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My Lil Sin

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B/P rangers

Alright after doing ToPk i saw hopw devastating B/P rangers could be so i decided to start a ranger all i kno i need it a lvl 20 pet and Barrage, as well as R/Mo. I want to kno a few things though. What would be a good pet, Where do i get barrage, What to put as attribute points, and finally what skills to have.

06/05/06 21:44

Kanna

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RE: B/P rangers

Actually, the lower your pet level the better. The idea of a B/P, is for the pets to be food for the Minion Master. And besides the four skills you need, it is good to pack the 3 intrupts, and then FW. Go in with 16 Marks and 15 Exper.

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After actually reading the thread.. here..

You can get Barrage from the Iron Mines mission or the Abaddons Mouth misson. It is in Factions, but I don't know where. As for the bet, it doens't matter really, any will work, as long as it can attack. And as for points.. I told you. And for Skills.. I told you aswell. xD

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06/05/06 21:46

hambones

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RE: B/P rangers

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Any pet is fine. My skill bar is usually this:

Barrage
Troll unguent
Distracting shot (best interrupt IMO)
Spirit (favorable winds or winnowing)
Tiger's fury (can be replaced with something else)
Charm animal
Comfort animal
Rebirth

4 beast mastery (3+1)
3 expertise (from a sup rune, not needed though)
12 wilderness
16 marksmanship (12+mask+sup rune)

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06/05/06 21:52

My Lil Sin

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RE: B/P rangers

alright so i get everything like the abilityys Marks 16 12+1(mask)+3 Sup rune, Expertise 12+3 sup rune then the 3 disrupt skills and some other stuff but where do i get barrage i dont want to have to go all the way to iron mines from factions and i cant find that place on the factions map on this site. EDIT: Abaddons map is in the RoF..... Anyone willing to run me to iron mines from lions arch then run me to get the skill?? lol

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06/05/06 22:07

hambones

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RE: B/P rangers

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Anyone willing to run me to iron mines from lions arch then run me to get the skill?? lol

It's not that hard of a cap. Just get a group that's doing the mission, once you get infused and kill markis, cap it.

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06/06/06 00:27

Vlad Teh Impaler

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RE: B/P rangers

if you are canthan you can cap it at the first luxon mission (after arborstone) from aurora.

I use a non-traditional, but still very workable skill bar. It just requires good monks.

Barrage{E}
Tiger's Fury
Distract/Savage Shot
Either a defense (whirling) or the other interupt.
Throw Dirt
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal
Rebirth

Using this build i put 16 marks, then make it so tigers fury lasts 9 seconds (i forget the actual BM required) and then the rest into expertise.

The only fault is no troll, but otherwise spam tigers fury and barrage and you will deal the most damage out of any BP Ranger

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06/06/06 00:40

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RE: B/P rangers

Well, my skill bar usually looks like this:

Barrage {E}
Dual Shot
Savage Shot
Distracting Shot
(utility)
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal
Rez

The utility slot can be used for some self defence skill like Whirling Defence, attack boost (Tiger's Fury), or possibly FW.

However, there is one additional ingredient to the mix which is so far overlooked, that being the tools of the trade. Ideally, you should acquire both 5/1 vampiric (foo)bow and a zealous (foo)bow (vampiric being the more important one) where (foo) stands for 'short' or 'flat', those two bows having the fastest attack rate. If you want to play in a full barrage team where FW is guaranteed, go for the flatbow for the better range. If you will mostly be playing in mixed teams as the only barrager, take the shortbow for the better accuracy. The nifty thing about the vampiric bow is that besides adding damage to the barrage it also works as a moderate self-heal.

06/06/06 01:07

Soqed Hozi

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RE: B/P rangers

I use a very un-orthadox build in the tombs.

Barrage
feral lunge (take out wurms)
vipers nest (or savage shot, once even used ww here with a change to attributes from bm to ws)
whirling defernce
Favourable winds
rebirth
comfort animal
charm animal

I use atm a basic longbow of marksmanship 15^50 (i like the range of the longbow, that is why I rarely use savage shot anymore.

My attributes are as folllows.

beast mastery: 13 (12+1)
Expertise: 4 (3+1)
Marksmanship: 16 (12+3+1)
Wilderness survival: 0

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06/06/06 01:13

My Lil Sin

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RE: B/P rangers

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if you are canthan you can cap it at the first luxon mission (after arborstone) from aurora.

you mean Fort Aspen Wood? cause currently with him im only at the islands at seitung harbor.

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06/06/06 09:26

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RE: B/P rangers

I believe you cap it at Borealis Seabed.

Must have skills in Tombs:

Barrage
Comfort & Charm animal
Throw dirt
Distracting shot

My other three:

Healing Spring
Spirit
Whirling / trap

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06/06/06 09:41

UCCat

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RE: B/P rangers

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errrr, that's a decent barrage i guess :S
with an expertise of 4, i cant see how you can maintain constant barrage/damage, but i havent tried it

I would also be unhappy with a B/P ranger in tombs that had a bm of 13. Thats not the concept for the entire team

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Marks 16 12+1(mask)+3 Sup rune, Expertise 12+3 sup rune

I also wouldnt use 2 superior runes

but anywho...
the best i have found for ToPK If you have Orders!

charm
comfort
healing breeze
rebirth
distracting shot
savage shot
barrage
hunters shot, FW or Winnowing, Throw Dirt, whirling defense, apply poison (someone in the group needs poison)

If a group goes off the wall with ss instead of orders, i change to R/E, use conjure (lightning in my case)
sub rez sig, troll ungent in for rebirth and healing breeze

Beast Mastery runs a 4 or so
sup marksmanship on a marksmanship mask
major or sup vigor
minors in expertise, wilderness and BM

Healing to get at least 6 pips up
marksmanship 10 thru 12 ish, expertise 10 minimum, yadda yadda

Best bow for conventional B/P in tombs is vamp recurve class, IMHO, Elwyth's is great, you cant beat a vamps +5 damage with barrage. long or flatbow for pulling (I carry drago's flat in slot 4 for the single reason of interrupting metor shower or wurms at range). I also carry a zealous, for energy gain/maintain after a rebirth if necessary.

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06/06/06 10:09

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RE: B/P rangers

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charm
comfort
healing breeze
rebirth
distracting shot
savage shot
barrage
hunters shot, FW or Winnowing, Throw Dirt, whirling defense, apply poison (someone in the group needs poison)

You can't use poison with Barrage, if you want poison Death Nova + Taste of death...

I would bring

Barrage
Distracting shot
Comforth Animal
Charm Animal
Rebirth
Spirit Needed (FW or Winn)
Throw Dirt
Whirling Defense/Troll Unguent/Healing Breeze/Savage Shot/Tiger's Fury

All you should be using tho is barrage, and interupt meteor shower's, wurms etc

06/06/06 10:19

UCCat

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RE: B/P rangers

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You can't use poison with Barrage, if you want poison Death Nova + Taste of death...

I am aware of that, you can apply poison, specifically for the wurms (barrage is relatively useless against a single target) or apply poison and spread it around liberally then start barraging, or apply poison for a poison and run tactic if you are the lone survivor (or few survivors) of a pull gone bad, being chased by an injured grasp. at least 1 ranger with poison makes things go much smoother and faster.

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06/06/06 10:24

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RE: B/P rangers

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I would bring

Barrage
Distracting shot
Comforth Animal
Charm Animal
Rebirth
Spirit Needed (FW or Winn)
Throw Dirt
Whirling Defense/Troll Unguent/Healing Breeze/Savage Shot/Tiger's Fury

All you should be using tho is barrage, and interupt meteor shower's, wurms etc

For what it's worth, I have always had the most success with the same build as meumesmo.

Barrage
Distracting Shot
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal
Rebirth
Spirit
Throw Dirt/Dust Trap
Troll Unguent

I can't remember my attribs specifically atm, but it is on par with everyone else who has posted here with the exception that my Expertise is higher. And I also carry a Dragos Vamp for pulling/interupt, Elswyth Recurve for normal Barrage, and a Short Bow for everything in between.

06/06/06 10:34

Masterful Gaze

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RE: B/P rangers

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at least 1 ranger with poison makes things go much smoother and faster.

I love poison. It's saved my butt a few times.

I have a question though:

Mr. Owl, just how many pips does poison inflict anyway?

06/06/06 10:42

Fifel

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RE: B/P rangers

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I believe you cap it at Borealis Seabed.

That is correct. The ranger is the first group you have to fight so it would be quick and easy to cap and than leave.

As for my skills i use the following in the tombs:

Barrage
Distracting
Savage Shot
Throw Dirt
Winnowing/Favorable Winds (depending on other rangers in group)/Troll
Charm Animal
Comfort Animal
Rez Signet (or Rebirth depending on my secondary at the time)

06/06/06 10:46

UCCat

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RE: B/P rangers

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Barrage
Distracting Shot
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal
Rebirth
Spirit
Throw Dirt/Dust Trap
Troll Unguent

i have used that one frequently myself, i prefer to stand in a dust trap if i have time to set one... but i do prefer healing breeze... takes some points, but activates quicker, and recharges quicker (admittadly not as effective as troll tho) a slight drawback, it is an enchantment, possible to get it ripped at the wrong time, but still preferable imho

again, the builds can vary easily to taste, but imho, a B/M over a 5 is detrimental to the team, and anything that detracts from using barrage 90% of the time is detrimental... i.e. trappers. And elemental bows without conjure (which seems wasteful of a slot if orders is present), I dont think an elemental bowstring takes advantage of orders. So dont bring a bow with elemental strings. Also, in the case of orders, i personally think taking OoV is a waste (Yes it infuses a little health to the team), they dont stack, and the non elite recharges in time to recast, i take ss as my elite (and MoP too :P)

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06/06/06 11:44

UCCat

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RE: B/P rangers

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Mr. Owl, just how many pips does poison inflict anyway?

06/06/06 11:51

Soqed Hozi

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RE: B/P rangers

In regards to my build with only expertise 4 and with bm 13:

I use a dire pet, and with bm 13 it means it can actually do some dmg before it dies (which is relatively fast because it is dire).
I use ferel lunge, this causes bleeding and is great against wurms or, I suppose, could be used similarly to poison when u are against a weak grasp on ur own.
I have never had energy problems, EVER.
I do not bring an interrupt, this is because i use a longbow, and I know some1 else will be interrupting the exact same skills as i would be.
I dont bring a self heal, I have never needed it. If I am in need of a self heal I am probably already dead.

EDIT: I also like a high bm so that comfort brings my pet back at a higher hp, which is helpful when doing a pet lure.

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06/06/06 12:46

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RE: B/P rangers

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omg, how low hp do u have: 3x75= 225
u have 225 of the amx hp, i think thats a bit to much

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06/06/06 12:50

My Lil Sin

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RE: B/P rangers

Thanx Everyone i think im guna do this for attributes
Marksmanship:12+1(mask)+3 (Sup Rune)16
Expertise:12+1(Minor Rune)13
Rest in Beast Mastery if their is any left.

Skills i think im guna go with
Barrage
Troll Unurgent
Distracting Shot
Charm Animal
Confort Animal
Apply Poison
Rebirth
Whirling Defense

Now for explanation. Barrage for of course being a B/P ranger. Troll Unurgent For self heal in hard times. Distracting Shot to stop certain spels. Charm/Comfort Animal for my pet. Apply poison to get rid of flesh creatures, and if im the only survivor. Rebirth To bring back allies. Whirling Defense, now this is the one im debating on i think whirling defense is awsome and at 13 expertise it should last around 18 seconds, but throw dirt's blind only works for 13 seconds, now both ways they can still hit me but i think the defense would be better because it lasts longer.

Now can anyone tell me if this is good or what i should change.

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06/06/06 17:49

Soqed Hozi

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RE: B/P rangers

If ur bring distracting shot to stop spells I advise you replace it with savage shot. Savage shot does bonus dmg when interrupting spells, unlike distracting that deals less dmg.

06/07/06 00:39

deadjack

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RE: B/P rangers

1: don't forget barage end all preparation so apply poison is not so good

2: I like distract shot. very usefull vs worm coz they can use there rock for 20sec

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06/07/06 00:55

van veen

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RE: B/P rangers

the skillsetup i use for barrage is:
barrage
savage shot
distracting shot
throw dirt
troll unguent
charm animal
comfort animal
rebirth

and it works fine:)

06/08/06 13:21

riptide falchion

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RE: B/P rangers

there are quite a few variations but the base set up for the b/p build can be found on GuildWiki.org go to the search bar and type in Barrage/Pet Build, the first link that comes up will be a long article discussing the whole set up of the b/p team

07/02/06 12:42

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