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memnochs_adversary

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axes vs swords vs hammers

Considering I'm bored right now sitting in Ascalon, LA and Droks watching the trade channel, I figured I'd open up a debate onto why people prefer which weapon type for the warrior, and why. Me personally, for pve, I prefer the sword over axe and hammer... over the hammer because + shield = extra armour = nice + I generally sit there and absorb damage rather then give it. Over the axe, I prefer sword because the conditions I find with sword are better... bleeding + crippled + deep wound. Also, 15-22 IMO is better then 6-28. PVP... I haven't really played pvp much with my warrior, but I like my victo's maul (hammer) in pvp because hammers have so many more KD's (=interrupt) then swords or axes.

But I'd like to see this debate get going and what you prefer in both aspects and why.

02/23/06 04:33

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

I prefer swords for General PvE frontline work, they have some nice attacks involving bleeding and crippling.

Axes are great for farming with cyclone axe etc, however this is the only time i use axes as the damage range is too much on the axe for my liking.

Hammers are a hugely underated weapon, although i dont like them for PvE since you cant weild a shield with it so you have less damage reduction. In PvP however they are really fun to play as and your enemy gets annoyed very quickly =P

But IMO swords are the most balanced warrior weapons to use =)

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02/23/06 04:39

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

Sword = good damage range, fair skills

Axe = poor damage range, awesome skills

Hammer = great damage range, good skills, low speed/slow adrenaline

In general I prefer axes because of it's skills, they are the best among the three weapons' in my opinion. They get faster adrenaline than hammers, and can cause Deep Wound even on non-fleshy enemies unlike the Sword which needs to bleed first. Sadly hammers are too slow, without any boost you will barely get your elite skills out before you need to heal. They are fun in GvG though since KD+AS+Gale are really entertaining.

02/23/06 05:09

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ditto i'd have to say... but axe and sword are tied in PvE for me not for the bleeding and crippling but for deepwounds, and dmg they can do to foes with deep wounds

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02/23/06 18:19

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

just let me say.. AXE.. lol i find them better due to their skills.. more adrenal skills+battle rage= ownage.. swords haveless adrenal skills. most are 5 energy skills and i mostly use mending and energy for healing and crap like that. so i cant really afford using energy for skills..

and hammers just suck IMO

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02/23/06 18:33

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Dont have much experience with hammers. I hear theyre underrated. I used to love swords but now I love my axes.

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02/23/06 18:34

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

Just to add a little extra data:

The average player who realizes he is affected by a hex or negative enchantment (SoJ) will usually swing twice with a sword before stopping or asking for hex removal, 1-2 times with axe, and 1 time with hammer. Just food for thought.

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02/23/06 18:38

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

I feel that hamers simply don't cut it in pve because of their slow speed. Although they deal more damage than axes or swords, due to the slow attack speed the rest of your party will have already annihilated your target by the time you make up for the slow attack speed. Also, in pve there are WAY too many creatures with knockdown immunity, so hammers aren't the best choice. Axes and swords, though, are all but even, but I prefer swords. Sword skills tend to be more consistent and come out faster, while axe skills tend to have higher damage boosts but can be used less often.

In pvp, swords are the best hands down. Against spellcasters, the ability to bring Bleeding to bear more quickly than axes can manage is incredibly useful, especially since you have more bleeding strike chances which allows you to more easily penetrate block chances. Against Rangers the same thing is true. And against warriors, Riposte (and to a lesser extent Deadly Riposte) totally blows away anything axes and hammers have. Sword wielders are also less vulnerable to spells like Sympathetic Visage or Soothing Images; the larger number of powerful energy-based attacks gets around these reasonably well, though SV does still cause issues.

I do feel that hammers are better than axes in pvp as well, though. Knockdowns can be an incredibly versatile ability, especially against trappers who use Mantra of Resolve or against other classes who use interrupt-proofing skills.

In any circumstance, swords seem to synergize with the other warrior skills better. Axes rely so heavily on adrenaline that you basically can't effectively use skills like Wild Blow which take away all adrenaline, but sword skills have such low adrenal costs that this isn't so much of a problem. There are also Tactics-based skills that require the use of a sword (riposte and Deadly Riposte), both of whith are absurdly powerful in one-on-one duels with other melee opponents, and yet other Tactics skills that cause Conditions tend to work better with swords than axes as well (again due to the frequency of sword skills coming out).

02/23/06 18:50

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

i have one think yet to say:

axes FTW!!!

xD axes are great for farming, but i think i'd have to say sword for PvP

but still, axes rock!

02/23/06 19:05

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

Depends on where you are, what your doing, who your fighting, and whats your preference. I used to use hammers in the beggining beacause they were powrful and most enemies did not do much dmg but now i switch between axes and swords depending on what im farming (ettins=swords Trolls=axes) In pvp in areanas at lower lvls hammers own. In higher lvls axes are usually best choice for melee and swords are best for magic users (which i try to steer clear of)

02/23/06 19:05

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

i had a W/E and i found a axe and close combat skills that caused major dmg was a wicked combination... i could be surrounded and still be the onlyone who was still alive.

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02/23/06 19:13

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

IMO Axes are the greatest. Can you say high damage skills, little or no energy cost, condition skills, and CHAOS AXES!?!? lol. Axe skills have a much higher damage output than swords (i.e. Cleave= +10-30 dmg, Eviscerate= +1-30, Executioner's Strike= +10-40!) Axes also use adrenaline more than energy, which is the Warrior's specialty. This keeps more energy available for healing and other spells. Axes also have a lot of conditions to put on enemies. All you gotta do is Dismember or Eviscerate, Axe Rake, and Axe Twist, then BAM; your enemy is suffering from Deep Wound, Cripple, and Weakness! What more do you want? And last of all....Chaos axes look cool. They may not be the best weapon of all, but do they look pimp or what?

Now, don't get me wrong. I love swords too and they draw a close second with me. But IMO axes are the best all around weapon for PvE (I don't play any PvP). Hammers just flat out suck for PvE. And when it all comes down to it, conditions aren't really that great for any weapon in PvE. To many enemy AI can cast removal spells to negate the whole condition thing. So then all you got left over is speed and damage, in which axes fit the best. Plus, axes are the best weapons for farming in my opinion.

Well, this is just my opinion on the issue. Please support me or bash me.....I don't really care. I just wanted to get my two cents in. ^_^

02/23/06 19:29

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

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Axes rely so heavily on adrenaline that you basically can't effectively use skills like Wild Blow which take away all adrenaline, but sword skills have such low adrenal costs that this isn't so much of a problem.

Sorry for double posting, but I had to say something. Yes, axes do rely on alot of adrenaline but that is much better than relying on energy (aka swords) which the warrior doesn't have much of. Also, the only low adrenaline costing sword skill is Sever Artery (4 Adrenaline). The other three: Gash (6A), Galrath Slash (8A), and Final Thrust (10A plus drains all adrenaline from other skills) all rank the same as axe skills or even cost more than axe skills. Which would you rather have: 3 high adrenaline costing sword skills that use up all your remaining adrenaline or 7 low to medium adrenaline costing axe skills that don't use up all your remaining adrenaline with moderate to high damage? I think the choice is pretty clear in my opinion! ^_^

02/23/06 19:38

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

well, they kinda fomed the wepons after the typical figher who whuld use that wepon (i havnt analysed hamme since i never liked it and used it)

swords: the typical swordfighter whuld be some1 who needs to stay calm and use alot of finesse, hence it is more energy based and cases such conditions that a well placed strike whuld cause, such as bleeding etc. dmgwise it is by far more balanced than axe and i imagine the dmg average whuld be higher

axes: typical axe fighter whuld be a bigass brute who fights ragefully, hence the adrenaline based attacks, also conditions suits the wepon, such as deep wound and cripple. dmg wise it is way more unbalanced than sword (perhaps cus the fighter dont take time to plan and aim for his attack, and rather just swings away htru share force) but the dmg spikeing is way higher than any sword.

i used to be a swordguy but i switched to axes, mainly becuse of 1 condition: Weakness which causes melee mobs in any are to cause little or no dmg to a well armored warrior, and offcourse as before mentioned the prefs in farming.

hmm but as many have said, axes have higher dmg than swords, i just wanna point out that axe max dmg (with axe mastery 16) on ettin is 172, while sword can deal a whooping 190+. (altho with an axe and the skill berserker stance u can deal a total of 224 dmg dureing the time it takes ettins to cast healing signet without using any skill at all) but again, thats just 1 skill from swords (on ettins) that give higher dmg than axe, i still use axe for ettin farming cus its gooood. (takes me about 1 minute to kill 6 ettins if dmg is on my side) havnt tryed with sword tho

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02/23/06 19:43

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

imo opinion

axe=Farming

Sword and hammer = pvp

When I play in ascalon arena with my warrior I like to bash ppl with my perfect furious hammer of enchanting I use Armor of earth (3 attribute in) and with my knight armor I got like 0-3 dmg from other warrior that I can heal wioth healing signet with no problem and it's awesome how much dmg could a hammer do in one signle bash ^^

As I always say when I saw some rich swordman in ascalon: "I'll crush your fellblade :P "

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02/23/06 20:00

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

ehm... ascelon arena?

anyways countless are the warriors that my axe tigerwarrior have downed in team arenas.....hammer, no hammer, sword, fists...

some of them good, some of them bad... and offcourse i have been killed a lot of times too (not usually by warriors tho)

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02/25/06 08:40

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

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ehm... ascelon arena?

what's wrong with acscalon arena? I think it's the ebst arena ever I try to keep my char under lvl 10 the longer I can... it's the only arena where you can get an instant kill on someone or solo 4 player lol :)

Stopped playing Guildwars when Anet ruined the two thing enjoyable in this game: pvp and economy.

02/26/06 10:14

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

I perfer sword because they attack faster!

02/26/06 15:19

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

I prefer Swords For there speed and they have some power my sword im using at the moment is victos blade

axes on the other hand deal a little more damage and has lots of adrenaline moves which deal quite a bit i use victos axe

hammers are all round peices of **** or maybe im just really bad with them u decide by the time you hit once with the hammer you would have hit then twice with the sword or axe sure hammer deals more damage in one strike but is way to slow

i mainly use swords For Farming Because of the bleeding.

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02/27/06 07:35

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

u guys keep talking bout swords and how good they are for cripples and bleeding - here are my points for axes
1 - dismember - axe twist - axe rake = weakness, crippled, deep wound
2 - executioners strike and cleave = constantly good dmg
3 - most are adrenaline so u can preserve energy for awsome shouts (IWAY and for great justice)
4 - heres an awsome skill bar.for

(PVP SKILL BAR)
- cleave
-dismember
-executioners strike
- axe rake
-axe twist
-healing sig
-res sig
-iway or for great justice

(GENERAL FIGHTING)
-cleave
-dismember
-healing sig
-for great justice
-executioners strike
-axe twist/rake (wutever one cripples i forget)
-cyclone axe
-restore life/rebirth/ressurect/etc.

03/12/06 12:46

Hammerite Rozsda

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

i posted a good Hammer build as a Guide but it doesnt appear yet...its something really good and strong in PvP, hope you will like it...once its posted :S

03/12/06 12:52

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

Swords all the way no contest. Seriously all the great video game characters use sword ie: Link (the original warrior). lets face it Hammers r 4 little fat midjits and axes r 4 firefighters.

03/12/06 21:19

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

Axes FTW + FTL

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03/12/06 21:30

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

I used to be strictly Swords, but have found adrenaline/axe and axe builds period tend to work consistantly for all around pvp,pve,farmin, etc., all weapons seem to have their pros and cons,i do prefer axes as of today, but hammers are certainly coming back surely but slowly, i do agree hammers are well underated but seem to only benefit in pvp (ex.knockdown wars),but i do see it on the rise so gamers beware, the knockdown is making a comeback....

Conclusion: Swords FTL - Axes FTW - Hammers*

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03/13/06 13:59

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Axes FTW + FTL

couldn't have put it better myself!

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03/13/06 14:02

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FTL as in For the Lewt lolololol

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03/17/06 18:56

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RE: axes vs swords vs hammers

swords all the way good skills and damage hammers can do massive damage but are really slow and axes are only good for skills

03/18/06 16:42

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swords all the way good skills and damage hammers can do massive damage but are really slow and axes are only good for skills

Why yes you are right about the axe part but you know what... you could use the frenzy skill to increase the speed of a hammer, let alone the hammer's many skills(more then the swords).

Oh and by-the-way what you said about the sword is partially true in conserning that a warrior would go for the sword, because the sword doesn't really rely on adrenaline based skills as much as the axe does. Even it's best skills use either, non-adrenaline or low costing adrenaline skills which are able to preform well even with a little amount of it, let alone you can use it with a shield.

I would rather use a hammer over a sword/axe and shield, combo group anyday. Oh and by-the-way my character is Ranger/Warrior, which more than makes up for what I've been saying about this topic from personal experiences using all three.

03/18/06 19:25

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swords all the way good skills and damage hammers can do massive damage but are really slow and axes are only good for skills

Yeah great but swords still kick a** with good skill combinations but then so does any weapon still your reply was well thought out and explained but your disision is only what you think and i really dont care

03/18/06 19:35

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I cannot believe noone has come to defend hammers yet haha... Alright lets look here you guys are pretty much all into swords and axes so im gonna be the devils avocate and defend the little guy HAMMERS!( and get some pretty savage retaliation on this I but meh. =D)

Swords, attack pretty good dmg is consistant and use mana skills mainly from what ive read on here.

Axes, attack pretty good dmg is more spiked and use mostly adrenal skills drom what ive read on hear.

Hammers, attack pretty slow as you say and although they hit hard its not worth it. not too much said on their skills just a lot of people dissing it without really good arguments. Few people said its underrated and two thumbs up to them.

see what happens when a sword or axe guy goes up against a prepared mes? haha energy burn or soothing images have fun using your skills buddy! Ona hammer war this is the same but a GOOD hammer war has a mix of both, 3-4 mana and 3-4 adrenal skills and a raise sig of course. Making a mes have to be MORE prepared for a crazy hammer war than a axe war or sword war.

somoene said that they have more chances to inflict bleeding when someone has that chance to block or evade effect on them let me introduce you to irresistible blow, usualy hits for 138 on my hammer war, cant be evaded if he blocks it their knocked down.. so that means when a ranger does it to cast his regen, i knock him down interuptin it, when a mesmer uses distortion i can still hit him, when a monk uses ( guardian i believe) he gets knocked down and cant cast his heal lol.

Someone said their char has good conditions like weakness bleeding and deep wound or whatever on their axe war, another said bleeding deep wound and cripple on their sword war... these are nice features, but if you come up to me i can give you a deep wound, weakness, and BLIND,yeah BLIND! Crippels cool, bleeding is alright its nothing what people make it out to be in my oppinion, but blind is intense. have fun hitting me with all that black gunk in your eyes!! haha and honestly i have yet to be beaten ona 1 on 1 duel with any war, we start the fight i knock him down hes blind, we wresle fora bit hes weakened an constant knockdowns he tries to run bull strike. like seriously boys hammers are sweet you just need to use them right.

someone said shield= better armor= nice or something it's 16 armor guys... thats nothing crazy

and about that attacking so slow, i think its because most of the time swords and axes attack TWICE but only one dmg number pops up. they do attack faster but not by alot at all.Sit a hammer war an axe war side by side you will see ( if the hammer war is chain skilling anyway plus i will avenge you is nuts ona hammer war)

Lastly ive yet to see an axe war or a sword war take the boon monk out in any pvp game by themselves, you sick me on that rascal an he'll be dead in 30...seconds that is if bullstrike goes off anyway sometimes i blow it an we get to play the running game..

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