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Ok, this is a topic that comes and goes every once in a while, but as I was reading some interesting stuff at the Daedalus Gateway where there's an article about Gender Bending along with several links to survey's and other forms of research about it I thought, why not check with our current community?
Now, I'm a convicted Gender Bender. I almost solely play with female characters. Part of it is the reason stated in the article about looking at a female or male rear end for hours on end. But when I read about the "Lara Corft effect" I didn't recognize myself in that. Being rather liberated I'm not burdened with thoughts on whether male and females are equal, to me they just are. Next topic :-)
On a bit of reflection, also considering the tendency of people to mistake me for a Real Girl in games, I'm thinking a large part of my Gender Bending in games is that I can get away with not participating in certain Male Stereotype behaviors which I abhor. Mainly Macho and / or competitive behavior. I prefer team-work and cooperation over glory hounding. Those are traits more commonly attributed to the female psyche. Maybe it's not 'good' that I use a female avatar just so people won't immediately assume Male Chauvinist Piggish behavior, but I find it easier to escape that than with a male avatar.
So, what are your thoughts on the matter.
Do you Gender Bend, is it a vocation, a hobby or something you do 'for the weekends'? :-)
Or are you completely flabbergasted by the whole concept? I can imagine the whole idea being alien, even off-putting to some people.
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| 02/15/06 16:54 |
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Lani I thought you were a woman until about a week ago =)
I agree with you on this matter, i wouldn't say I 'gender bend' but i tend to be more friendly when playing video games, the reason for this is simple, games are supposed to be fun and it doesn't help if everyone is bigheaded and macho =)
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| 02/15/06 16:57 |
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All my chars are female but I am not, reason is simple: imho female chars just look so much nicer. =D
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| 02/15/06 16:57 |
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Well i'm PvP Healing Dude during the day and Smiting Monk Lady at nigth :P
I don't really think there is anything wrong with it and i have found that people tend to target female characters less often because they believe them to be "inferior female players". Plus for a long time i believed that females ran faster..i was wrong there and i admit it so dont flame me..
As for the articles themselves, they are good, and they provide good insight to some of the reasons that people do it, but there are some things that no science can or should explain.. this case hovers more around the "can" part.
Oh yeah and lani i thought you were a female at first but then it became obvious that you werent.
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| 02/15/06 16:59 |
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| QUOTE | | I'm thinking a large part of my Gender Bending in games is that I can get away with not participating in certain Male Stereotype behaviors which I abhor. Mainly Macho and / or competitive behavior. |
This is one of the best reasons to do so. I tend to gender bend when I make PvP characters...but my PvE characters will mainly remain male. Maybe not the Assassin though...shes pretty. XD
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| 02/15/06 17:00 |
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The article also mentions a lot of men playing female avatars because they're more likely to recieve help from other male players, female players will play male avatars because they believe female avatars are considered inferior. But women as a rule seem to be less likely to bend genders than men regardless.
I don't think I've seen that in Guild Wars though. People being more inclined to help female avatars. Well, beside the lap-dancing. That's a whole different topic though.
Edit: Whoops. Missed Nihil's post :-/
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| 02/15/06 17:16 |
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| QUOTE | | I'm thinking a large part of my Gender Bending in games is that I can get away with not participating in certain Male Stereotype behaviors which I abhor. Mainly Macho and / or competitive behavior. I prefer team-work and cooperation over glory hounding. Those are traits more commonly attributed to the female psyche. Maybe it's not 'good' that I use a female avatar just so people won't immediately assume Male Chauvinist Piggish behavior, but I find it easier to escape that than with a male avatar. |
So this is my problem lol
I Also do not like the behaviors of the macho male and therefore get outcast by the "one upmanship" groups. I see where you are coming from with this and you have a good point.
Being a male and not wanting to be part of this group makes you an outcast where as showing yourself as a female icon they think its normal. This is one of the reasons I like sport but not sports men, they are on ego trips and nothing sporting about it.
I would add to your statement that alot of people who have problems with males playing female characters may want to do it themselves but some issue stops them, so they hass others over it.
The idea that they would never do something so no one else should is a way that has been passed down through the ages and even though its not right it still goes on.
The issue could be fixed if people learn to "Live and let live".
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| 02/15/06 17:46 |
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| QUOTE | | I would add to your statement that alot of people who have problems with males playing female characters may want to do it themselves but some issue stops them, so they hass others over it. |
I can not understand at all why people would have a problem with this.
Imho it's plain simple, it's a game right... an MMORPG to be exact; it's all roleplay so who cares.
Why does it matter if the "female" you're playing with is really female or male after all?
As long as you have fun playing right...
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| 02/15/06 17:58 |
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| QUOTE | Why does it matter if the "female" you're playing with is really female or male after all?
As long as you have fun playing right... |
we have come a long way but still alot of peoples minds are back in the thinking dark ages. Some just plain homo-phobic and anything that does not show a man as a tall dark n good looking (female version) or big tough and with a big sword hehe (male version) does not fit their idea of right.
It all comes down to comfort zones and some are not happy with others doing what they will not or can not do, plain selfish aye.
There is nothing gay about wanting to look at the back end of a female character when playing a game, just as there is nothing wrong with females having male characters, its called freedom of choice!
I have three male characters and one female character, the female character is my little girl's but I level her up most of the time so in that I do it too.
So,,, if you are playing the game and not hurting anyone or doing any wrong then any problem some might have with you is their problem not yours.
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| 02/15/06 18:15 |
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| QUOTE | I can not understand at all why people would have a problem with this.
Imho it's plain simple, it's a game right... an MMORPG to be exact; it's all roleplay so who cares. |
Exactly my sentiment its 'role play' who cares and if you do why? I just don't get it? Its probably coming from the macho idea that to appear anything other than 100% macho male somehow stops you from being a man. Ive said this before and im still of the opinion this mostly applies to men who are somehow insecure about their masculinity who will do their best to hide from anything that may force them to address issues they dont particularly want to, its the same kind of thing that makes the most violent homophobe likely to be the biggest closet case going...
It is role play and playing a different role to your real life is a major part of its appeal, whether or not you choose to conform to gender stereotyping while playing that role is a different matter. I am often surprised to discover the female player ive been playing alongside for a while is in fact male - this is because I look at the role in the game not the persona behind it until Im confronted with it. I like the fact that this COULD in fact lead us away from preconcieved notions of gender and operate in a realm where those rules dont exist. Obviously the reality is very different as our real selves filter over, classic example, while first playing my monk I joined a warrior charr hunting over the wall in pre-searing, he was outragously flirtatious obviously thinking because i was a female character I was a female in real life - I chose not to respond and he eventually stopped. I stayed quiet because if I had stated that in fact Im a man he probably would then start the usual macho rubbish, which I dont get a kick out of joining in with, or if I pretended to be a woman it probably would have escalated to the point of being offensive.
Interesting issue gender and gameing :-)
Edit :| QUOTE | | So,,, if you are playing the game and not hurting anyone or doing any wrong then any problem some might have with you is their problem not yours. |
I so agree with you on this one and if this was taken up in real life too the world would be a much happier place
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| 02/15/06 18:25 |
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My Primary character is often a reflection of myself - Genesis Dragon is quite the lady magnet, I'm sure you... sry sry...
That's my Ego taking over my typing.
My first creation was Male but I play mixed gender characters, often finding my style of play changes depending on my character's sex.
My Male Warrior, he's the maximum size (compensating for something :/) and I often play the unstoppable tank persona - I charge in, grunting at my screen - but when playing my female Warrior, I often take a steady approach, usually asking if everybody has full energy etc.
My choices of Armor, also differ depending on my character's gender - my male Monk had Censor's, because he would be in the fight taking the physical damage - but my female has Wanderer's and Tattoos as she stayed out of trouble, and worried about taking too much punishment from Spiking Eles etc.
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One reason playing females is appealing, aside from the aesthetics, is people in-game are generally nicer to you - my Males often get more abuse from other players than the girlies do - especially my tank, but perhaps that's because of the way I play him?
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| 02/15/06 19:03 |
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Sometimes male characters look better, sometimes females look better. Ever seen a male monk flex while wearing only a loincloth? Ewwwwww...(Hint: he does a handstand!)
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| 02/15/06 23:11 |
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Personally I don't really see a problem with it. Play what you want. Having fun is what we are all here for. So far I haven't felt the need to play a female char, but I think I feel comfortable enough with who I am to not have a problem playing one.
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| 02/16/06 03:33 |
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| QUOTE | Sometimes male characters look better, sometimes females look better. Ever seen a male monk flex while wearing only a loincloth? Ewwwwww...(Hint: he does a handstand!)
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Thankfully that loincloth doesnt have realistic physics behind it.
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| 02/16/06 03:35 |
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I have a female account and a male account. And I have the same personality for both.
There are some professions that seem to 'fit' the gender
'Male' Professions:
Warrior
Necromancer
Monk
'Female' Professions:
Ranger
Mesmer
Elementalist
This is just my opinion. A skinny female doesn't look good in platemail. Same for a Male Mesmer, doesnt look good in the armor.
((LOL, as i'm typing this, there's a google ad about changing your gender in the top window.))
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| 02/16/06 03:45 |
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| QUOTE | | ((LOL, as i'm typing this, there's a google ad about changing your gender in the top window.)) |
On an off-topic note... Google's dynamic advertising hard at work.
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| 02/16/06 03:48 |
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This is actually the most interesting topic I've seen here in a while, IMO!
Well then, I'm a male and all of my four ingame characters are female. So I guess I gender bend then.
What makes it interesting is that I now realize that I've never actually thought of it from that perspective before.
The reason why I've deliberately chosen to display myself as a female ingame is this: I think the female characters in GW in general seem a bit more sophisticated and smarter looking than their corresponding male counterparts (in addition to the fact that they (the females) look pretty, of course).
In real life, I've never really given any value or respect towards any form of machismo culture, rather considering myself somewhat an intellectual, so in a way I think I like to express that ingame also.
The best way to do this is that of a choosing an intelligent looking (admittedly a matter of opinion, though) female character.
But as aforementioned, I've never really given this particular topic any concious thought before this.
Personally I've lacked to witness any gender induced behaviour towards my characters. I'm sure such things happen, but so far I haven't bumped into any. Whilst ingame, I don't spend a second thought on pondering other people's sex, or whether or not they are trying to signal something by choosing a he or a she character. It has no relevancy to me. I'm there to play the game and have fun, instead of trying to cybersex people up.
What I find saddening though, is something that this topic made me realize (don't get me wrong on this, please): there must be awfully lot of people who are lonely! Even so lonely, that they need to compensate their lack of social life (relationshipwise) by flirting on a MMORPG! I find that sad, but somewhat silly also.
Anyways, that's more than a days share of curing the world from my part.
Summa summarum: I feel comfortable displaying my intellectual and metrosexual personality both ingame and in real life, but who am I to judge people who feel different? It is not in my interest to rub my view of life up other people's noses, atleast for as long as they give me that same respect in return. It's most interesting and amusing to see though, how indepht and fine analyzis can be derived from the behaviour of the players, because afterall, Guild Wars is only a game. :)
 
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| 02/16/06 04:40 |
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Videogames are another form of escapism. Fantasy ones more so than most especially in the area of roleplay. Although as far as roleplay goes, I see GW as a bit weak in that area compared to other titles. So if you want to play a female character then that's cool. I assume every female avatar is male to start with anyway hehe.
Personally all my characters are male. Mainly because I see my avatars as an extension of me but in a videogame setting. Same with my art and design work. They mostly revolve around central male characters with female characters as an afterthought thrown in for the sake of bulking up the environment/setting. That's not to say they're not fun to do but just not a central theme. I did actually try a female character during the Factions weekend. As I was messing around with all the new characters. I made a female assassin and was soon chased by some WoW player who wanted me to take my top off -_-.
Hehe, anyway a lot of the guys I know ingame (in fact most of them) play female chars at least 50% of the time. Believe it or not they try and pressure me into creating a main female char and make out that it's wierd that I don't. xD Talk about the anti-typical response. I'll admit I didn't read the articles linked. But that's because I hear the same arguments all the time. Mainly the bum one. Firstly my cape is in the way. But even if it was not it still wouldn't be much of a reason as i'm generally looking at the world around me or running in 1st person view (much more fun). That, and it always struck me as a defensive argument put up by people who think they have to defend using a female avatar.
So basically. If you want to play a female char and you're a guy, fine. If it's the reverse, then cool. If you want to create a semi naked ranger and pretend to be a 15 year old girl and mess around with other teenagers heads in pre-seering well....I guess... you can hehe. Just don't harass me into making a female ele to shake my tail feather.
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| 02/16/06 05:07 |
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Btw, that's a lovely expression:
"tailfeather" ;)
Gotta remember that!
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| 02/16/06 05:23 |
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i play both female and male characters (i try to balance it out)...
in gw, i do find that in many cases the female characters look nicer than the male ones, especially in the case of warriors (if they adhered to a less brutish, conan-type look i'd play a male one).
mostly it's for aesthetics in my case, none other.
probably also because smart sexy girls are teh l33t.
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| 02/16/06 06:27 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | Sometimes male characters look better, sometimes females look better. Ever seen a male monk flex while wearing only a loincloth? Ewwwwww...(Hint: he does a handstand!)
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Actually, it does. Hence the problem.
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| 02/16/06 19:46 |
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Gender Bending A O K
Think about the mix of real life male to female playing GuildWars. There are enlightened women out there playing but you and I know most of the women in GW are genderbenders. And why not?!? Imagine the sausage fest it would be were it not for the brave genderbenders!
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| 02/16/06 19:57 |
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This is something I have often wondered about and this topic has intrigued and enlightened me :)
I always assumed it was some kind of 'perv' thing but obviously that is not necessarily the case, and I apologise to anyone who may be offended by that ^^
The females I see that I always assume are guys are the mesmers in 'lingerie' lol. This is due mainly to two good male friends I have had in game who chose this combination.
One of these fits into that 'non-macho' mould and there's something really nice and disarming about that. The other is just a normal guy who prefers to look at a female whilst playing. To him, gender is totally irrelevant, which also is kinda nice :)
All my chars are female, as am I, since, to me, the character on my screen is 'me', just in a different 'skin'. In a 'proper' roleplaying environment, I create the characteristics of that character and 'become' that person.
The main reason I've found it odd is that, whereas people have mentioned it being a 'roleplay' game, I find the actual roleplay in-game, sadly, to be practically non-existent :( If it were more prevalent then I probably would have at least one male character, as I have played a male character in a roleplaying game at least once before. Sadly though, I feel that anet has seriously messed up in this aspect and I can't imagine how it could really be rectified...
*dreams of an environment where people didn't drag up the problems of real-life that many of us are here to forget about for a while, and where those who choose to abuse each other do it with style and character*
I now think that 'gender-bending' guys fall into two main categories: those that fit into my original idea of why guys do this; and those that are comfortable with who they are, uncomfortable with the stereotypical 'macho' UG I KILL U HEAL type of thing, probably older (than many 'kiddie' gamers anyway), and 'deeper' :)
I don't suppose anyone will reply after this, since I seem to put the 'kiss of death' on a thread LOL, but it'd be interesting to hear any other views that haven't been brought up already.
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| QUOTE | I have a female account and a male account. And I have the same personality for both.
There are some professions that seem to 'fit' the gender
'Male' Professions:
Warrior
Necromancer
Monk
'Female' Professions:
Ranger
Mesmer
Elementalist
This is just my opinion. A skinny female doesn't look good in platemail. Same for a Male Mesmer, doesnt look good in the armor.
((LOL, as i'm typing this, there's a google ad about changing your gender in the top window.)) |
I somewhat agree with you, but I really think the female monk looks cooler than the male, and its more strategic IMO. I love the way the female monks spin their staves
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From Daedalus Gateway, about lara croft syndrom:
| QUOTE | | In other words, avatars such as Laura Croft are appealing to men because it gives men the satisfaction of dominating a powerful female body. |
Thats psycholigally(learn to type??) bulls***... however it may be true in some cases...
On my account half is male and other half is female..
First i made an Elementalist, which were tall, pale and really gothic like(mmmh..) i think i made the character a she because.. she was sooo pretty.. :) especially with the GW graphics! but after a while i got a comment from my brother who asked me: "Why dont you make a fat, smelly little dwarven warrior with huge beard and an ugly hat, instead of that.. thin, pale girl?"
And it made me think.. and after some thinking i made my second char whom i called Talstron The Rotten, the firstname being a abbrieviation of Tall And Strong, he's a W/Me and he's the tallest, and most king-like character i have ever seen in the game.. His lastname, Rotten, came up because i made his skin disturbingly gray and pale, and his hair was almost the same color as his skin..
He may be representing the "king-like" side of me.. although thats impossible since i dont have one..
Strangely enough, after i made Talstron, i made Orichal The Tiny.. i have no idea about why i called her that, though :S
she is the tiniest character possible in the game :P which is really cool because you can hide under the tar in ascalon hehe..
Oops.. babbling.. sry..!
But maybe that Daedalus Gateway is right about something.. and the characters i make represent some part of me in some, weird, weird way..
Hmm.. Nonononono.. I think i can boil it down to this: i make female characters because they, quite frankly, are just prettier than male ones.. AND i like female rear ends more than male ones..
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lol i'd prefer to look at a female necro anyday..the males look like they're on drugs
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Necromonger Gynok n/m 20
Minerva Gynok n/me 15 (new)
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hmm well i play a mixed set of charicters and many of my best charicters are female charicters. my main char is now female but it was simpley because when i first made a charicter i was confronted by a female and didnt change it to male the second charicter i made was after i realised i could make a male charicter.
in the rush to make a charicter i just changed to marters of appearance and played the game. but ive made female and male of necro, monk and warrior. interestingly enough i deleted my males because they had been less sucessfull than the female version
male : bobba fett lvl 20 (warrior necro) deleted
female : jamnetta n (warrior ranger)
male : jam nog lvl 20 (necro monk) deleted
female : trinkini blinlblnk (necro ele)
male : hairy cairy lvl 20 (monk ranger) deleted
female : jamnog monkey lvl 18 (monk necro)
however in those three cases i made the male monk and warrior 1st the necro i made the female char 1st
only ever made one ranger and that was rob of wales a male charicter.
now my mesmers are both male (i make two of every charicter normally to experiment with a different secondary).
millamber and jamnog mes. both messing about in onld ascelon atm.
i have recently braught jamnog necro back from the grave but soon lost interest. ive deleted scores of charicters below lvl 15 to make room for other charicters and i cant be sure if some of there bad luck was due to them being male or female but it suggests that female charicters are more likely to complete the game (statistically).
i dont think there is much in it as i met loads of helpfull and nice people as my male necro. but must admit i had a terrible time as a male monk.
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i have an ele/mo female character and i am a male, but i read in other forums how males have made female characters and made boyfriends and told them that they themselves are females , little do these boyfriends know that there being very homo-sexual :P
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I guess you can call me a "Gender Bender". I don't really know why I made female charactes, I just did. I have 4 female characters and 2 male.
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I play both, first was a male ranger, this being the character I usually make in PnP (Pen and Paper) games I play. I do not think I would every make a female character in a PnP game since you have more opportunity to put yourself into the character, and from my psyche, it would be difficult to do a female character any justice. The second character was the typical W/Mo a male, this one following the same as reasoning as before always played male characters so continued on. The next two characters I created were female. The main reasons that yes, they were easier to look at for hours on end, and I found that my personality blends well no matter gender. I also made the assumption, right, wrong or indifferent that, it would be easier through the game as a female character due, yes you guessed it; the macho tendency of males to take it easier or be nicer to female characters, and be given that extra consideration, when teams were being picked; since I have yet to find a very continually active guild.
I do not have a problem with my masculinity; I know who I am so character’s gender really does not affect me. My roommate almost feel out when he saw two female characters on my account, but not for the reasons you would naturally think. My roommate is out of the closet homosexual and except for a few of his cleaning habits (them not being the greatest), has been a great roomy. However, he never thought he would see me "gender bend", since we play PnP quite a bit together, and those characters are always the macho don't put up with a whole lot, charge ahead, and consequences be damned, type of characters.
To psychoanalyze why someone does "anything", seems a bit pointless to me, IMHAO, any given person no matter how well known, analyzed, studied, etc.. will surprise you on what they will do given the next time an event occurs depending on environment, previous experience, or just pure rebellious nature of the human species.
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Definitely one of the more intellectual and thought provoking threads I have seen in awhile.
 I taste like Peanut Butter.
I am one of the most blendable flavours; I go with sweet, I go with sour, I go with bland, I go with anything. I am practical and good company, but have something of a tendency to hang around when I'm not wanted, unaware that my presence is not welcome. What Flavour Are You?
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