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eminemguy

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ANet - How about a little more creativity?

Is it only me? I think I'm seeing double!

ANet guy 1:"Let's make a new skill!"
ANet guy 2:"Hmmm I think we already thought about the best skills..."
ANet guy 1:"Let's make a new old skill!"
ANet guy 2:"MY GOD YOU'RE A GENIUS!!! Let's copy the worst Ranger skill in the game and change it's name and picture!"
ANet guy 1:"Wohoo more money got not being creative! I love it here..."

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06/06/06 06:31

Penguin

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

YA we know they copied alot of other crap to like heal area and kami's healing circlie or w/e its called

06/06/06 06:34

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

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YA we know they copied alot of other crap to like heal area and kami's healing circlie or w/e its called

Well to make this thread more intresting, please post any "double" skills you find =)

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06/06/06 06:39

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

I think they have done this 'rename' skill for the follwing reason; factions has an asian style. So it would make sense to give skills an asian-like name. Hoewever, people who dont own prophesies should be able to gain access to common skills. Thats why there is an overlap. This is also noticable in the fact that for faction characters, the 'original' skill is not available. Only prophesies character in cantha find themselves buying the same skill, or seeing the overlap. Other examples of this are (monkskills in this case)
- heal other : jamei's gaze
- heal area : .... healing circle (also an asain name, but cant recall it now)

there is more but i cant look it up atm, since im at work.

EDIT; someone beat me with the 1st reply AND got the name of heal area kami's healing circle :).

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06/06/06 06:42

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

A-net obviously did this on purpose lol,
think about it a lot of people bought factions who hadn't gotten gw prophecies. So.............. they probably wanted factions only characters to have access to certain skills that were in prophecies. there are a lot of duplicates and my guyes is that its done on purpose so plz don't whine. It really doesn't affect your game that much besides a extra skills you won't get because they only added so many skills per prof. The best thing to do is whine about the fact that there aren't ENOUGH skills in factions.

ty, LB

06/06/06 06:48

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

Yeah a-net didnt want to chuck the same skills in factions as they did prophecies... because believe it or not there are alot of people with factions that dont have the first one therefore cant access alot of the old skills.

06/06/06 06:56

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

I think they should have just left the skills being the same and not changed the name. Duplicate skills have created builds far too powerful now.

For example the new "Toucher" rangers who spam Vampiric touch/Bite.

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06/06/06 06:58

Scizzors1215

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

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lol touch rangers are a joke... just bring some running or knockdown skills and they are toast. (or if u really hate em be an e-surger ^^)

06/06/06 07:02

eminemguy

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

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In fact these so called "asian" skills help us...
Point Blank Shot: Energy-10, Activate-0, Recharge-3
Zojun's Shot: Energy-10, Activate-0, Recharge-3

With 10 Expertise the Energy Cost is 6, and with 16 Marksmanship you deal +26 damage.
This means: PBS (6 Energy), Zojun's (6 Energy), arrow from bow.
By the time you shot the normal arrow, PBS is already recharged, letting you deal let's say... 91-136 (before targer foe armor reduces the damage) damage every 3 seconds (13-28 arrow dmg+26 twice, and once 13-28 arrow dmg).

I came to a conclusion (IDK how to spell that) that these "asias" named skills help us.

Thank you ANet, for making us stronger without meaning to!
^_^

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06/06/06 07:03

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

A little bit more orgenized:

91=(13+26)x2+13
136=(28+26)x2+28

Every 9 seconds, if you aren't intterupted, you can deal (Still before foe's armor reduces the damage)...
273-408 Damage.
Yep, I like the sound of THAT!

Unlike most people, I don't have Factions yet (I'm very sad), but once I get it I'll be able to understand much more...
I don't understand the whole Ritualist thing and the Spawning thingy.
Oh well I'll get it in the next 3-4 weeks and then the fun begins MUHAHAHA

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06/06/06 07:09

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

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Is it only me? I think I'm seeing double!

No, no, they are clearly not the same skill. Point blank shot has a comma and the word strikes, while the other has no comma and uses the word strike. Not the same skill. /sarcasm

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06/06/06 07:18

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

Crystal Wave
Foes near you are struck for 10-82 damage, but are cured of any negative conditions. This spell ignores armor and magic resistance.

Teinai's Crystals (Factions)
Spell. Foes adjacent to you are struck for 10-82 damage but are cured of any negative Conditions. This spell ignores armor and magic resistance.

The only different thing about this is that Teinai's Crystals has a casting time of 0.75 sec, and Crystal Wave a casting time of 1 sec

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06/06/06 07:26

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

There's a load of skills just like thos 2 (For example Tigers Fury and Beastial Fury!).

On one side that's good, so people who only have factions still can use the old skills, but with a new name, so old builds wont change that much! On the other hand, when some1 has Factions AND Prophecies, u are able to take the original skill from Prophecies and the duplicate from factions, wich then results in powerfull builds (Toucher rangers For example)

So, there are pro's and con's about the fact that Anet duplicated skills and renamed them, but I think that the main reason why they did this is

a) lack of inspiration
b) DEADLINE!!! Factions HAD to be released in order to be able to release chapters III and IV in time...

How sad it may sound, but they have to release a new chapter every 6 months, they PROMISED it!! And that's gonna be hard to keep...

just my 2 pennies on this

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06/06/06 07:28

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

There are A LOT of skills in factions which are tyria skills jsut different name and picture.

Beastal Fury = Tiger Fury
Savage Pounce = Beastail Pounce
Zojun's Haste = Dodge
Zojun's shot = Point Blank Shot
Sundering Attack = Penetrating Shot

06/06/06 07:35

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

and so on and so on...

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06/06/06 07:38

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

lol, now that there's bestial fury in factions.. every1 can IWAY xD

06/06/06 07:39

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someone of you guys seem to have forgotten that Factions is a stand-alone-game! Factions is not an add-on so it's not entirely new and shiny.
Now since it's a stand-alone it's made on purpose to have the same skills as Prophecies since some people only buy Factions so the skills are balanced. For the same reason you can't find all Prophecies Elite skills from Factions.

06/06/06 07:40

Areth

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

You're forgetting that people without factions don't get leet new spells and elites while faction people get everything..........

06/06/06 07:43

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You're forgetting that people without factions don't get leet new spells and elites while faction people get everything..........

Faction people do NOT get everything. Yes they have about 5 different skills per class than Prophecies people but still, as said before, many of the skills are exact replicas from the Prophecies to balance the differencies between these two campaigns. And people who only have Factions, can NOT get all the elites that Prophecies people have. Old classes only got few new elites in Factions! ><

So, NO! Factions people don NOT get everything.

06/06/06 07:56

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

Just saw in the Necro Skills section...
Lifebane Strike (Factions)
Spell. Target foe takes 12-41 shadow damage. If that foe's health is above 50%, you steal up to 12-41 health.

The same as Shadow Strike!

This means, with 16 Blood Magic, if your foe is ^50,
You deal 100 dmg and steal 100 Health every 10 seconds you steal 50 hp and deal a total of 100 per skill.

Time in seconds, You/Foe is in Health +/-

I tried doing this ^ in this post, but it cuts all the spaces... So I did Print Screen =) I wasted too long to let it go.

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06/06/06 07:57

eminemguy

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

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Is it only me? I think I'm seeing double!

No, no, they are clearly not the same skill. Point blank shot has a comma and the word strikes, while the other has no comma and uses the word strike. Not the same skill. /sarcasm

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"Zojun's Haste = Dodge"
Not the same.
Dodge doesn't have the coma

XD

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06/06/06 08:10

Balthamos

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

Prehaps an inhibitor that prevented you from using the duplicate skills in the same skill bar. Would be fair imo.

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06/06/06 08:33

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

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Prehaps an inhibitor that prevented you from using the duplicate skills in the same skill bar. Would be fair imo.

Sounds good

06/06/06 08:48

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

They duped skills to allow 'strategic' uh.. stuff. Strategy, though, that's it.

Think about it. Two Tigers Fury on your skillbar. As long as you cared about nothing but attacking, you can constantly be in a 33% faster attack speed stance with 0 beast mastery. Just remember that even your res sig is disabled during this time.

Some of the duped skills are not so obviously used. As I've never used Point Blank Shot, I don't see how 2 would be useful either. Now two Hunters shot....I could do that. Or two Dual Shots. Mmmmmm.

06/06/06 09:14

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

CLICK HERE RIGHT NOW!

Yay, a list of the duplicated skills.... Still, I would like to know if i missed any :P

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06/06/06 09:56

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

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Prehaps an inhibitor that prevented you from using the duplicate skills in the same skill bar. Would be fair imo.

Didn't you read the posts with my explenation why these "double" skills help us?
I won't like it if they don't let us use them together.
They might as well just update the game, and delete one.
They can put a big post explaining that since using double skills makes us too strong they just had to cut one off.
Then there will only be 1 with 1 name, and no need for an "inhibitor that prevented you from using the duplicate skills in the same skill bar". Anyway thats like making them "Elite" or something... So they can let us use double skills if we don't use an Elite perhaps.
I think they should just leave it as is and let us be stronger, even thou we are already strong we might need to be stronger for the next updates.

EDIT: Anyway if they make that "Inhabitor" it will be too much work for nothing...

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06/07/06 03:56

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RE: ANet - How about a little more creativity?

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Imho they should just leave it as is and let us be stronger, we need that.

why? the game is simple enough as is

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