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singularity

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What is your AT order of importance?

I have this going on the CoH site too. I know you guys haven't had nearly as long as the heroes have had to work with the ATs, but just rank the ATs you think are most integral to the team from 1-5.

Example:
1. Brute
2. Stalker
3. Dominator
4. Mastermind
5. Corrupter
(Example only, not a true list of mine)

(List reasons why here)

04/15/06 16:16

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

1. Stalker
2. Mastermind
3. Brute
4. Corrupter
5. Dominator

Well, I like Stalkers and they are good for the AS/Crit on bosses. They also are great to stealth through missions when time is of the essence.

MMs, well, they bring the extra help and have cannon fodder so when things go wrong, the henchmen drop first.

Brutes, essential, but not as essential as Tanks in CoH. Their defenses aren't as strong, however, they do some really good damage and the only AT with high hit points.

Corrupter, they have some rezzes, buffs, debuffs. Oh, and they can heal too when the need arises.

Dominators are good, mainly for crowd control.

I just ranked these in the order of how I would select a team. Haven't had much interaction with Dom's so, if I do, I may have to adjust my view of them.

04/15/06 18:54

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

1. Brute
2. Master mind
3. Stalker
4. Corruptor
5. Dominator

Brute first because they can tank and deal out the damage and are always needed regardless. Mastr Mind second because bring there own team, henchmen r canon fodder, can heal and rez, and buff/debuff. Stalkers third because they make missions easier and can deal out the real damage. Corruptor fourth because they die alot and can deal damage, heal and rez, and can buff/debuff but arent as needed if MM is on a team. Doms fifth because a mission can be done without them they can deal damage and are only used for crowd control that isnt always needed.

04/16/06 18:45

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

OOO OOO ive been planning this day forEVER! lol

1: Mastermind(cuz i lo-o-o-ve them lol)
2: Stalker(AS and crit)
3: Corruptor(damage, massive damage)
4: Stalker(AS)
5: Dominator(control)

also the fact that most ppl dont play dominators or stalkers kinda effects my judgement...but w/e, their loss lol

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04/16/06 20:26

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

1. Corruptor
2. Dominator
3. Brute
4. Stalker
5. Wet paper bag
6. Moldy banana peel
7. 5 year old playing a blaster
8. Mastermind

I've played with too many bad stalkers and masterminds to even care if they're on my team or not. But theres no substitute for the first 3 on the list.

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04/17/06 05:59

singularity

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

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Do you just hate brutes so much that you put down Stalkers twice?? lol j/k w/ you

04/17/06 08:50

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

1. Stalker
2. Corruptor
3. Dominator
4. Master Mind
5. Brute

I just think there is no substitute for a good stalker. A well built stalker has good evasion and can solo any boss, or upper lvl in the group which can take the big hitter out of the main fight of a group. Plus they have the strongest hit in the game, they pretty much bring the gun to a knife fight.

A good corruptor that is a healer, with warmth. OMG can change a group dynamically. Gives a group uch more confidence in fighting groups that would ordinarily beat them to a pulp. Plus all the buffs and debuffs they do to people, they change the whole dynamics of a group when a GOOD one comes along.

What else outside of crowd control, these guys rock when they have the right power sets. A group with the right chemistry with this AT and the informtion of how a dom works can work nearly any group and pick and choose the right enemy to kill. No substitution for a good dom.

Sheer numbers, plus they can just be recasted. The extra firepower alone is enough to have them around, also the fact that they can be recasted easily is a great way to keep things going in a time of need. Just don't like their door cluttering and unneeded multiple group aggro at times. But as long as you are in a solid group you are good. A seasoned mm has good control and is curtious and knowledgeable out where his pets are.

Brutes nice to have around for aggro, they def take a lot of the pressure off the rest of the group. I like them but can't say they are needed in a group that is built right. But i def don't complain when i get a good one that understands just b/c he has high rage he shouldn't run around aggroing every group he can till it drops.

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04/17/06 09:42

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

Unwelcome to the site Haven2101. Hope you are enjoying the villianry.

04/17/06 10:12

blacktomcat

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

1) Corruptor
2) Brute
3) Mastermind
4) Dominator
5) Stalker

Corruptor's for ranged damage and buffing, brutes for up-close damage, masterminds for mass chaos and extra buffing, dominators for crowd control/damage and stalkers to kill the Boss and then get squished in the subsequent onslaught.

*EDIT* This is not, however, my order of preference, just the order of their importance as I see it. My preferences are:

1) Mastermind
2) Dominator
3) Corruptor
4) Brute
5) Stalker

***THIS POST HAS BEEN EDITED***

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04/17/06 10:23

singularity

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

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and stalkers to kill the Boss and then get squished in the subsequent onslaught.

Not if you are a ninjitsuist in the later levels. I'm not planning a ninjitsuist, but I am planning an SR with Placate, Swift, Hurdle, Quickness, Elude, Combat Jumping, Super Speed and Super Jump, all of which (except SJ and CJ can't stack) help the stalker get out of the fight alive. Anyway, Ninjitsuists have 3 more than placate to help them escape: Caltrops, Smoke Flash and Blinding Powder. Stalkers are well designed for hit and run.

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04/17/06 11:23

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

I know there are methods to using the Stalker effectively. I'm just pickin'. :P

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04/17/06 11:55

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

1. Corrupter
2. Mastermind
3. Brute
4. Dominator
5. Stalker

Reasons
1. buff/debuff and deal heavy damage, helps any team, not too many active so they are always a nice addition.
2. IMO its pets are closer as a group to a Tanker than any brute. Keep agro and dont runn off and trigger other groups as much anymore.
3. Damage and defense, a steroid taking scrapper, can take care of themselves (mostly) are much more powerfull on teams than solo (at least mine is).
4. Holds and damage, also kinda low population, so I always add one if available.
5. Good for scouting mishes or killing a boss, but much of a fight is spent hiding.

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04/17/06 12:36

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

the beauty that is CoV.. you dont need a Tank you dont need a healer/debuffer/buffer you dont need a crowd controller you dont need a DPS..

I would rank them all even..

I always try to find one of each type for my groups..

but a Stalker's point of view I would choose a Dominator above all other classes.. my Brutes PoV I want a healer/debuffer/buffer(Corr-MM).. My Corr I want something to take the hits for me Brute/MM... My MM's PoV lol doesnt really matter.. My Dom I want someone to do Damage so I just pick any other class besides another Dom..

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04/17/06 13:50

singularity

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

I'm not going to rate them, however I will say what I think would be a good attack plan for an AV fight.

I would say that the Brutes and the Doms should go in first, and build up their Rage/Domination while the corrupter keeps them in good health and end and stalker(s) creep up on the AV after the Brute has got his Rage up and slice him with the AS, while the Dominator is still building up and the corrupter is still attacking/defending. The MMs can play it however they like.

But, I have to agree with some other people on here and say that the Stalker does spend most of the fight in the shadows, so it's not nearly as fun to play them as it is for a Brute perhaps. The MM has to be kinda boring too I would think, though he/(she) does have a job keeping his slaves in good spirits and health.

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04/17/06 15:06

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

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The MM has to be kinda boring too I would think, though he/(she) does have a job keeping his slaves in good spirits and health.

I'll say there is something satisfying about walking into a room with a squad of robots and yelling 'Eat hot plasma, meat-puppets! Die for my pleasure! Muahahahaha!'

Ahem...sorry. Too much caffeine lately. :)

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04/17/06 15:42

singularity

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

Turn that caffeine into Rage and become a brute!!! :-p

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04/17/06 16:32

blacktomcat

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

Yeah, but I don't want to get my hands dirty with all that melee. Granted, Fiery Melee would pretty effectively incinerate any of the dirt, but still...

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04/17/06 16:58

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

How about you take energy melee and energy aura? that will repel the dirt away.

04/17/06 17:10

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

To say a stalker spends most of its time in the dark is pretty inaccurate. That being said unless you play with someone who uses it correctly you will think that. I for one am able to stay unhidden after my first AS and kill very effectivly. My EM stalker takes more out than anyone else on the team due the the dps of a stalker. My claw stalker does crazy crowd control with the 2 cone attacks i have. My NB can keep a group juggled in the air fairly easily with b/c of adding in the power Air Sup. I think till you play with a good stalker it is hard to say they spend most of their time in hide and are so easily disposed.

04/17/06 19:26

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

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Do you just hate brutes so much that you put down Stalkers twice?? lol j/k w/ you

yeah, prety much, why?

04/17/06 19:57

singularity

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

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My apologies. You see, I don't actually play the game, but I used to play CoH, and have been listening with all ears to the news ever since I had to drop my account. From what I've heard and the videos I've seen I thought stalkers were pretty much drive by hit-and-run like hell kind of AT. Thanks for the correction.

And I asked Wolfboy because Brutes are pretty much not skippable. Why do you think they are?

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04/17/06 20:05

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

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Stalkers can actually fight with the big boys...lol. We just don't have a lot of hit points (heck, no one but Brutes have hit points in CoV) and that dictates how we play. With the right power combo **shameless plug--claws/ninjitsu** you can do a crap load of damage and not even leave the middle of a mob. Once caltrops drop, the mobs run away from you and you can stab them in the back all day long :) and I haven't even used blinding powder or me smoke to get another placate. However, when I do, we can still stand in the middle of the crowd and no one even sees us.

We are like ever other AT as well, when the crap hits the fan...you best believe we run like heck to the nearest dark place and wait for the aggro to die down.

04/18/06 07:05

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

1. brute/dom (to take aggro/hold)
2. Corr (buffs/heals damage)
4. Stalk (damage)
5. MM (rounds out group with some aggro/heal/buff/damage)

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04/18/06 07:37

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

i jsut love playing with other MM's

1. Corr
2. MM
3. Brute
4. Dom
5. Stalker

marginally edging each other. I havent had much luck playing with stalkers, lots tend to run and gun without regard for team or dragging aggro. Corr are great with MM for buffing the whole "team" lol. Love doms for crowd control, when they dont jump the gun and take all the aggro, dying before henchies or brutes can get attention...haha

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04/18/06 08:20

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

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Its all good, i just hate how everyone who has never had a stalker claims all we do is hit and run. It is a tactic used by stalkers but for the ones of us who enjoy a lil pain and want to see how much dmg out stalker can take and deal out at the same time... it gets old. I surprise a lot of people in pvp with how long my stalker can stay up. I don't need to run from anyone with my stalker. The only time i need to do hit and run is when there is a huge party of people who think i am gonna sit there and try and fight 5-8 people at the same time. Why sit there and take punishment and i can do a hit and run tactic, but thats on a group. In PvE anyone from our sg or who has played with me knows i sit in there with the best and take it and deal it out. But as bishop said you get on a crappy group and when shit goes bad anyone with a brain is gonna run.

04/21/06 10:16

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

aye..

IMO a stalker should only use the Hit and Run tactic in PvE if they can not kill a fresh guy in under 14 seconds. If you cannot kill a mob in 14 seconds you are better off waiting for rehide - AS..

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04/21/06 10:27

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

not gonna quote the last ... too long

But I have seen a lotta hit and run till i did missions with some stalkers in my SG. after alpha i could hear in my head "get out get out" due to what i had beleived was basically a melee ranged blaster about to get debt, but they stayed and did quite well, changed my view of stalkers really quickly. Will eventually try another but so many alts so little time.

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04/21/06 10:34

Haven2101

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RE: What is your AT order of importance?

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I love to keep my em/ea stalker in the mix b/c in 14 sec i will have dropped about 4-5 guys. As 1,(BU+ ET 1, TF 1, BS+EA+Punch 1), placate As 1, and it starts back up again. Droppin that many with any other primary power set would be hard. But just as i said a lot of people have the wrong perception of a stalker and his durability. The problem with a stalker jumpin in and out of battles is you have to hope no enemy saw you leave. B/c i that were the case when you came back in you would be knocked out of your stealth and that would have been a wasted 15-20 seconds of help your team could have used to kill a boss or minions. The stalker of course is no brute and doesn't tank damage which is why you just have to play smart. Kill the first you you strike and stick to one target instead of target jumping, and you should be fine.

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