rarely see Ranger FoW and next to nothing for Mesmers sadly.
I guess I'm lucky since there isn't any FoW that I want. The only female armour I like is the ele. and the ranger but I'm quite happy with what I have. I might go for the female ranger 'top' one day but that'll be if I ever have more money than I know what to do with.. ^^ I've only bothered to get one piece of 15k armour: well two - I didn't like the first one as much as I thought before I got it, heh
The fact that so many have it makes it less desirable, especially due to the suggestions about how they got it. I'm not really into that 'elitist' thing either, which puts me off it. I've even seen people advertising to get into groups saying, "xx/xx WITH FOW armour LFG".. I mean.. so what? Does that mean they're gonna be a better team member...? LOL
If I see some armour I really like the look of, I might get it, but because it's.. 'elite'... nah (besides, it isn't anymore is it..)
