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rjconroy

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lets talk about smite monks ..

ok, so lets say you want to turn your monk into a damage dealer..with some healing on the side ... play the dark monk if you will... ive seen very little on this topic, so i thought id see what you guys would do build wise

the healing side is there is needed, but it just isnt my thing on a regular basis .. dont mind doing it in a pinch i guess.. but id rather do something different with him

obviously smite and banish are on the bar .. so there are three real questions:
-what would you think the best seconday here ?
-what skills would you put on the bar ?
-how would you balance the points ?

if there is some other thread i didnt see (and yes, i did a search for smite and came up with little or nothing) .. please let me know... but i would love to hear the thoughts on this one

03/20/06 13:31

Torlax

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

Anti warrior is so easy to do with a smite monk. Just have zelots fire and keep spaming heal skills. WOW that just made me think of something. Me/Mo fast casting healing skills with zelots fire. Down go the warriors.

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03/20/06 13:32

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

Nihil.... Nihil, where are you, this topic is calling out to you !!

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03/20/06 13:38

rjconroy

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

good one .... im a huge proponent of the unusual, thought provoking stuff that catches the cookie cutters off guard

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03/20/06 13:38

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

Smite monks are like mesmers, rare and shunned. Hmm, that gives me and idea. I think I'm gonna make one. :)

03/20/06 13:40

Torlax

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

smite monks would become more common if there was a skill that caused you to get healed if you smite an enemy. This would be a great elite skill that would even out smiteing and healing makeing fighting monks more common.

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03/20/06 13:42

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

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Smite monks are like mesmers, rare and shunned. Hmm, that gives me and idea. I think I'm gonna make one. :)

Im going to make a smite mesmer then, see how many groups shun me then.

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03/20/06 13:46

Torlax

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

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Im going to make a smite mesmer then, see how many groups shun me then.

I would try the build out in pvp random first to see if it works then you can have proof that you can be more deadly then anything else.

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03/20/06 13:47

rjconroy

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

well as my fav char is a mesmer/necro, this should be right up my alley :)

i started this last week using a build .. but am not yet satisfied with it, thus the post

wonder whether one of those or an ele would be better seconds ? have to research this more for sure

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03/20/06 13:47

Torlax

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

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well as my fav char is a mesmer/necro, this should be right up my alley :)

wonder whether one of those or an ele would be better seconds ? have to research this more for sure

If you have some extra gold I would just change my secondary profession in Heros Audence and buy a few skill and try it out. If it fails then not more then a few thousend gold lost.

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03/20/06 13:49

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

Smite monks should have Strength of Honor, Judge's Insight, Shield of Judgement, Blessed Aura, Blessed Signet, Smite Hex, a res spell(any, or signet), and 1 other. Monks in general, smiting or otherwise, are support characters; they aren't made to deal direct damage (which is why smite monks who try to do direct damage suck except in large numbers). Smite monks just increase the damage that other characters do; 1 smite monk with this setup and 2 warriors does as much damage as 2 elementalists and is a reasonably effective tertiaty healer as well (as well as tanks).

I'd say that the secondary class for a smite monk doesn't really matter; you can use any of them equally well. I myself would probably use Ranger for Serpent's Quickness or Mesmer for Mantra of Inscriptions, but I've seen smite monks effectively use no secondary at all.

03/20/06 13:51

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

personally i enjoy the Sig of judgment monk spike, but it has to be really well-coordinated to work, and it doesnt really work for pve at all if thats what you want a smite monk for. but for this build you should use a mes secondary for mantra of inscriptions.

03/20/06 14:04

rjconroy

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

ok, bet with all due respect .. WHY do they suck ... or do they really suck at all ?

seems to me, that with the proper build they can deal alot of damage. i think theres alot of damage that could be done by doing a proper build with the right secondary. i think the bigger issue here is the perception, not the reality.

03/20/06 14:06

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

Smite monks dont suck. I was in a team arena group and I was trapping where our smite monk with zelots fire would stand. When a warrior is a big enough sucker. BOOM!!! three traps and a boat load of smiteing power. I wonder what the over kill was on that.

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03/20/06 14:09

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

this sound like a good opertunity to get me siked to make my monk a smiter to kick but in HoH agains all the IWAY teams.. all i need is enough friends... who's willing to make a anti IWAY group for HOH with me? my IGN: Jaden Death -- btalak to me then about it. i'd be happy to do this..

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03/20/06 14:13

Torlax

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

Maybe with the new professions, smiting monks will become more common due that ritualits can do a fair amount of healing also.

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03/20/06 14:17

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

i cant wait to be a rituualist. he he he

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03/20/06 14:18

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

Smite monks can be very powerful; my own personal preferred group contains a smite monk. However, their skills are not suited to playing in the style of an Elementalist; the direct damage skills that they have tend to have long recharges (and to a lesser degree cast times) that simply prevent them from being useful. Smite monk spikers can deal massive damage, but, like most other spike teams, they kill one target as a group, then sit and do little or nothing for 15-20 seconds before killing the next target. Lone smite monks are more of a nuisance than anything else because they are only a threat once or twice a minute.

This is why smite monks are best suited to putting enchantments on their allies to beef up the allies' damage; Strength of Honor on a sword or axe warrior can deal 50 damage in 7 seconds (more if they use Frenzy or Flurry) and does this consistently. And putting Shield of Judgement on a monk who is getting attacked will either deal major damage to the attacker or convince them that it isn't worth attacking that character.

03/20/06 14:26

rjconroy

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

once factions hits ... a monk/ritualist would be nice perhaps.

anyone heard about swapping in the new classes as secondaries yet ?

will there be added quests in the desert for this or will we have to do that in Cantha ?

03/20/06 15:32

Nihil Zarathustra

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

:( class made me miss a good topic..stupid class..

Edit: but anyway when i play a smite monk i use 3 builds. If i am going to go to d'alesio or some place crawling with undead i take a direct dmg build which is SoJ, smite, banish, bane sig, holy strike, mend ailment, smite hex, healing breeze.

If i am going to go with a team to FoW i bring:
Res (any type), banish, bane signet, SoJ, zealots fire, smite hex, orison of healing, dwaynas kiss.

If i am going with a group on a normal mission i bring:
Res (any type), banish, SoJ, Str of Honor, Judge's Insight, Smite Hex, mend ailment, symbol of wrath.

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03/20/06 15:39

Jhnboyman

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

how would smite monks do lots of damage?

i mena banish and most smiting skills do little over 60 damage max!

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04/03/06 00:17

Nihil Zarathustra

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

Ah good question. It's because smiting skills are low cost spells. So even though banish only does 60dmg it also only costs 5en to do it. So you can spam them with a 20/20 staff.

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04/03/06 00:20

slye_boy

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

if you do it right, it does the dmg, i can take out a warrior in less then 30 sec? i'm sure. balth aura, Sig oJ then holy strike pretty much eats them alive, so yes smiting skills with a monk do do enough dmg.

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04/03/06 00:22

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RE: lets talk about smite monks ..

In addition to being low cost spells, they also deal holy damage which, with the exception of Judge's Insight, ignore armor. As does shadow damage.

04/03/06 00:27

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