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Darknessfallz

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Who are you Voting for?

Just an interesting thought. Don't want to start a war here, just wondering who your voting for and why?
(keep the why's at a minimal)

There are 3 reasons for my vote, which is Bush.

1. I'm all out republican, so I support our party candidate.
2. Kerry is to inconsistent for my taste.
3. I would rather see less power in the central government, and more power to the states. Generally, republicans follow this mentality.

Have fun! (plese don't kill each other over this) heheheh.

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10/01/04 10:59

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Re: Who are you Voting for?

Who would want a President Kerry? I mean, doesn't Kerry sound like a girl's name? My niece is named Kerrie. My best friend's wife is named Carrie. I'd rather not my president be named Kerry. It would just add more fuel for the Canadians to make fun of us.

10/01/04 12:34

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It's just sad that those are your only choices... rock and a hard place much?

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10/01/04 21:18

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I'm going Independant, I don't like Bush or Kerry, and I'm not going to go for the lesser of the two evils vote this time.

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10/01/04 21:20

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Re: Who are you Voting for?

Omigosh! The ad in the banner is for W ketchup. Freaky.

Anyhow, I have already voted for Kerry, absentee ballot. When I was younger, I thought the choices would be easier. Like, duh! If you're a Republican, you vote for Bush and if you're a Democrat, you vote for Kerry. But now, blah! It really is a lot like choosing who I want in the office least and then picking the other guy.

BTW, I don't take offence at anyone's differing political views than mine (especially as I haven't really stated any opinions), but not voting for Kerry because his name is feminine? I think I might take offence to that :P Actually, I think it's a strong name, though that might be due to the hard K sound.

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10/01/04 21:50

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and that my friends is why I choose not to vote... come on... Bush... you know how many jokes can be made of that especially since he hangs out with a Dick and a Colin... I'm just saying... kind of funny...

As for Kerry... does he have problems with names??? Has to pick a running mate with the same name??? Just curious.

I don't vote not because I don't care... if someone were to actually touch upon things I cared about... then I'd vote... but this constant bickering over the "war" pisses me off...

You know if I'd been in Bushes shoes I'd have had a friggin heart attack, and not have known what to do... especially knowing that whatever the choice is... it's gonna be wrong with half the country.

I get such a kick out of the people that take others voting opposing them to heart funny... there's this girl in my English class, that at least twice in the time we're there checks out the Kerry website... when she asked who I was voting for and I sad no one... well she's been trying to convince me to vote ever since.

If I actually thought either of these guys would make a real difference in the world... then I'd be interested.. instead it's the usual shuffling of the paperwork, and the people... "oh if there were just a Republican/Democrat president and a Republican/Democrat senate and house then things would really get done..." Yep... the way only about half the population wanted it.

Alright enough ranting... just saying... they've both got names the Canadian's can make fun of us for ;)

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10/01/04 22:51

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ok, for the 1st time in my life i have registered to vote (i'm 26)... i HATE politics, and i am really beginning to hate our government.... but the reason i registered is so i can vote AGAINST bush.... i think what he has done to this once great country is a travisty.... americans are hated all around the world now (and i don't blame them at all for it)

i guess i should also mention at this point that i am a passivist (a rare breed from what i've learned) i think violence solves NOTHING, and this war thing that bush has been doing makes my heart hurt.... i see pictures, and read article about the places our troups have been and i get sick.... i know most humans have become immune to the strife of others, but i've never been able to be.... one of the reasons i don't watch the news or look at anything in the newspaper other then the comics and the classifides... but since bush has been in office it has been thrown in my face to the point that i can't ingore it and that makes me so frustrated....

ok i guess i've ranted on about this enough (there is plenty more rants in there though)

10/02/04 10:55

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I am going with kerry in November. Bush has got to go.

10/02/04 12:09

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Fahrenheit 911 Its a documentary. Watch it before you head to the polls. If you still plan on voting for Bush you may as well put a gun to your head for if he is re-elected someone else will, Gauranteed.

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3. I would rather see less power in the central government, and more power to the states. Generally, republicans follow this mentality

LOL thats just funny...*cough* Patriot Act *cough*

Oh and heres some fun facts..
*Bush lost Republican contol of the senate not even 4 months into his term.

*Bush was on vacation 42% of the time during 2001.Bush's month-long vacation in August 2001 was the longest presidential vacation in 32 years.

*Iraq has never attacked the United States. Iraq has never threatened to attack the United States. Before we occupied Iraq no US citizen has ever been killed in Iraq.NO weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq.

* Some 15 of the 19 terrorists who hijacked the four planes on Sept. 11 were from Saudi Arabia.... No one was from Iraq - the other four were from the United Arab Emirates, Egypt, and Lebanon.

*Interim President Khamid Karzai (assigned by Bush) was previously an advisor at Unocal.

Now before anyone starts lecturing me on what a twit Kerry is save your breath. As long as we have a two party Buy and Consume government I will never vote. I like to sleep with a guilt free consience.

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10/02/04 23:48

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Ok, I was going to stay out of this because I really hate to mix my politics with my RPG (heh that just sounds funny), but I guess I might as well throw my hat into the pot as well. Personally I'm voting for Kerry, among other things I don't like Bush's policies concerning the environment. I just don't see why, with all the technology and optional resources available to us that we have to open up thousands of acres of old growth, never even seen a road, forest to loggers.

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10/03/04 00:38

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Interesting film... still not voting, but made me think. :)

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10/03/04 10:47

thejeni

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Shockwave, that was a VERY scary link.... and now i'm wondering why the government is hiding the fact that we were bombed, not just planes hijacked, but actually bombed.....

10/03/04 11:53

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yes, but then theres the speculation that maybe we did it ourselves to make it look worse than it actually was.... or that we're hiding something... that someone ont eh inside of the pentagon was needing to be taken out... you know... various conspiricy theroys.

I think they just didn't want anyone to know... after all if they could bomb the pentagon... then what else are they gonna bomb???

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10/03/04 14:48

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I have to say I hate getting into politics on game forums (or anywhere really) but Bush is an imbecile put in charge by his father, so that his father could once again be in charge.

His dad wasn't able to go as far as he wanted when Iraq invaded Kuwait, so this time around, he had someone fly a plane into the twin towers, this cost them very little, i can't remember the figures but human life aside, they have actually profitted millions from it so far. I know i know, it's just another conspiracy theory, blah blah blah...

Watch Farenheit 911, points on a ton of shit about Bush which is all fact, even if it is Michael Moores take on them.

10/03/04 16:06

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I think this is going to be the one of the hardest decisions ever in an election. I don't want to see either as the next President. Unsure really. I suppose i'll vote for the candidate that has the values that most closely resemble mine.

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10/04/04 01:52

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I am voting for Bush. Mainly, because Kerry is a fair weather friend who will say whatever people are listening at the time want to hear. I can't stand indecisive people. I certainly don't want them running our country.

I heard this and it made up my mind:

http://images.radcity.net/5145/792261.mp3

Fareinheit 911 reminds me too much of the Nazi propoganda films of the 1930s that they used to oust their political enemies and bring the German people into a lemming state of compliance.

I'd rather we fight Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan, then New York and LA.

France, Germany, and Russia are not the world. We really never have had great relations with Germany or Russia. France was a fellow Republic in our Colonial days and an ally, but never really got over our refusal to bail them out a third time (The first two times being WWI and WWII) in French Indochina - They wanted us to nuke the Vietminh - DOH!- that is actually the true chip on their shoulder - they lost their colonial empire. Great Britain, Japan, Poland, Rumania, Czechesolvakia, Italy, Israel ... we still have some powerful allies... Also, what has Europe (UN) ever done to curb off an agressor since Napolean? Oh I remember, they hold our coat. Churchill - "We shall fight in the hills, the landing grounds, on the beaches, ... we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not believe, this Island was subjugated and starving, then our overseas empire guarded by the British fleet would carry on the sturggle until, in Gods good time, the new world (wait he's talking about the US now- not Canada or Brazil) with all its power and might comes to the rescue and liberation of the old." Can't say it any better.

The United States is THE world superpower now. We have been top dog since 1918. Everyone hates the guy on top, the boss, even if he passes out $100 bills (which we do with all our world aid). No matter who is in the whitehouse a large percentage of the world will hate us for just being in the position we are in.

Just because you see a large number of protesters on TV, its really a small percentage of any population. Also, left wing peoples are more liberal and do that sort of activity. You don't see as many right wing protesters for they would rather stay at home. Its an interesting social phenomenon.

Since Cain and Able there has been war in the world. Pacificsm is the surest way to encourage an agressor. It is sad to say, but its sort of Darwinian - the strong beat up on the meek. Doesn't make it right..its just the way it is.The way it always has been and the way it always will be. Man has inherent instincts that will not be denied. Unfortunately, coercion is one and greed is another. Socialism and Communism failed because of corruption. Utopina ideals are impossible. The two strongest empires on earth, the Romans and the United States were started as Republics. Our system allows for peaceful revolution every four years. You are not going to find a better system that works than that.No country has sacrificed more lives to make OTHER people free than the United States. If this is not a legacy to be proud of than nothing is. If you don't like that the US went into Iraq because Saddam really didn't have WMD, then fine I can see that point of view. I think that England and the US thought he actually did have them, but we can hypothesize all night about what happened to them. The thing that vexes me the most is - WTF - if he didnt have the WMDs and destoryed them why didn't he just show the UN a video of him destorying them? Why be so defiant about it to the UN. Kerry says - i'll go to the UN. Mmm seems to me they tried that. Thirteen resolutions later, they still didn't know for sure if he had any thing. US, British, and DOH even the Russians thought he still had them. Glad it wasn't just the US that was wrong.

Christians and Muslims have been fighting since the Crusades - thought i'd throw that in there.

What bout the ends justifies the means? I'm not a personal believer, but it is an interesting point to explore. Lets turn the clock ahead 30 years and say that Iraq now becomes a rebuilt democracy like Japan has become since WWII. Freedom for millions of Arabs results, they finally are able to pull themselves out of living a 19th century lifestyle and they start contributing to the advancement of the human race. Their prosperity and freedom bleeds over into Iran, Syria, and Jordon. The middle east changes to its own verion of a market economy similar to Europe. Perhaps at that point we look back and decide it was a good thing. For one thing is certain, our opinions don't really matter. It will be the generations of the future that look back and decide of what we did was right or wrong.

Bah - vote for who you want to vote for. It's not really the president who controls most of this stuff anywho. He couldn't wipe his ass in Iraq until Congress voted to let him - AND THEY DID vote to let him ..... doh and guess who was one of the people that voted to let him ..our good friend John Kerry. He has just as much guikt as everyone else - if you dislike the war. You know who's hands are clean..Nader.

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10/04/04 04:23

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If anything that would make me want to vote for Kerry since its obvious that A) he doesn't have an agenda and B) as you pointed out:

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It's not really the president who controls most of this stuff anywho. He couldn't wipe his ass in Iraq until Congress voted to let him

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Christians and Muslims have been fighting since the Crusades - thought i'd throw that in there.

Yes, This is true the Christians/Politicians have been exploiting and murdering inocent women and children since 1096 CE. The only difference now, the "holy land" is profit land.

Implying that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction is like saying "Hmmm my house is on fire, I have a fire truck outside but I think I'll use this 1/2 ounce glass of water to put it out instead."

And yes good old freedom... freedom for the women of the middle east to finaly see how bad they have it compared to the rest of the world, freedom to see that there's not a thing they can do about it other than commit suicide by lighting them selves on fire...good old freedom.

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10/04/04 10:50

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But, I want a leader that has an agenda and is steadfast in his or her decisions. Here is the crux of the deal for me: With Bush I know what I'm going to get. There is not a single person out there that can tell me where Kerry is going to be on an issue a week from now. The Iraq war really doesn't bother me. I think the US has a responsibility to police the world, less others ruthlessly kill innocents. I wish Clinton would have been more responsive in this matter after the first World Trade bombing, the embassy bombings, and the USS Cole bombing. He chose a path similar to the one Kerry is offering .. then bam 9/11. I don't want to wake up another morning to US citizens leaping from burning buildings.

10/04/04 13:27

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Just FYI, my 3 statements were extremely broad. I don't very much like politics and try and stay in my own bubble.

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10/04/04 16:43

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Before we end up on global policy and how its just trying to make the world safe for the Fortune 500 companies, the UN and all that jazz I'll just agree that everyone is entitled to THEIR OWN beliefs which is what freedom is in its puriest form. I (incase you havent noticed yet) have a strong dislike for the human race which bleeds through in some of my opinions. So this being my last post on this thread I leave you with This.

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10/04/04 21:36

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Dude you stole my thunder bro. I was going to point out the awesome part of the whole thing is that we can disagree on stuff like this and not get hung for sedition or marched in front of a firing squad for being against the current ruler or open protesting. Its awesome that we all can make our own choice every four years and only have to live with the consequnces for four more (setting aside global effects of our choice as you said). Its also nice to be able to give and hear opinions without being flamed or degraded with personal attacks.

The most important thing is to VOTE! Everyone vote for your choice. The worst thing you can do is not vote out of frustration and then complain. Bush won in Florida by like 510 votes. That is a drop in the bucket if everyone would have got off their asses and gone to the poll ....hell just vote permanent absentee and they mail it to you.

The really big question nobody is talking about, is who are you voting for mayor of PARAGON CITY?

Liz - I think we need a POLL on that with some creative candidates.

10/04/04 22:54

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Its also nice to be able to give and hear opinions without being flamed or degraded with personal attacks.

Can you imagine this thread on the official forums??

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The most important thing is to VOTE! Everyone vote for your choice. The worst thing you can do is not vote out of frustration and then complain.

We have a similar problem in the UK, there is a huge choice in parties here though, so there really is no excuse for not voting, like i said earlier with the US, u have 2 choices: bad and worse :)

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The really big question nobody is talking about, is who are you voting for mayor of PARAGON CITY?

Liz - I think we need a POLL on that with some creative candidates

lol, sounds like a laugh, and alot more light-hearted that this thread ;)

10/05/04 04:58

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I also posted this on my clan page. (D2Aclan.net) And there are some pretty funny radicals in there. :) As for me, I'm not sure, but I might go independant this year.

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10/05/04 10:01

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I think it's funny that everyone is taking this so seriously... Dark just asked a question and then asked why.... didn't don't think it was meant to insite a riot.

As for the whole Kerry clip.... not saying he's a good guy or a bad guy here but... every politician will tell you want they want you to hear...they say whatever is going to get them the votes in front of the people that they're in front of and then once their in office they do as they damn well please (within certian limitations ofthe office that is)... Basing your decision on his cilp is kind of silly... I'm sure you could find something like that on Bush too... or maybe a collection of his dullest moments... But I have to give them both credit for being willing to put their balls on the chopping block because reagardless of weather they get elected or not... they will forever in some peoples minds be this person that they portay right now.

I still hold my stance, I'm not voting... because neither of them are going to make a difference... You'll still hear people bitching that well things woudl have been different if we'd have elected Kerry / kept Bush.. it's not going to matter one way or another.

This is suposed to be fun all.. don't take it to seriously... life's too short to waste all this enegry worring onver who's gonna "screw up the counrty" next. :)

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Iron Man		50%
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Batman		40%

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10/05/04 10:03

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Welcome to the wonderful world of politics Sapphire. lol! Unfortunately it seems that you cannot ask even a simple question when it involves politics without people starting to froth at the mouth. Heh, took me a long while debating about even getting involved before I added my modest little post the first time around. :-D

10/05/04 20:12

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further supports why I'm not voting... life's too short to waste my time worrying about politics. ;)

You would think at my age I'd know better... but I really just don't care anymore ;D

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I didn't even cheat to get the result... first try!

Your results:
You are Wonder Woman

Wonder Woman		92%
Spider-Man		90%
Superman		85%
Green Lantern		85%
Supergirl		82%
The Flash		75%
Robin		65%
Hulk		55%
Iron Man		50%
Catwoman		40%
Batman		40%

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10/05/04 22:35

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Re: Who are you Voting for?

Heh. The post was inviting trouble. It is one of those things that you don't ask people to comment on. Like religion.

Really, I highly support everyone voting. While I would be more likely to drive you to the polling place myself if you were voting for the same person I am, I would still take you (my friends- hehe) with me so you can experience one of the great freedoms that we have as Americans. (Sorry NightMyst. I know you get elections too.)

My parents took my sister and I to the polls with them when we were little and we got to go in the booth (with the curtain) and watch them vote. As we got older, we discussed why they voted the way that they do and how sometimes they vote differently and cancel each other out. Really, the fact that we can debate this topic should bring us together :) Does everyone feel better now?

Hehe. Actually, this is a fairly civilized discussion that we have going here. No one is calling anyone else names or throwning punches. I'm so proud of us!

10/06/04 21:10

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Shockwave, about your video link, I am not tring to say that the government doesn't hide stuff from the people of the U.S., and at times I personally believe that the truth causes more damage than a lie (as you'll see below), but do you REALLY think that on 9-11 that the U.S. Government decided to bomb the Pentagon in the middle of a terrorist action. This would predicate that they had positive knowledge of the 9-11 attack prior to that date which, while possible is unlikely. However for the sake of argument lets go with that theory.

So the government hijacks an airplane on 9-11 now they have to land it somewhere, all they have to kill all the people who were on it (cause their missing, presumed dead either way their not around anymore). Now, the U.S. Military launches an attack on the Pentagon (which is in a highly populated area remember) on a day where public awareness is rather high (many people in cities were vacated out of their office buildings and were in the streets looking to the skies to see if any planes were coming). How many witnesses have come forward about a missle attack? None!!!! We are talking about thousands of witnesses in the Pentagon area and none reported an attack. Even Roswell, NM had people step forward to say they had seen a UFO and that city is much smaller with less people.

Assuming that the U.S. didn't know about the attacks, what did we do, plan a hasty hijack mission? Remember that the plane exisited and that real people we on it. The only way to have done this was for U.S. agents (i.e. people hired by the U.S.) to have been involved, and they would have had to of killed all the people on that plane and then done something to it (cause it's gone now).

Either way you will have had to of stolen a plane and made it disappear out of the sight of the public, and how many runways can support a commerical sized plane. Killed about 100 people who were on that plane, and hushed up anyone who was involved in that operation (how much money do you think that story would be worth, especially if they had proof?) My point is that video, while raising many interesting questions has more holes in its theory than the story that is reported as truth.

Now speaking of Govenment cover-ups....

On 9-11 news reporting was touch and go. Every news organization was on a full live broadcast, and little to no information was being censored. I was working dispatch at my police department that day and was listening as NBC announced that they had confirmation that a Air Force plane had fired a missle, then nothing was ever said about it again. My theory is the fight that crashed into the open field was shot down by the U.S. Military. It was then announced that people inside the plane had attempted to take it over and they crashed it. I believe that it is easier for the people of this country to cope with a plane that was crashed as opposed to one that was shot down by thier own government (better as martyr than as a victim).

Remember that that video, and Fahrenheit 9-11 are DOCUMENTARIES. A documentary is not a two sided presentation. It is an one-sided argument the purpose of which is to sway others to your view. The problem with these is that you only get the view from one side which is a big mistake.

I work for the police and I cannot do a responsible investigation by only asking one or two people about an event and then passing judgement based on that investigation. I you were arrested as a result of such an investigation you would cry foul, yet you'll accept the same thing at face value if its in video form??? Don't really on documentaries, they are worthless, they are the ultimate form of mind control, and poor reporting.

For the record I'm going to vote for Kerry. He seems to be the more stable of the candidates. While his opinions do seem to sway with the wind sometimes I feel that if you are like a tree and refuse to sway in the wind you'll be broken when a powerful gust comes.

10/07/04 04:01

Shockwave

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Re: Who are you Voting for?

See, now this is one of the reasons I really wanted to stay away from this thread. But I guess once Pandora's box is opened....

By posting that link to the video I did not mean to imply that I believe that the government blew up the Pentagon on it's own nor am I trying to imply that the government had anything to do with the highjacking of the planes that crashed. Nor do I think the authors of the video were trying to imply this either. (I could be wrong about that, but this is my interpritation after all.) What I DO believe is being said in this video is that the situation at the Pentagon was covered up and that if a plane hit the Pentagon it was the size of a Cesna, not a 757; however, that being said I also believe the cover up was created to hide the fact that perhaps the attack with the planes on New York was not the only planned form of attack. It was a damage control of a sense because someone in the government decided that after all the tragedy involving the World Trade Towers, that the American people could not handle the knowledge that these terrorists had the oppertunity and the methods to exact more than one kind of attack against us.

Anyone is welcome to disagree with me, and I respect all of your opinions, but this is the last time I'm going to speak on this thread because like Stellari said there is a reason you don't talk about politics or religion in polite company. ;-)

10/07/04 05:25

Darknessfallz

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Re: Who are you Voting for?

I've created a monster! lol. I posted this on the D2A clan site and didn't get this much reply... hehehe. And you guys rated me a 1! I'm hurt! J/K.

Guess COH is more diverse than I expected. Or maybe it was a random set of events that brought random people to game-amp? Who knows?

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