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thejeni

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Defeat or Death?

So i've notice some people seem to differ on views of whether their hero is a true hero or a vigilante. and i was wondering what everyone out there has decided their toon is. Liz for example is most deffinatly a vigilante. I mean her battle cry is, "DIE".... she uses a an assult rifle, that has been upgraded so not only does it shoot full auto, but it also will act as a flamethrower, a gernade, and buckshot... i mean do these things really seem like the tools you would use for "arresting" someone.

but that's just Liz... how about your heroes?

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09/23/04 22:50

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Re: Defeat or Death?

*points at avatar*

Moncro is not the arresting sort. Unless it's cardiac arrest.

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09/24/04 00:16

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Re: Defeat or Death?

In every incarnation of Shockwave I've ever played, and I'm talking about from back at his original creation for Champions. That was a couple years ago, and for role playing purposes in CoH his past has been severely altered, but the one thing that has always remained the same about him is his struggle to remain a "hero". There has always been some tragedy in Shockwave's life that causes him to fall from his idolized ideas of heroes to the gritty reality of vigilanteism. It's a classic conflict of trying to do the right thing, while at the same time being willing to use any means necessary to get the job done. The villains have no restraints, why should he?

The point of all this babbling is that I'm not sure where to place Shockwave, because while he strives to remain true to his ideals, he's more often than not tempted into finishing the job so that evil will not persist to come back months or even years later. Does that make him a vigilante or something else entirely? Perhaps an anti-hero of sorts?

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09/24/04 03:17

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Re: Defeat or Death?

Well, since most of my toons are Controllers, I am going to say hero. Controllers don't have much in the way of blasting power, but we sure can "arrest" someone!

09/24/04 05:35

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Re: Defeat or Death?

My main Spyhunter, is more like a freelance hero although he work best with a team, able to help offensively and defensively.

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09/24/04 08:19

thejeni

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Re: Defeat or Death?

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My main Spyhunter, is more like a freelance hero although he work best with a team, able to help offensively and defensively.

so does that mean he just arrests them?

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09/24/04 14:47

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Re: Defeat or Death?

I would have to say: Defeat for humans, (gangs, orginizations) and death for all the freaky monsters. (lost, rikti, devouring earth, etc.)

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09/24/04 16:21

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Re: Defeat or Death?

My hero is of the same viewpoint as DarknessFallz. People villians are arrested and tried and maybe then offed for the horrible crimes. Monsters are offed immediately for their obvious crimes of invasion and attempted genocide.

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09/24/04 17:43

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Re: Defeat or Death?

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Ok, little bit of a tangent here. What qualifies as a "monster"? Because the Lost were at one point human. Don't they deserve a chance to be cured of the mutagenic illness that ends up infecting them?

end tangent. You may now return to your regularly scheduled arresting, death, and/or dismemberment.

09/24/04 23:14

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Because the Lost were at one point human. Don't they deserve a chance to be cured of the mutagenic illness that ends up infecting them?

Unless the cure is available, it may be better off killing the 'lost' as mercy killing, as the name implied they 'LOST' their humanity and so lost their right to live as a human

09/25/04 04:02

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Re: Defeat or Death?

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My main Spyhunter, is more like a freelance hero although he work best with a team, able to help offensively and defensively.

so does that mean he just arrests them?

He just consider it mercy killing. Monster villain who behave badly with human he will not tolerate. 'Lost' humanoid villian with no chance of returning to their humanity side will get a swift and painless death.

09/25/04 04:05

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Re: Defeat or Death?

alright... I've actually got to weigh in on this one... and as corny as it sounds I'm with darkness... any "monster" lost included because I consider them 'irrevocably contaminated' as well as vazh (which if you folow the story of sorts are humans too) they die... anything that could be salvaged... Warriors, Tsoo (maybe, some more than others) are arrested.. aka I beat the crap out of them and now the pussy cops that run at the sight of them can haul them in.

The point is, it's how you're gaming. Gypsy is for all her arrests and killing a Lawful Good character... sometimes maybe even chaotic good... but the point is she's still good, she's out there to better our fair city. And if that means cracking the heads of some unfortunate Lost, then sorry, but they're a danger to society. I wouldn't be sent after them if they weren't a danger.

So I guess the real question is are you "Lawful Good or Chaotic Evil???"

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09/26/04 20:25

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Re: Defeat or Death?

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So I guess the real question is are you \"Lawful Good or Chaotic Evil???\"

God I'm showing my nerd colors now aren't I??? :)

maybe not your nerd colors but you are getting pretty close...... and if that is what the question is, then i would have to say Liz is chaotic neutral (i've never denied being a nerd)..... but she kills the bad guys... no other way to put it... yep kills them dead

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09/26/04 21:15

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Re: Defeat or Death?

Oh, ok so you want to talk D&D terms huh? Well, in that case I'd deffinately have to say that Shock is Chaotic Good. He'll kill if necessary, but generally prefers arrest. Cause ya know, killing things can be fun. Especially those freaky beholder wanna be's. (Yeah, I went there... I AM a nerd! Muahahahaha)

09/26/04 22:23

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Re: Defeat or Death?

Woo hoo! Go Chaotic Good! It just makes so much sense :) I typically play CG chars because I think they are easier - maybe that is my alignment. So, if the bad guy is redeemable, years of counseling to be considered, they get arrested. Monsters, who are not going to correct their eays, are permenently defeated. Who knows, maybe the Rikti are sent back to their native plane and that is where the endless aupply of them coming through portals comes from.

We don't need to be killing the bad guys, though. That would probably just provide more spare parts for the Vahz. Hmmm.... if abominations are created using superhero parts, what happens if parts from villians are used (bad guys with superpowers)?

09/27/04 01:05

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Re: Defeat or Death?

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So I guess the real question is are you \"Lawful Good or Chaotic Evil???\"

I would say that Spyhunter is probably the rarest of the alignment a TRUE Neutral then.

09/27/04 07:36

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I'm the balance to Liz. Lonestar is definetely the True Hero, not the Vigilante. I like to think of him as the Hero's Hero, definately Lawful Good all the way. D$D alignment is too cut and dried though - in Champions he following would be some of his disadvantages:

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10/04/04 18:00

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Re: Defeat or Death?

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So i've notice some people seem to differ on views of whether their hero is a true hero or a vigilante. and i was wondering what everyone out there has decided their toon is. Liz for example is most deffinatly a vigilante. I mean her battle cry is, \"DIE\".... she uses a an assult rifle, that has been upgraded so not only does it shoot full auto, but it also will act as a flamethrower, a gernade, and buckshot... i mean do these things really seem like the tools you would use for \"arresting\" someone.

but that's just Liz... how about your heroes?

The A-Team used assult rifles all the time, and home made guns too,,, they never killed anyone.

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10/04/04 19:29

thejeni

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Re: Defeat or Death?

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The A-Team used assult rifles all the time, and home made guns too,,, they never killed anyone.

Sot its truly up to you.

yeah, and well, Liz kills... no better way to get those pesky criminals off the street for good than ending their life, but that is just Liz and her upbringing... no aiming for the kneecaps w/ her...

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10/04/04 20:54

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Re: Defeat or Death?

Well...I can't seem to quite get my mind around how you would "arrest" someone with a trip mine unless its cardiac arrest so I would have to say I kill them. But hey..maybe they just get resurected at a prison hospital?

I have heard some folks argue that a hero would never kill..but if thats true we wouldn't have war heroes would we :)

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10/11/04 18:50

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Re: Defeat or Death?

It would depend on my character.

Oni no Onmitsu, my assassin for Lotus Clan of Eternal Enlightenment (shameless plug) is Lawful Neutral. She kills her enemies, but with a strict code of ethics controlled by her masters. She is one of my lowest leveled characters, but she is becoming my main more and more.

10/11/04 20:35

Randell44

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OK 90% of attack performed by characters would or could be fatal lol. Incapacitate me with claws? Heh just kill me...I don't wanna be in a wheelchair AND arrested. Guns? you try and remain non letahl with buckshot and grenades and a FLAMETHROWER. OR an axe or sword or mace lol. Most things are lethal. But we are heros so they are "arestted".

Hmm as for me most characters are chaotic Good...outside the law but with good hearts and intentions. Got one or two Chaotic evil heros in the works who just want to fight/kill/maim but it isnt socially accepted to do so to heros and civilians so he goes after villans where it is ok lol.

I don't know very much D&D but i played neverwinter nights and that is D&D based so i rolly got a slight feel for it.

I guess a true neutral would be neither villan nor hero eh?

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10/23/04 05:09

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Re: Defeat or Death?

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I guess a true neutral would be neither villan nor hero eh?

That would depend on the person observing the true neutral. I have a tn elven demon hunter. While he hunts demons and spirits, he is neither good nor evil. Apathetic is the word I would use. Many of the other characters would see many of his actions as evil because they do not fit into the neat package of good versus evil that the average character would tend to believe in.

For example, in a recent campaign, he lied to the leader of his party, attacked a member of is own party (rendering said member unconcious, but not seriously wounding him), and let two prisoners go -- only to turn around and kill one of the prisoners as a warning and send the other back to the opposing force before secretly killing the last prisoner in front of the opposing force. Then, he tricked the rest of the party into holding another elf prisoner simply because he did not want to be bothered by this other elf while he did what needed to be done.

The end effect was good, as the morale of the opposing force raised briefly, then came crashing down to nothing. The ending result was the opposing force was relatively easy to rout despite their greater numbers. Yet, the actions, themselves, were evil.

As for AD&D and Neverwinter Nights... Personally, I prefer 2e, but NWN is not really that accurate of a representation of 3e (which is the system NWN is based on). It should be enough to learn the basics on, but if you like that style, I would recommend finding a local group to sit in with before making your mind up on it.

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11/05/04 19:57

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Re: Defeat or Death?

I'm open to anything :).

And not to quibble but are you sure he is true neutral lol?

Seems to me he would lean one way or the other slightly with those actions :P.

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I get it lol no need to explain :).

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11/06/04 03:35

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Re: Defeat or Death?

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As for AD&D and Neverwinter Nights... Personally, I prefer 2e, but NWN is not really that accurate of a representation of 3e (which is the system NWN is based on). It should be enough to learn the basics on, but if you like that style, I would recommend finding a local group to sit in with before making your mind up on it.

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11/06/04 04:37

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Re: Defeat or Death?

I guess my idea of true neutral is doing what needs done, regardless of appearances of good or evil by social standards.

For example, if you knew Person A was going to be a mass murderer in a years time, what would you do?

A good character would debate about this person not being a mass murderer *yet*, so they are still an innocient. They could change their future.

An evil character might just as well let Person A roam free, or even try to accellerate it, so it is next week, not next year, that this person becomes a murderer.

A true neutral person would simply remove the possiblity by removing the person. What needed done is done, even if they are considered a criminal for it.

11/06/04 05:10

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I tend to agree with the rest of the people here. I mean if we actually arressted baddies then there should be a place where we can talk to past baddies beaten. Like a jail or an insane asylum. My Blaster most defeinitely feels vigilante like, where as my scrapper LOOKS like a goodie 2 shoes, but has dark melee (isn't dark in generaly looked at as a vigilante type attack?) and he deals massive damage. Anywho, I think there should be a place to visit past baddies to help develope the story instead of contacts that tell us to kill 20 Tsoo 5 times in a row followed by Warehouse raids 4 times in a row, and then call that a story arch.....lol.

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