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Metalhead122
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Just for the sake of discussion, anyone have any ideas on how to throw some Dungeons and Drogons aspects into the game? I play second edition in the Forgotten Realms setting.
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| 05/04/06 06:53 |
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Dork here too!!!!
I think that Guild Wars does have allot of elements of D&D in it. There are allot of similarities with monsters, skills and weapons. This is really the reason I started playing GW, untill now I was strickly a FPS player but GW has changed me. I dont even have any other games installed on my system right now.
I play 2nd edition AD&D as well, have been for the better part of 15 years. I love it!! I have MASSIVE collection I'm only missing about 10 books from the entire second edition.
 
 
 
 
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| 05/04/06 09:45 |
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Nihil Zarathustra
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MMOs, MMGs, D&D, etc. Tend to share alot of core ideas just as D&D tends to share some ideas from other RPGs and elements of fantasy. For example even though GW has Dryders which were first coined in D&D, D&D has a Vorpal Blade which was first coined in a poem called The Jabberwocky. Some of the newer D&Ds also share elements with games like Final Fantasy and works of Fantasy by different authors.
It's kind of an invisible bond shared between fantasy games where companies allow other games to connect with theirs through similar areas and enemies without the whole threat of copyright infingement that is seen in other genres. I think it has something to do with the idea of having one massive fantasy world that is a combination of existing ones rather than seperate individual worlds. It's kind of like when Square put out Kingdom Hearts which took Disney and mixed it with Final Fantasy..
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| 05/04/06 09:54 |
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What I find amusing is the lack of originality that allot of players show in naming their characters. Becuase I am a fan of D&D and the worlds it encompass's I know allot of the characters from the novels and the worlds. I have seen 50 variants of the Drizzt Do'Urden name as well as names like Elminster, Catti Brie etc. C'mon people be original, dont ape names from fantasy novels, its just lame.
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| 05/04/06 10:06 |
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The "this was taken/stolen from or inspired by" game can be played at nauseum I think. D&D has some pride of place in being the first widely commercially exploited Roleplaying System. As such a lot of systems and backgrounds have at least some inspiration taken from that system, but D&D took it's own inspiration from smaller scale games and books. Now we'll mention Tolkien again, who "started it all", though he was by no means the first Fantasy writer any more than D&D was the first RPG system. both were the first to get coined a certain phrase.
D&D's history is interesting to look at in respect to how they incorporated hypes and crazes from other media. During the eighties we had two mostly movie induced crazes; heavily westernized Ninja's! and a renewed interest in an equally western concept of the Arabian nights. Both crazes found themselves in supplements to the Forgotten Realms background. We even had Ninja Goblins in a campaign once for crying out loud!
Any way, the Fantasy genre is a true multi-media, multi-disciplinarian genre with lots and lots of influences going each and every way, back and forth. Trying to map out occurences of concepts and where they stem from would soon represent a tangle of wool. At the end of that tangle you'll find European mideval mythology and the first written Fantasy piece, an Old English epic poem called Beowulf.
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| 05/04/06 10:27 |
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Nihil Zarathustra
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| QUOTE | | Tolkien again, who "started it all", |
Who was in turn inspired by WWII in which he fought and Wagner's opera The Ring of Nibelungen :P.. but yeah eventually everything goes back to those first few epics like Beowulf and Gilgamesh (Who was used in Final Fantasy among other things..although somewhat incorrectly).
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| 05/04/06 10:31 |
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Its fine IMO to be influenced by something, but to directly steal from, for example. How may "strider", "Aragon", "Gandalf" nicks have you seen in game? It just goes to show the lack of originality in todays society, where it is much easier to copy someone or something than to come up with something on your own. Its sickening really...
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| 05/04/06 10:44 |
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I personally highly prefer unoriginal misspelled (because the original was taken) names of famous Fantasy Figures over highly original names based on slightly misspelled profane terms. :-)
But, all the Drizz't's and Aragorns and such get old after a while. It's often not so much a lack of originality though as a desire to 'be like that character', which in itself is a pit-trap. A level 2 E/Mo doesn't really "feel" like Gandalf or Raistlin Majere for that matter now does it? It's a common joke that R.A. Salvatore managed to turn an Evil race of Drow into a race consisting for 85% out of lonely male Rangers wanting to escape the evil heritage of their race while swinging tow scimitars in battle :-)
It's interesting to see what other books / movies people get their names from. Where Yet Another Aragorn variety will result in a small inwards sigh on my part, I find it cool to see a Daenerys Targaryen (Song of Ice and Fire) or Annomander Rake (Malazan tales of the Fallen) or Thomas Illender (Chronicles of THomas COvenant). When you get down to it, those are just as much "stolen" and unoriginal. However, as they're not overused, like the Aragorns, Drizz'ts and Gandalfs so it's okay.
Besides, who am I to judge, my characters are named after my pet rats :-)
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| 05/04/06 10:56 |
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Nihil Zarathustra
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Dont forget all the Rolands from Stephen King's DarkTower series which have been poppoing up lately.. :P
Edit: Oh oh a small side-story. I was in a group with a ranger who used a direct reference to Roland and the DarkTower series (i guess a ranger is the closest thing GW has to a Gunslinger although they are quite different) and i made a remark about Childe Roland and he goes "WHAT??? I'm not a kid!!"...at which point i shook my head.. He used a reference but didnt know what it even meant..
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| 05/04/06 10:59 |
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