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A friend recently denounced me for 'stealthing' or 'ghosting' missions. He said I was skipping content, and missing out on the game. True, ghosting right to the glowies or bosses is a form of PLing, but I think it is part of the stalker AT. The stalker is a sort of assassin: Goes in silently, kills its target, goes out again just as quietly. If I wanted to smash everything in my path I would have built a brute.
Though I'd agree that milking the newspaper for glowy missions would mean missing out of content, but would you say that ghosting the missions the contacts give you is skipping the game, or playing the AT as it should be?
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| 04/11/06 08:39 |
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Well, my stance is this...if you are actually doing the missions and choose not to clear the map...then you are fine by me. Yes, this is what the Stalker build does, stealth in, stealth out. This is just a different playing style. I believe RonJ said he made a Brute for newspaper missions only and not missions and he has had good success with it.
From my experience, when you get higher in levels, the click the glowie to finish mission is rare. They usually turn into click glowie and oh yeah, btw, we didn't mention it, but you still have to clear the map (dumb mission descriptions).
I would not even look at this as a form of PLing, as you are putting in the time and going through the content like everyone else...err, almost like everyone else. These are your missions and you are completing them so, I say you are fine.
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| 04/11/06 08:46 |
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| QUOTE | | I would not even look at this as a form of PLing, as you are putting in the time and going through the content like everyone else...err, almost like everyone else. These are your missions and you are completing them so, I say you are fine. |
If u stealthed a misson to PL u would get more XP from killing all the enemies and completing it than going straight for the glowie.
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| 04/11/06 09:22 |
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wow you mean you used a power they gave you to your advantage? thats as bad as these people using Domination on the Bosses, shameless. lol Yeah its a power you have and it would be stupid NOT to use it. I know a SS/en brute that stealths a lot of missions, like you said unless you are going out of your way to only do click missions from like the newspaper I dont see a problem, heck most the click missions in paper make you clear the room anyway (i'm guessing to make you work a little)
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| 04/11/06 09:59 |
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being mainly an MM player(yeah, i know, so is everyone else) i think stealthing mishs is OK, because like Doc said
"wow you mean you used a power they gave you to your advantage? thats as bad as these people using Domination on the Bosses, shameless. " lol (i THINK he was being sarcastic...) but yeah, they gave you the power use it. if you didnt itd be like MMs not using pets...or cors without scourge, doms without domination, brutes without rage...kinda stupid if you ask me...
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| 04/11/06 10:22 |
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I think 'stealthing' missions is perfectly acceptable. You are merely fulfilling the mission objective. If it is a 'kill-all', and there are plenty of those, then obviously you have to kill everything. If it is a 'find X' mission, there is nothing that says you have to kill the whole map in addition to clicking on the glowie in order to complete the mission. I guess on the CoH side of things people could make the arguement that it is not very heroic to leave all those bad guys unarrested, but on the CoV side it is all about being villainous. Sometimes the most villainous thing you can do is steal something without anyone even knowing you were there.
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| 04/11/06 10:58 |
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | I would not even look at this as a form of PLing, as you are putting in the time and going through the content like everyone else...err, almost like everyone else. These are your missions and you are completing them so, I say you are fine. |
If u stealthed a misson to PL u would get more XP from killing all the enemies and completing it than going straight for the glowie. |
Yes, you would get more total xp if you killed everything on the map, but if you are talking about the RATE at which you gain xp (xp per minute), many times you are ahead by just stealthing to the objective and collecting your mission bonus. This is especially true in the later game when mission bonuses can be quite large.
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| 04/11/06 11:03 |
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Hobsnob
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| QUOTE | | If u stealthed a misson to PL u would get more XP from killing all the enemies and completing it than going straight for the glowie. |
The way it works, and it only really works well with SS, is you stealth past everyone straight to the glowy or boss. You then clear the room, and get the mission bonus. Now this may take you 2 minutes tops. Doing it normally may take you 15, 30, 45 minutes.
I can't be bothered with all the calculations, so look at this guide by NoGame.
| QUOTE | | heck most the click missions in paper make you clear the room anyway (i'm guessing to make you work a little) |
Lol try the tsoo ones (and some CoT ones). When running heroic you get a luit and a minion in the room, for either kill boss or click glowy.
I have used the PL method once or twice. One time I was one bar from getting a power (forget what it was, but I wanted it), so I did 4 stealthed newspaper missions and get there in no time.
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| 04/11/06 11:55 |
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Meh! Stealthing a stalker to the end and getting only the mission bonus is PL'ing?!? The nerve of some people! What in the world is more villainous than taking out the head of an organization while leaving the rest of his guards or entourage alive to wonder how you did it. I harken back to the original "stalker" types; the "hashishiun" warriors of the arabs during the Crusades. Oh, you may know them as the westernised version of the name: Assassin. They would go into a fully guarded camp during the night and leave the commander dead in his tent without harming another person. This so demoralised the Crusaders that it darn near won the wars on its own. In fact, many a small army of Crusaders gave up the war and went home due to this tactic. I wont bore you with the further historical models that used similar tactics. I am a little disappointed that this exact type of mission isnt a requirement in CoV. Besides, you may indeed have a stalker build that can clear a map, but it will take you so much time that in the end you will lose xp per time spent compared to say a MM that goes in and clears a map with relative ease.
IMNTBHO, anyone who considers this PL'ing (or an exploit) is just a small minded griefer. There, I said it; sorry if anyone feels that way. Actually, any stalker who does not use this tactic is just showboating by killing all, but that would be perfectly acceptable too as a terrorizing tactic. Keep up the good work, Snob.
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| 04/11/06 13:02 |
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As Bishop mentioned, I created a character around this exact concept. He's a Stone/Energy Brute. The Energy secondary set has a Stealth power built in. I picked Superspeed for my travel power because of the stealth that superspeed grants.
I log in, get a newspaper mission, speed to the end of the map, and complete it. I then click out, get a new mission, speed to the end of it and complete it. This character has essentially done NONE of the game content aside from the initial missions by Kalinda and Mongoose. I've also done the Aura and Cape missions.
I created the character on Feb 14th, but haven't played him non-stop. He's currently level 30 with 6 bubbles. Since hitting 30, his exp rate has felt really slow. I'm currently running on the 3rd highest difficulty setting, but am considering pushing it to the max.
Stealthing missions in the "normal" game sense actually allows you to see MORE game content, when it's a story arc. Because you're not getting as much experience for the missions, you have to run MORE story arcs before you outlevel your contacts. So actually, by stealthing missions, you see MORE content than your friend because you gain levels at a slower rate than you get missions...if that makes any sense at all.
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| 04/11/06 13:05 |
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I don't see anything wrong with stealthing missions. I've done it with charachters before when I couldn't find a team. If you don't want the xp from fighting then that's all you. If your friend dosn't like, oh well. Your not pointing a gun at his head and making him do it with you. I like to clear missions personally, and if I'm on a team that just wants to go straight to the end I have no problems. I only really preffer to stealth in TF/SF's where it takes time I don't really have.
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| 04/11/06 13:21 |
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aye I agree nothing wrong with it since every AT can do it..
granted we have Hide out the box but any other AT can get Stealth at 6 and Invis at 12 same difference really..
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| 04/12/06 12:43 |
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I'm glad you all agree with me. I'll have to show him this topic. I didn't really fancy missing out on content, when I pay every month for the game.
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| 04/12/06 13:23 |
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'stealthing' missions is fine for stalker, i mean hey they can do it so why not. But I'm fussy in that i prefer to clear the map as oppsed to go stright for the boss and out. Persides more kills if you get everyone in the mission and that normally helps for badges, and me being a utter badge junkie prefers this.
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| 06/09/06 18:05 |
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Hm... Issue #7... ghosting is still possible. Only thing is that you have to kill the enemies first.
Most of the paper-missions I do are just beat the boss up.
I sneak my way to the boss, beat the living crap out of him (excuse my language) and silently kill the rest of the map.
And I personally think too that a Stalker is an assassin (me being a roleplayer), so it's alright to ghost the missions if you want to, no one has to comment you on that.
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| 06/16/06 10:23 |
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| QUOTE | | 'stealthing' missions is fine for stalker, i mean hey they can do it so why not. But I'm fussy in that i prefer to clear the map as oppsed to go stright for the boss and out. Persides more kills if you get everyone in the mission and that normally helps for badges, and me being a utter badge junkie prefers this. |
You net more experience/hour by stealthing the mission, assuming you can get from mission to mission quickly. Get to the mission, run to the last room, defeat the boss and minions, get the mission complete bonus, move on to the next one. For the most part, the enemy defeats will come with beating the missions.
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| 06/16/06 11:00 |
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You get more xp for killing the weaklings in teh mission then you do bonus which i why i see little sence in it.
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| 06/16/06 11:29 |
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Well you might get more xp from killing all the enemies in the map, it is incredibly faster to just kill the boss and his pet doggies. Anyway, everyone should do it the way he likes, if people like to ghost, they can, if people like to kill all, let them kill all.
I personally prefer ghosting the mission when I'm alone.
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But will not settle for those Blappers
But when he gets out Thundercharge
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| 06/16/06 12:04 |
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| QUOTE | | You get more xp for killing the weaklings in teh mission then you do bonus which i why i see little sence in it. |
You don't get as much experience per minute, though. That's the issue. Believe me, I've tried it both ways for hours at a time running herostats. Your experience per minute is higher when you stealth missions. I took my experiment character to level 40 this way, so I tried a LOT of different methods.
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| 06/16/06 13:01 |
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I found that killing the groups which had a LT in them and skipping the all minion groups was the best..
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| 06/16/06 14:26 |
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Hm... Dasha... that could be quite true. Killing the small mobs with the lieuts in them is quite fast so you shouldn't lose too much time.
Btw, where can I download that herostats programm thingy???
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But will not settle for those Blappers
But when he gets out Thundercharge
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| 06/16/06 15:25 |
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I'll agree with that. Lost, Tsoo and CoT missions are notorious for this. I was also weighing in with the "risk vs reward" issue. When it came to the whole "self-powerlevel" I wanted to keep risk to a minimum and reward to a maximum. Tsoo Sorcerers, CoT Spectral Baddies and Lost Lieutenants can be a bit pesky for characters without status effect protection.
But, if you can kill the Lieutenant quickly, it makes the rest of the fight a breeze.
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| 06/16/06 16:23 |
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yeah. But if you use Build Up and then Assassin's Strike most lieutenants will go down, even the Lost ones. Nerva Spectral Daemon Lords and those lots are little tougher, they got more health/defence I think.
Yah, I got my Assassin's Blade slotted with 3dmg, 2rechg and 1acc, and combined with BU I one hit kill about all the lieuts of my level and one lvl higher.
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| QUOTE | His name was Hearthbourne
Plays City of Heroes till the break of dawn
He likes his Scrappers
But will not settle for those Blappers
But when he gets out Thundercharge
Those PvP'ers die in the large |
My guides:
Broadsword/Regeneration Scrapper
Claws/Regeneration Scrapper
Energy Melee/Electric Armour Brute
Dual Blades/Willpower Scrapper
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