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Unrealbr

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Why no one likes Assassins?

I am seeing much of a rejection/phobia against Assassins in the campaign just because 70% of it dies fast and dont know how to make combos.

Wich are the other reasons for people to dont like "US"???

06/02/06 20:22

Teh Burrito

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

I have an Assassin and I'm at Gyala Hatchery. I can't get into a group because I am a Assassin. I hate that!! :(

06/02/06 20:24

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

it is baecause they r similar to warrior's but have lower attack and defense so ppl play it like a warrior and get owned, what is really needed is some good players to play assassin and show off thier good builds so every1 else can either nick em or make their own version of em and therefor make it a better cahr. It's basically cuz, imo, it's a more complex char to play than most ppl think and so therfor leave a bad impression.

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06/02/06 20:25

Teh Burrito

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

I have typed in /deaths and i have only died 6 times the entire time I've played. I am still stuck in Gyala Hatchery.

06/02/06 20:28

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

Agreed, its because when factions came out everybody wanted to play the new characters and as assassins were seen to be something akin to warriors alot of people chose Assassin with probably the same reasoning they chose warrior- more direct, probably less complicated to use, but it is obvious that the assassins strengths lay way out elsewhere than most people originally thought thus leading to a large proportion of badly played assassins messing it up for those of you trying to develop the class into its full potential. As slye_boy mentioned once we start to see some proper builds start to appear and those great assassins get their chance to play then it will become a valued class as any other, Ive played with some great ones, takes alot of time and experience to develop a good build.

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06/02/06 20:32

Im Not A Lemon

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

i have an assassin and its my only character to complete the game,and only one past gyala hatchery, mostly with human groups not henchs, ive never had any trouble getting a group...

06/02/06 20:47

mrguildboi

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

no one likes assassins because they think they are tanks, run in and die. also the max armor is 70. they'll take much damage more damage than they can heal

06/02/06 20:53

Teh Burrito

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

Thats why we teleport with the shadow step and others.

06/02/06 20:55

Krypper

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

Aside from the stated reason, people are more comfortable with the roles we've played for over a year now. People know the limits and expectations for a monk, warrior, mesmer, ranger, necromancer, or elementalist. The Assassins and Ritualists are somewhat of an unknown quantity still.

I also dont have a very high opinion of Assassins myself. I played one and sucked at it, then went into AvA and sent many of them into the ground with little effort on my ranger's part. I've also lost too many missions to having three Assassins in a group and having none of them know how to play their character, and the Assassin henchie has the worst AI of them all (even worse than the healers!). He actually runs away from you to bring new aggro to you. That cost me the Nahpui Quarter mission. They do seem to be more of a PvP than a PvE character type though, with a more single-minded purpose (kinda like mesmers) than a "slaughter the 20 Afflicted" mentality.

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06/02/06 21:00

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

Assassins being melee attackers + there low armor is basically the same as haveing a monk with no healing spells try to fight someone.

06/02/06 21:29

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

First welcome to the sight Unrealbr

Second I have a Assassin and he has beat the game all in groups of humans as many people have said due to the stupidity of many careless assassins Our class is now looked on as usless cannon fodder Until people start getting some builds out there we will still have this problem (If anyone needs a build then PM me) So I hope we will start to see some guides for the assassin.

06/02/06 21:33

madman24749

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

So in the end the reasons are
1 They try to tank and die
2 Not many people know how to make good builds for em and
3 There are too freakin many of them

06/02/06 21:34

jack_o_slack

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

Artemis Entreri.

enough said....

The "perfect" assasin.

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06/02/06 22:05

Critis Coldfire

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

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no one likes assassins because they think they are tanks, run in and die. also the max armor is 70. they'll take much damage more damage than they can heal

You can have secondary as warrior and spam watch yourself when nessacary.. then you have 90 armor and can still have energy free to use attacks or other skills.The main problem is alot of the assassins that have been stereo typed because they try to load up on nothing but attack skills and forget to bring at least one skill to either self heal, or some type of defensive skill. There are also alot of people playing factions that have never played guild wars before and are still trying to familarize themselves with the game mechanics. Not sure what you mean by take more damage than they can heal as some of the other classes have 60 armor and do just fine. Lately when I use my assassin I seem to be the only one to recognize when is a good time to retreat (only one or two people left allive) so at least one person can come back to rez and people get mad at me and say they are insulted that an assassin doesn't have a death penalty and they do. Assassins are fun to play but they are not as easy to play as some people might think as most people don't take into consideration that assassins have 10 less armor lvl than most warrors and they also aren't usually holding shields to block 25% of the time as warriors do when using sword or axe.

06/02/06 22:18

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

me, even as my pvp tank back in the FPE i just sent so many assasins six feet under so fast i used to get angry when i lost to one when i got factions. REMEMBER there are good assasin builds and good assasins they just havent been discovered yet. i have already seen an assasin be an awesome puller because of shadow step.

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06/02/06 22:50

johandh

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

i think the reason there r so many of them is becaus with the release of 2 new character types people wanted to play one or the other. and when we preveiwed them everyone seemed to think that RT were going to go the way of the mesmer and be more for pvp. so everyone started playing assassin thinking they were going to be the next big thing. well when factions was released assassins were made in abundance. it wasnt long b4 it was over crowded and people began to realize that they werent what they thought they were. alot of people i know just deleted their assassins. as for me i just made a RT.

and you are all right in what you have said as to why nobody likes them. but most importantly is that there were so many people playing them and in the end most of them had no ideah what they were doing.

06/02/06 22:54

PlayerKaye

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

From a logical perspective, there are many reasons people disregard assassins, many which have already been stated:

1) They run in...and die. This is partly from players new to game mechanics and partly from players new to the class. It will be fixed, with time. Except, of course, for noobs, which are spread across every class (except mesmers ^^) and which the world has been trying and failing to exterminate for years.

2) People do not like change. People already know what the other classes (excluding ritualist) do and have already determined what roles need to be filled in a party for optimal results. They have trouble fitting assassins into their preconcieved 'party build'

3) They fill an auxilery role. SOME assassins actually know what they're doing and are able to fulfill their namesake. They are obviously not tanks-Rather, they are caster-owners. They are the utter bane of Elementelists, Mesmers, and Necromancers if played right. Like the mesmer, they fulfill a damage-support role. Also like the Mesmer, it is unlikely you will find many PvE parties LOOKING for assassins

"They don't do anything!"
Yes they do. They don't tank like a warrior, heal like a monk, or dish out the pwnage like an elementalist. Nevertheless, warriors, monks, and elementalists can all fall to an assassin with the appropriate build. They are specialists, like the Mesmers.

Shadow-step is an ability that most assassins underestimate. Mobility can be an amaxing advantage in PvP and even in PvE. You can get past the line of warriors rushing you to hit the enemies' damageing casters before they can even cast a single spell, and if they focus on you, you can teleport right back. I saw a PvP battle where a single assassin shadowstepped around, literally assassinating casters as fast as they could be rez'd. The warriors didn't know what to do, and the casters didn't seem to know what was killing them. Assassins have a definate use, it just needs to be discovered.

Assassins also have the fastest attack speed of any class in the game, combined with an occasional double strike. If you make an A/W and spam "Watch Yourself!" and assume a stance that increases your attack speed, while you have a necromancer spamming order of pain and order of th e vampire, you will deal more damage than an elementalist. Guarenteed. They have incredible potential. It just seems that the people PLAYING them know as little about how to play them as party leaders know about what they can do.

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06/02/06 23:22

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

Reasons why no one likes Assassins:

1. Genereal hygiene. Basically you smell funny and look greasy. Solution is to shower more often and use deodorant.

2. Posture. You walk funny and it creeps people out. Solution is to straighten up and walk normal, no more hunchback running.

3. Dance skills. You have none. The Robot is not a real dance. Solution is to shell out some gold for dance lessons.

4. Scare tactics. This one is a big one. Jumping out of nowhere and scaring the jeebers out of people does not win friends. Solution is to just stop doing it.

Work on these four primary areas and you will find your social status much improved.

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06/02/06 23:38

Unrealbr

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

Yesterday i was playing a mission with 3 warriors, 2 healers, a nuker and a MM.
I think i might have had developed a combo good enough to kill faster then a Warrior, i'll post it here later

06/03/06 04:24

Deadly Thorn

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

It's mainly because most assasins dont understand their proffesion.
An assasin is a hit and run character, kill one enemy get back and heal yourself.
But to bad almost everyone uses assassin as a tank, that doesnt work because of the low defence etc.
That's why people have a phobia for assassins

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06/03/06 04:32

Julia Heartilly

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

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3 There are too freakin many of them

Not more than any other profession, it just seems that way because as they're new everyone is playing their Assassin all the time.
It'll change, it just needs time.

06/03/06 04:42

naruto uzumaki

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

Heres one thing i found about assasins. people tell them orders they dont listen. they think there all that. and when tank is supposed to go in first they go and use deaths charge and die instantly. they aggroe way to much.

06/03/06 05:02

Vendura

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

Yeah, once I got accused of rushing just because I was the furthest forward after the whole team died, and probably because I was a 'sin and most 'sins do that... The skill Unsuspected Strike is why most 'sins try to jump in first, I don't think they are all trying to tank, I think they all just want to get in first to make the most use of Unsuspecting Strike as possible. Also, I see a very good use for Assassins Promise, shadowstep to the back line of casters, use high damage, long recharge skills, 'sins promise when they are about to die and then carry on to the next caster, this is probably what that 'sin was doing in that pvp PlayerKaye said about.

Another build which a friend of mine has come up with includes thunderclap, which will be able to keep someone knocked down all day long. I'll let people think about that themselfs ;)

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06/03/06 05:06

Ravenkaisos

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

When I first played factions my first character was an Assassin and i found it ok till i got to the Arborstone mission where it was pretty much impossible for me to get into a party. After 3 days of trying to get into a party and failing i decided just to delete the character and start a new one, was a bit of a waste since i had gotten him to lvl 20 and played solidly on him for the past few days.

I did sort of realise my mistake of making an Assassin so early since eveeryone wanted to try it therefore making it hard to get into parties since they already have at least 2 Asassins. Like others have said it should change over time, people will try different professions and builds and maybe the numbers of Assassin's will dwindle.

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06/03/06 05:26

Yidd

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I have said it before and i will say it again: Those asssassains you are talking about give us good assassains a bad name!!
I have developed a combo, or i thought i had(it was used by many before i used it), which could kill faster than any warrior, it could even kill warriors faster than other warriors!
AoD to target+golden phoenix strike+horns of the ox+falling spider+twisting fangs was the combo. but ofcourse, it has been nerfed to a minor degree because of the, now, high cost of golden phoenix strike.

I'm gonna have to admit, thou, that i have been a noob assassain too. that was before i found out about the skill Return. hehe.. using shadow's refuge wont help you if you got the focus fire of 4 enemy elementalists, thou using Return will save your behind more than once.

06/03/06 05:30

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I also tried Assasin for a very short period when Factions came out. I didn't like it at all, Ritualist was mroe for me! :D
Well anyways, I see many people here saying that assasins think they're tanks and rush before warriors. I do find this happening very often.But, not all times this is the Assasin's fault. When I played as an assasin, I actually got into teams that expected me to play as a tank. Once I tried explaining them that I can't tank the answer was something like this: you n00b stfu cye u suck.
So not each and every times it's the assasin whose to blame. Some people do think that assasins can tank just because they're a melee character.

06/03/06 05:33

Vendura

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

When I'm playing on my monk, I normaly have seed ready for the 'sins that think they can tank, if you can't perswade them not to tank, make them tanks :D (ofcorse as soon as it runs out they are kind of screwed, but hopefully the main threats are taken out by then...)

06/03/06 05:42

Nikhera

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

A few days ago I was completing the "Battle in the Sewers" quest, I think?

Anyways, we had about three assassins among other classes. I was on my monk, and I trust myself to be a competent healer enough even for a flighty assassin, so I thought the group setup was okay. The one warrior we had suddenly started moaning and whining, because to him it seemed "there were too many assassins in the group." Three? so what. Back in the day, three of one class in Fissure newer seemed to bother me. Battle in the Sewers is a freakishly easy quest. It's okay, even if the assassins have a warrior mentality.

What does the warrior do? Like a pouty child, he leaves. I almost wanted to rip my hair out. He left only after we zoned, and I got so pissed someone would be fickle enough to leave a good group because of an abundance of assassins. Nevertheless, we finished the quest with no deaths, without the jerk's help.

HAH!

The moral of the story is, I like sticking up for assassins, because I know that they're played well. ^^ I like assassins, it's a fun class to play. I played one during FPE, and I died often (I realized running around in 70 armour really doesn't help, but oh well XD Haha) but that does not mean good assassins don't exist. More power to you. <3

06/03/06 08:37

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

Well, I am completely new to GW, to this forum too, btw, and I started as an A/R with PvE, I am level 13 now. I have to agree, at first I had the rock solid -run into the pain- mentality. I died A LOT. RLY.
But after a while, I think when I learned a lot of skills from the headmaster, I started playing differently. I took a group of a Healer and a Warrior Henchie with me, sometimes a Ritualist too, and while the Warrior was busy with the fighting classes of the enemy, I struck the casters and the healers down one by one. So I'll have to agree, many Assassins start with the thoughts that they can absorb just about anything, but after a while, it is noticable that they aren't that strong. Luckily there are a lot of Assassin skills to get more evasion or to shadow step to the backline, and that's where the real power of the Assassin comes in...
Yeah I know, this is pretty long for a first post. :p

06/03/06 13:50

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RE: Why no one likes Assassins?

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An assasin is a hit and run character, kill one enemy get back and heal yourself.

lol like the name implies

please leave me some credibility :) thank you

06/03/06 14:46

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