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Capt. Crimson

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Archetype heirarcy?

Hey folks just a topic that I would be interested in hearing opinions on.

Who should lead a team?

The Brute? ---- Should they be the guide? the initiator of all combat?

The Corruptor? --- Should they lead? Less aggro, choice of pulls.

The Dominator? --- Should they bind up groups first?

The Mastermind? --- They can attack a group like no other to start a fight, low risk too.

The Stalker? --- Stealth in scope out the scene, AS the big guy.

My feeling is that a group with a stalker should let them do their job.

So if I had to rank a "leader" of a team that had all Archetypes involved this would be my opinion:
1) Stalker
2) Brute
3) Corruptor
4) Dominator
5) MasterMind

I'll interested in everyone elses view maybe it can change mine :)

05/19/06 08:26

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RE: Archetype heirarcy?

aye the leader would be the stalker.. but a stalker should never start the fight.. the stalker should get into position and wait for someone to start the fight..

dominator and MM should start the fight with the brute charging in.. then stalker ASin with Corr's do what they do..

that seems to work the best.. this way teh brute doesnt take the full Alpha the MM's pets are being supported by the Dom and the stalker can AS n not have to run because his agro should be small the Corr can use primary/secondary depending groups situation..

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05/19/06 08:32

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RE: Archetype heirarcy?

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First, Unwelcome to the site Capt. Crimson.

Now, I'm not sure that there is a particular AT that qualifies them to be a leader per say. I believe that title is provided to the one that actually has a good grasp of the game, all ATs on the team, a good understanding of each members powerset (builds) and how they can work well together.

The "leader" of the team should be the one that can coordinate the team to gain the most xp in the least amount of time, with low (or no) death tolls.

However, to go with the theme of the post, I'll say that the Dominator would be the best candidate to lead the team. Why you ask??? Well, let's see: the Brute is busy bashing heads, the Stalker is busy sneaking and peaking and ASing his little heart away. The Corruptor is buffing/debuffing and maybe even healing to take a minute to see the entire picture. The MasterMinds have their own henchmen to control and boss around to worry about bossing anyone else around. Now, the Dominator, they are primarily holding the mobs in place and can see the entire field and can guide and lead the team (especially when they know who is held and who is not). Just my take on it though.

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05/19/06 08:34

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RE: Archetype heirarcy?

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My feeling is that a group with a stalker should let them do their job.

So if I had to rank a "leader" of a team that had all Archetypes involved this would be my opinion:
1) Stalker
2) Brute
3) Corruptor
4) Dominator
5) MasterMind

Well if you mean leader as in "calling the shots" I would say:

1) dom
2)corr
3) MM
4) brute
5) stalker

This is assuming all players know the game reaasonably well. Although stalkers and brutes are great to open combat dominators and corrs are GENERALLY used to looking at the overall picture, MMs to a lesser degree and since the melee types are in close and cannot as easily see what is going on around them.

if you mean to start the attack for me it would be:
if we are rushing in:

1)brute
2)MM
3)dom
4)stalker
5)corr
Brute or pets get initial aggro so everyone "lower" on list can use their attacks without getting group aggro.

If we are 'sniping'

1)corr
2)dom
3)MM
4) brute
5 Stalker

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05/19/06 09:15

KombatJesus

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RE: Archetype heirarcy?

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I think it happens in many teams that either the Dom, Brute or MM initiates the fight. But strategically speaking it should go like this
1)MM
2)Stalker
3)Brute
4)Dominator
5)Corrupter or Corrupter Dominator

05/19/06 12:00

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RE: Archetype heirarcy?

well heres my strategic if we was gna go into battle

1) Corr [ with heal on auto]

2)brutes

3) mm's pets [ take sum of the aggro of the brute]

4)dom [holding everything in sight

5) stalker [taking combat as the aggro has been takin]

05/19/06 14:13

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RE: Archetype heirarcy?

I seem to recall that I started something like this in another thread. Not that you can't post to this one, but... Well, actually, I guess it's not all the way the same. Mine doesn't ask which should be team leader. Ok so here's mine in planning for assault.

1) Dominator
2) Brute
3) Mastermind
4) Stalker
5) Corrupter

Not really based on much other than my plan of attack. Send the doms and brutes in early so they can build up their dom/rage bars, then send the mastermind in to continue the downhill spiral of your foe(s)'s hp, then the stalkers and corrupters to deliver the finishing blows. Not based on much other than what I've seen and heard as I don't play the game meself.

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05/19/06 20:24

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RE: Archetype heirarcy?

i dea the stalker should go and scout, but not AS the main guy. many times i've been in a group, a stalker goes and finish the mission and then leaves the map and then another leaves and then soon everyone else leaves. its annoying because we'd only kill like maybe 10 mobs. this has happened at least 4 times, so it isnt happening all the time. but as far as leaders go:

i say a brute strikes first. a stalker AS the strongest mob in the group. and the rest attack. but buffs should be handed out while the stalker is scouting and while the MM is summoning and equipting pets at the start

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05/21/06 20:44

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RE: Archetype heirarcy?

Hmmm. This looks a little bit more like who should initialize the attack rather than be the leader of the group. The other day I was playing with my stalker and I was the lowest lvl on the team and I didn't have the star but I was in all sense the leader. I was orchastrating plans and calling the shots. The leader as mentioned earlier should not be based on any AT but rather the player with the strongest understanding of the game. As for starting an attack I think it is best to send in the henchmen with the brute. Once chaos has been established the stalker should AS the toughest guy in the mob and the Cor. and Dom. should stick to the back doing their parts.

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05/22/06 12:05

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RE: Archetype heirarcy?

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The leader as mentioned earlier should not be based on any AT but rather the player with the strongest understanding of the game. As for starting an attack I think it is best to send in the henchmen with the brute. Once chaos has been established the stalker should AS the toughest guy in the mob and the Cor. and Dom. should stick to the back doing their parts.

My sentiments exactly. As for stratedgy during the fight Doms should take the lead as they usually have a view of the field and MMs are too busy managing their own team. If things start to look bad the first person out should be the MM and squichies to resummon and get back health. The rest should stay for as long as possible then pull back around a corner where the rest of the team is waiting refreshed, restored, and usually, with a trap or two.

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05/22/06 13:25

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RE: Archetype heirarcy?

According to Sunshine's law of... Murphy's Law, "He who can take the most crap, should."

my reasons for this is that im simply old fashioned. but this is not "wait til u see the corruptor's blast", this is "strike now!" and these guys all hit at almost the same time.

Brutes first- the enemies see a large villain and a light goes on inside their head. the draw their weapons.

MM's pets- the enemy has weapons drawn when suddeny a group of zombies amboshes them! they shift their attention.

Corr- major debuff/damage being dealt to the group as all this is goin down

dominator- "hey bob, i see a large dude in spandex beating me up but i cant seem to move my arms." "same here dude."

stalker- ive played one of these to about 13. they are not defensible! so, they start their AS the second the brute has them sayin, "is that a cow with superpowers?"

this is order of attack, not leadership. i think that points been hit enough.

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05/22/06 16:36

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RE: Archetype heirarcy?

The best thing about Masterminds is that the Henchmen are essentially expendable and renewable assets. If they die....the only real impact is reduced offense for the team but nobody gets debt. Therefore here is my order of attack if there is such a thing? Honestly I endorse a simultaneous attack, everybody hits at once.

1) MM
2) Brute
3) Corruptor
4) Stalker
5) Dominator - has the star

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05/22/06 20:50

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RE: Archetype heirarcy?

I say you have it right except for the stalker should never start the fight.
A brute should always draw the aggro then let the mastermind go in.
I do not like to play my brutes with MM's because they screw up my rage build up.

05/22/06 22:23