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A L E X Z A N

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Coins are dropping prices...

I was at ebay looking for stuff and decided to look up guild wars. Behold guild wars coins for 1M have drop alot since I last check. I am wondering should I buy 1M coins to give me more coins than what I have now, I am tired of playing for hours and hours and I'm not getting anywhere.

What do you think? Should I do it or Not to do it?

03/22/06 11:06

Rogue

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

you shouldn't

buying gold on EBAY is against the EULA of guildwars, and if A-Net catches you you could get banned.

and to top it off you'll lose respect on this forum ;-)

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03/22/06 11:07

Krypper

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

Yeah...dont. Not only is it against the Terms of Service, but its an underhanded way to play the game that puts people with more RL money at a high advantage over those without massive amounts to spend on fake cash.

Plus, its fake cash...

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03/22/06 11:08

Kanna

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

I don't think you should. It's not fair, and your only contributing to the sweetshops in China. All of them poor kids being made to play GWs, to support stuff like that. Not to mention, your helping to screw up the economy more than it already is. It more or less comes to your morals.

I say you shouldn't as its cheating, and think of all the poor kids. Plus your paying real money for fake stuff. But its your money, you can do whatever you want to do.

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03/22/06 11:09

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

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I don't know if you should have posted something like this here, like said above you will lose respect here, just play the game to have fun, I mean isn't that the purpose of games?

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I don't think you should. It's not fair, and your only contributing to the sweetshops in China. All of them poor kids being made to play GWs, to support stuff like that.

Sorry, I had to quote that lol, is that true? lol

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03/22/06 11:11

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

Yeah, buying in-game money is against the EULA, plus it also screws up the economy. I mean, if everyone started buying their gold, then the economy would tank, making the game horrible, everyone would have everything and some players would have nothing and wouldn't be able to buy anything.

Plus it would also lose you lots of respect in the forum as Rogue said before :D

It's tempting sometimes when you're the only one without FoW or 15k armor, but then again, it's just a game. You're paying real money to have more posessions in a game...

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03/22/06 11:12

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

even worse are the people who buy a guildwars account that hase been already made and has 3 or 4 lvl 20 people

cus then you get these hard core noobs trying to tank FoW and all they do is agro everything

or there trying to "play the game right" and there playing fort ranik with a lvl 20 warrior and they are set to sword but are using a chaos axe (hehehe there was one of these guys im my group and he couldnt understand why me at lvl 7 could tank a bunch of charr and kill them before he could..... i had droks platemail armor and knights gauntlets so i took no dmg from physical atack) those are the worst kind of people, they play with the account that someone else has made so they have no *kitten*ing clue how to actually play the game, and by the tim you relise this there are around 4000000000 people kicking the *kitten* out of you

:) kind of off topic but kind of not

ps DONT BUY GOLD ON EBAY... make a 55 monk and farm minos

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03/22/06 11:14

Kanna

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

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I don't think you should. It's not fair, and your only contributing to the sweetshops in China. All of them poor kids being made to play GWs, to support stuff like that.

Sorry, I had to quote that lol, is that true? lol

From my understanding there is. There was once a huge article about it somewhere. I'll have to try to find it. ^^

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03/22/06 11:17

GStricto

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

I don't know why you people think it will "OMG LIEK RUIN TEH ECONOMEH!!!"

The fact is that most of the people buying gold are sending it straight back into the money sinks (read: 15k and FOW armors).

So they pay their money, sure, they stick some of it into the ecto economy, but people in that business already have much more cash than they really "need", and then they turn around and essentially "delete" the money from ANet's systems.

Sure, it's against EULA, it's not fair to some people, etc. Is it as detrimental to the economy as all the fan-boys want to think? Ehh, show me some numbers on how much gold actually sells via bots and what it goes towards. Since you people are bringing the charges that it is "bad" you have to prove it. The burden of proof always lies on proving guilt, not inocence.

03/22/06 11:19

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

HERE is a nice article lani wrote a while ago

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03/22/06 11:25

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

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Something tells me you bought gold off ebay...

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03/22/06 11:26

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

Ultimately it is up to you. If you respect the agreement you agreed to when you installed the game then no you shouldn't.

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03/22/06 11:26

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

I guess buying coins is not a good idea thanks for the information :) Good to know there are still hardcore players out there ;)

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03/22/06 11:27

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

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Since you people are bringing the charges that it is "bad" you have to prove it.

any econ students can actually prove what an 'unlimited' access to resources does to effect the economy, stability, and inflation.

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03/22/06 11:30

A L E X Z A N

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

Somtimes you have to wonder, why there are so many people standing near the storage on ascalon city doing nothing just standing there. Make you wonder?

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03/22/06 11:36

XMegidoX

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

They are probs taking out the huge sums of money and materials from a previous character for their new one XD

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03/22/06 11:37

osmosisjones

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Ok what happens in an economy if the ammount of wealth is increased but not the supply... prices of things raise becuase everyone has money so people charge more for items due to people being able to afford more.

To explain that easier imagine if there was 2 different guild wars server 1 has 10x the amount of gold drops to server 2 (for every 100 gold server 1 gets server 2 gets 10 gold).
Now just as an example people in server 1 will charge 200k for some items but in server 2 the same item will be going for 20k due to the supply of GW gold.
Now imagine if the people from server 2 get moved to server 1 the prices are way too high for them to afford the items they could before, and therefor it is unfair to them.

This is the same as buying guild wars gold (people buying GW gold server 1, people not server 2).

Basically what im trying to say is if there is an increase in money in an economy prices raise and people who dont buy gold are the ones who are missing out as they wont be able to afford these new prices. Not to mention if alot of people bought gold the amount of farming would drop because everyone would have money and have no need to farm therefor lowering supply even more and raising the prices yet again.

I think I have just managed to confuse myself here, so I definetly confused everyone else. o_O

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03/22/06 11:38

Kanna

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

No, what you said makes perfect sense.

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03/22/06 11:47

Anathor

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

Ha, ha. When I am done with a mission or whatever it is that I've been trying to accomplish, I usually end up at storage to store things I picked up. It is not uncommon for me to stop and take a break at storage without logging off. If others are like me, that may explain why some people "hang out" at storage. It is also a good meeting spot for sales.--Be the first to get the good trade...

Maybe I have my head buried in the sand, but I don't think that people hanging out around storage, or 55hp monks leaving Droknars necessarily means that something shady is occuring.

03/22/06 11:47

mrbob

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

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Maybe I have my head buried in the sand, but I don't think that people hanging out around storage, or 55hp monks leaving Droknars necessarily means that something shady is occuring.

Of course theres somthing going on your just not in on it. :p

03/22/06 12:03

bliss

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Maybe I have my head buried in the sand, but I don't think that people hanging out around storage, or 55hp monks leaving Droknars necessarily means that something shady is occuring.

hmm at 7:30 central this morning i was standing in droks selling some misc. stuff from missions the night before. i remembered reading about just watching bots log in and immediately leave droks, so i went towards the entrance and just watched. literally flocks and flocks of blue dots appearing and setting out immediately. soooo i started opening trades with them and they would get all confused, got kinda hilarious.

03/22/06 12:19

Kanna

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

Yea, all the bots moved there. But I to agree with what he is saying. Cause alot of times I go to storage to put stuff in there, and then I'll just get up and do something else, alot of times I'll go to work, while still standing at storage. Plus alot of people are there to sell and buy stuff. So you have like 4 kinds of people there. xD

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03/22/06 12:23

Kar2uns

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

We as a community agree for the most part that the practice of buying gold from a website for real world money is both against the EULA and is bad for the economy. The reality is that thousands of players every week go to these websites and purchase this product, if they didn't then these websites wouldn't be in business. Being that most of this is done in countries like China, nothing will ever be done because the powers that be in China will not enforce the EULA and it is up to ANet to spend a huge amount of time and money trying to curb it and keep it under control. The sweat shop owner more then likely uses a key gen program to generate accounts so very little cost to him if an account is disabled. He just inputs another key and off he goes.

03/22/06 13:18

hihikaru sato

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

in my opinion buyin game items for RL items is really stupid firstly u r not really granteed to get the item and it just spoils the fun of the game

03/22/06 13:34

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

oh wow...it's true about the bots, I decided to go to droks to see what the fuss is about and they just keep streaming by. I've noticed several with the guild tags [ecto] and [gold] ....I tried opening trade with them, they open the window, but they just go right through the gate and end the session.

remarkable.

03/22/06 13:49

Anathor

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

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Maybe I have my head buried in the sand, but I don't think that people hanging out around storage, or 55hp monks leaving Droknars necessarily means that something shady is occuring.

Of course theres somthing going on your just not in on it. :p

Lol. :) Certainly it may be so, but I'd be suffering from schizophrenia and paranoia if I believed that everything was conspiracy oriented. However, perhaps with hordes of verifiable evidence, I could be convinced.

Bliss, you're diabolical. That's just kinda funny.

Lastly, I recently started using the trolls area to gain exp. quickly to build up some of my characters and unlock elites and skills. Abusing these types of areas does nothing but cause Anet to render them unuseable by solo builds. I'm not an agressive farmer, and what I do to build up my characters is extremely modest--don't have enough gold to buy even four ectos for FoW armor; but abuse of these areas will end up causing everyone to lose. That sucks.--Another example of the affects of greed-induced inflation and attempts to prevent it.

03/22/06 14:08

GStricto

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

Yes yes, I have heard it all before. I have taken both micro and macro economics at the college level.

Yes, unlimited supply would ruin a real economy, but look at it from the perspective of the people who actually would buy the gold.

They probably want FOW or 15k armor for their characters. They have an "unlimited" supply that goes into an "unlimited" money sink. See the point? The demand is there to look better in the game or to spend less time farming themselves. Perhaps it is a husband who works 50 hour weeks, watches his kids, etc. He maybe gets 2 hours every Sunday night to play the game. Is it fair that he shouldn't be able to have the same armors as the 12 year olds that can spend 2-6 hours a day? Some might argue that it's perfectly fair, but I can gurantee that the husband probably won't agree with you.

So sure, he might go buy some gold and immediately turn around and remove it from the economy just for the sake of enjoying some better looking armor. LIEK OMG HE IS OBVIOUSLY CHEATING AND F---ING WITH TEH CASH MONIES!!!

I'm one of those people who have time to spare (being in college, I can find/make time to play) and get the stuff via farming. The people with the funds and motivation to buy off ebay more than likely don't have the same schedules.

So yes, in THEORY bot farming and selling should ruin a REAL economy. Guild Wars is not the same as real life though.

As for someone saying that I bought gold off ebay, let me say that A) ebay is more expensive than some of the sites you could get it from, B) I do have the time to farm, and C) I enjoy debates for the sake of informing others of their ignorance or for honing the vague ideas I and other participants may have.

03/22/06 14:13

XMegidoX

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

Stricto, you seem to be very naive.
In about 1/10 cases it would be for FoW armor. In the others its just so that they have it to buy moderate priced greens so that they can drive the prices up for their own ones.

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03/22/06 14:16

Ghost Deathblade

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

dont buy coins because you will get banned! just try make some money for running or farming its the best way not to get banned!

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03/22/06 14:16

Nihil Zarathustra

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RE: Coins are dropping prices...

Actually unlimited supply can ruin the ingame economy as well. If you have a supply-demand curve with unlimited supply of any given item the you have a major overstock of that item. Then demand slowly starts to fall but there really is no way to balance it since you can merchant the item but that wont really effect the price. For example:

Let's say everyone went out and massed farmed FoW and UW and we all have 15^50 fellblades or the means with which to buy these fellblades (farming or EBAY). Now at that point in time demand for the fellblades will plummet since everyone has a fellblade so a new item is going to be sought after, say chaos axes.. The process repeats. Given enough time and if everyone has access to infinite wealth without the cost of time (this is what ebay provides given that you have enough physical money. but physical money is made while you ate not playing GW so that is not a cost since you would be making the money anyway) then demand can actually drop to 0 for every item including crystiline swords, dwarven axes, and all those little rare goodies. Of course ANet can remedy this by constantly introducing new items which would increase overall demand..but if they fail to introduce a new item in a set amount of time and enough people do use Ebay and other sites then it is possible for demand to drop to 0.

Another scenario is that by constantly using ebay and not spending it on FoW armor but rather hording the gold and items, it is possible for farming to decrease enough that prices will skyrocket and then it will force people to buy gold in order to be able to trade.

Either way there really is no good that comes out of buying gold from EBAY.

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03/22/06 14:25

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