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rjconroy

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What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

honestly, i have to ask what the deal is with this. it seems we have a hundred 55 builds for virtually every class for one reason or another, or 2-3 man team builds for this ir that and im sorry but i just dont get it.

isnt the primary concept behind playing online game, to play with other people ?

i mean i get that invincimonk/soloing means you get all the drops ... basically greed... but i get that part and have used my monk in the fashion.. and flat out hated it !

i for one would like to see the code edited so that chars get the same amount of drops in an area whether there are 8 or 1 .. meaning, that if you solo you get 1/8 the drops. eliminate the greed ascept, and encourage cooperative play. maybe increase drops the larger the group ? id like nothing more than to see "GLF 1 more for farm run 7/8"

not meaning to start a flame war.. but it sure seems to me that if soloing is why you play a game.. then you should play stand alone games, not online games.. but thats just my 2 cents which isnt worth much

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06/05/06 14:29

Im Not A Lemon

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

they solo because they get more money, to trade things with other players, thats why they do it on an online game

06/05/06 14:31

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

u have a very good point there..if they made it so that u always get the same amout of drops not depending on the group size there would be no solo farmers.

06/05/06 14:43

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

hey Rjconroy, where do you hang out that all these people get you so mad? If you sit in ToA, you will see people farming. How do you think they can afford FoW armor? If you sit in Droks or Elonas, you will see people farming. I love my 55hp monk because it allows me to make alot of cash really quickly so I can get my characters the best weapons and mods and skills whenever I want. Hmm, I need to buy that 1k Cap Sig, no problem, 5 minutes with my 55hp monk and I can buy 5 of them.

I don't think I have ever seen people advertising GLF more for farming run in a mission area.

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06/05/06 14:44

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

and i acknowledged that in my original post. it just seems to me that it defeats the purpose. i feel they should code the areas to drop percentage based on number of players. if you go alone or with 8 the drops would be the same for you personally... or add bonus drops for complete groups

i simply dont agree with the solo everything mentality and feel cooperative play should be encouraged over greed

but again, thats just me

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06/05/06 14:44

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

honestly... i could care less if other people want to solo farm. all of the things you need a group for, it's not a problem getting one....

personaly i'd rather solo or do things with henchies than do things with a PuG.

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06/05/06 14:45

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

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i simply dont agree with the solo everything mentality and feel cooperative play should be encouraged over greed

Who says that everyone who has a 55hp monk solo's everything?! They can only Solo areas with no enchantment removal spells. Also the drop rate should not change because you are facing all of the enemies alone. I have 5 PvE characters. Thats alot of gold needed to buy armor, weapons, skills, runes, dyes, and whatnot. Where does one get the cash without going to ebay?! You Farm for it. Of my playing time, I play 95% missions and quests and 5% farming. If I couldnt make money with my 55hp monk, then I wouldnt be able to do all the things I wanted to with my other 4 characters.

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06/05/06 14:51

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

I'm with you on this one. Soloing is bad for the economy and is totally anti-MMORPG.

Multiplayer guys. Get it? Wanna solo everything, go back to Diablo.

06/05/06 14:52

rjconroy

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

Bobby .. im not mad, its just a question. i know many prefer to solo or hench it... i dont thats all.

But then i also think pricing and the game economics are way out of whack as well. many many people that play this game often, daily even ... never seem to break 100K and simply cant compete with others financially in this game unless they get that holy grail drop.

play however you prefer... thats your right, you spent your money, i just fail to see the appeal of playing alone, thats all. wouldnt it be better if the game encouraged playing with others instead, and rewarded you for doing it with better drops to fuller groups ? rather than the way it is now that you have to solo it cause drops are bad with hench ? and when i say full groups that doesnt include hench, i mean 8 humans ... or at least the majority of an 8 man team should be on those times when its just thin.

as i said, its just me.. but it rankles to sit in an area looking for a group to see solo'ers taking off or 8 man groups with 1 human and hench :)

i prefer to emphasize the people, and foster those relations with other gamers... what can i say, im a social animal :)

06/05/06 14:56

CaptainBobby

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

Well what area's are you referring to? I hate henchmen, I always form groups in mission areas with people as I find the henchmen boring. The only time I take henchmen is when I am doing a small quest that nobody is doing, or going to cap a skill that I want and nobody else wants to cap. Most people that use henchmen for mission groups are people who dont trust us decent players to actually give them a successful party. I dont mind failing a mission as long as a get a laugh or two out of it.

Again it comes down to where you are. If you are in ToA looking for a group to do a local quest, good luck, you're gonna have to hench it.

Also the prices are crazy, but you dont need to buy those insanely priced weapons. Get a collectors item and mod it, or get a cheap green item.

Also, the runes are cheap enough now, make a 55hp monk, and farm for an hour, and see how much money you make. I'm sure you will break that 100k mark really quickly.

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06/05/06 15:02

rjconroy

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

bobby, i have done, and am aware of the things you suggest. i mentioned that in the opening article. i have a monk, and i have 55'd with him.

ill add to the discussion something a guildmate of mine has theorized that it appears some accounts simply get better drops.

weve experimented with this. my 55 and his.. same area, same results, cleared the area ... yet he made 3 times as much as i did. this was not a one time test. weve also comapred it to others in the guild and there seems to be haves, and hav nots on drops. i know this doesnt make sense and probability states that if i farmed long enough it would probably balance out.. but in the time i spent doing it it was hardly worth thw time spent.

either way... it wasnt enjoyable to me and turned the game, into a job and a grind... im a I. T. Security Analyst and work too much as is.. i dont need to spend my gaming time doing it to. thats my relaxation.. and because of that i resign myself to the fact that ill never be reach and will struggle to afford the smallest things in the game... and im ok with that, it isnt what this thread is about.

simply put, why play a multiplayer online game, only to spend the majority of it alone, farming/playing solo ? seem kinda silly at the core to me.. but, thats just me. to those that enjoy it.. this isnt meant to insult you, more to understand the concept for something other than 'you get more drops" i guess

06/05/06 16:11

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

I like this idea not for the anti-solo aspect, but rather for the anti-bot aspect. Take away 55's and you have no more GW Gold Sites. Without the 55'er the sites would have no way to make quick gold to sell to players. Destroy the supply, eventually kill off their demand, ;).

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06/05/06 16:18

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

I kinda agree with you about the soloing being sorta bad. Granted, I do it myself, though I do it more for the skill points than the gold (as others have said it takes about 5 minutes with a 55 monk to get 4-5k gold in the right areas, but it takes longer to gain skill points). A lot of the times, though, its easier to run to a quest on your own (especially, say, The Forgotten Ones and Forgotten Wisdom quests in the Desert) than it is to actually take other people, or even henchies. Still, for missions and the harder areas, I almost always bring human groups with at most 2 henchmen (the healers). The only exceptions have been while I was skill capping (lots easier to hunt down bosses that you need when you don't have stupid people going through and aggroing more mobs) and when I absolutely could not find a group even after more than an hour of looking. The last happened only once with my Assassin and I failed the mission three times before giving up and going to a different character.

However, I also dislike the idea of giving full groups more drops, or giving groups more drops if they have more people in them. First off, this doesn't really make much sense. Why should a Dwarf carry around twice as much gold just because there are 8 humans wandering around instead of 4? Also, it seems that some people do get fewer rare drops than others, so some people would just get richer while others didn't get richer. I myself have gotten 3 gold item drops since Factions came out; 1 bow, 1 dagger, and 1 rune. I've seen about 20 gold drops during that time, and I spend about 2/3 of my time with henches, so logically there WERE 60 gold drops, 40 of which the henches took. And I got 3... Basically, what I'm saying is that in all likelyhood, the extra drops would go to the people who are rich anyway, while people like me wouldn't get many, if any, of them.

06/05/06 16:35

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

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more to understand the concept for something other than 'you get more drops" i guess

Ok heres another reason maybe a bit more unique but its still another reason - you all know that I'm the Site Manager and alot of you will know that I'm also Guild Leader of AMP and at present to make ends meet (I work freelance and times are hard) I work selling sushi at lunchtimes to a few hundred random people to all of whom I have to smile and be nice.

When I login to the game I know I'm going to get several whispers and for up to an hour or even more I'm not going to be able to actually relax and play, some of those whispers may be from staffers or guildies or just random whispers from people onsite who need some info or want to join the guild and again I have to be civil and nice. Then of course they dont stop theres always several others throughout my online available time.

Being civil and nice isnt hard its my nature and I enjoy being this way but it can get a bit tiring when all you want to do is chill for a few hours, so what do I do when all that being civil and nice gets too hard to keep up? I go off farming whether its with my MM or my Monk and if I've really had enough of people for the day I go on Do Not Disturb or even pretend to be offline - so why play an online multiplayer game? Because I am a sociable person I love people - after a short while of farming and being by myself all I have to do is change my status and bam back with my guildies and back with the real people again - I love that contrast.

Another added bonus of course is that I get to do stupid things that only people who farm can do - have 10 full sets of armor for my Necro (have bits of the 15k kurzicks and 15k endgame so far too) and have at least two armor parts with Sup Vigor runes. But none of these are actually necessary to be able to fully enjoy the game and be a good player.

So there ya go another reason - there may be other people who just need that quiet time to themselves but enjoy the immediacy of being with people again with a quick simple step.

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06/05/06 16:38

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

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Don't ferget about other basic solo builds like the cookie cutter axe warrior build for farming trolls outside of Droks. Plus, hopefully Anet got most of the bots, or at least some of them, though I don't think they could've because I read somewhere that in certain countries Anet couldn't ban their accounts for botting :(

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06/05/06 16:52

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

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Builds are created to help players come up with effective ways to accomplish challenging aspects of the game.

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isnt the primary concept behind playing online game, to play with other people ?

There is no primary concept behind any game other than playing it and enjoying it the way you want to. Some like to play solo only; some like to play with groups only. And some people enjoy both types of gameplay (me for example).

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i mean i get that invincimonk/soloing means you get all the drops ... basically greed... but i get that part and have used my monk in the fashion.. and flat out hated it !

If you hate it, then don't do it. Problem solved. The truth is that some people love soloing and almost everyone in the game loves gold. Soloing is the most effective/easy way to make a quick bit of gold in most cases.

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i for one would like to see the code edited so that chars get the same amount of drops in an area whether there are 8 or 1 .. meaning, that if you solo you get 1/8 the drops. eliminate the greed ascept, and encourage cooperative play. maybe increase drops the larger the group ? id like nothing more than to see "GLF 1 more for farm run 7/8"

I can't believe you are actually suggesting that the code of the game be adjusted to satisfy an opinion of yours. The drop system in this game is perfect as is and should not be changed. As it is, you get approximately one drop per kill (except bosses sometimes). So it only makes sense to try to lower the number of people in a group to increase drops per person. This leads to people coming up with useful builds for soloing/duoing/trioing really hard areas. This creates a challenging, fun, and lucrative gaming experience all at once. You mentioned greed again, like it is a bad thing. Having more money in the game is not a bad thing. It's not like you are talking about theft or something like that, but saying that it is greedy to want to have more in game wealth is just asinine.

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not meaning to start a flame war.. but it sure seems to me that if soloing is why you play a game.. then you should play stand alone games, not online games.. but thats just my 2 cents which isnt worth much

How do you feel that it is right to tell people how they should enjoy a game. People play the game to play it their way, not to play it your way. I don't understand why you would want to try to influence people to do things your way. Different people have different opinions, you know? Let 'em play.

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06/05/06 17:05

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

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yea true 55 is funny but farming is not the mroe profitable way to make money :S and yes money is really important, farmer farm because they need money to buy item (to follow the economy) and don't say farmer are responsible of high price economy... 15k armor cost 15k each piece, and FoW will always be the 1 million armor

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06/05/06 17:10

rjconroy

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RE: What is the fascination with 55ing/Soloing everything ?

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Builds are created to help players come up with effective ways to accomplish challenging aspects of the game.

fair enough, but i for one prefer creativy to cookie cutter builds, thinkl for yourself,. dont just read someone elses idea

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understood, i beleive i said that when i said play how you wish its your money. its my opinion, that it seems to not make sense to play a multi-player game, alone

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i dont.. it isnt a problem, just a comment/opinion. and for the record, not EVERYONE in the games loves gold.. i hate anything that makes my gaming time feel like real life personally. i understand that its a necessary evel, i simplt think it gets out of hand when thing in game cost 10 times more than ive ever seen for one item

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its no different for me to suggest this than it is ofr people to suggest nerfs, or for you to suggest im wrong. its called opinion, doesnt make either right or wrong. in your opinion its perfect and should be left unchanged, i disagree. in fact i think you may have helped make my point... if peoples motivation for coming up with new creeative builds is to be able to farm solo.. once again i have to ask, why play a multiplayer game ? of course its greedy... as we are all greedy to a certain degree in these games. that doesnt necessarily make it an evil. dont suggest you arent greedy by farming these things, why do you farm them ? to have the prestige items... IE greed. the accumulation of wealth or items.

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i suggest you take your own advice, since you just called me assinine for disagreeing with you. go get a dictionary, look up hypocrit... read, understand, re-read :)

this is not a condemnation people, its a quest to better understand.

P.S. EvilGeek ... point taken, that is a reason i can understand and why i wish you could tie characters to guilds, not entire accounts. thank you for the constructive input

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06/05/06 17:39

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