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My first post, so let me start by saying hi to everyone!
My question is this:
I built a wizard, and to be a bit different (for me), I decided to place a strong emhasis on a bow ability. This let me use the Elf +2 to Dex to raise that stat to 18 for only 2pts each instead of 3. Put STR to 10 so no penalties, CON at 12 for a little extra HP, and INT at 16, which used all the ramining points. (other stats at 8).
But when I was grouping yesterday, the party leader told me that he didn't care in our current situation, but gave me an FYI that in most parties, they'll get mad at me for shooting my bow in combat unless it had extended range or something. (An aggro thing?)
Is this so? If it is, then this character is fatally flawed in that my largest effort went into an ability that I can't use in the game! But before I wipe her out and start again (I put in some decent time so far!) I wanted to get some more input from you guys and see what was up!
Thanks in advance!
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| 06/17/06 15:22 |
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Ozone_Friendly
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| QUOTE | My first post, so let me start by saying hi to everyone!
My question is this:
I built a wizard, and to be a bit different (for me), I decided to place a strong emhasis on a bow ability. This let me use the Elf +2 to Dex to raise that stat to 18 for only 2pts each instead of 3. Put STR to 10 so no penalties, CON at 12 for a little extra HP, and INT at 16, which used all the ramining points. (other stats at 8).
But when I was grouping yesterday, the party leader told me that he didn't care in our current situation, but gave me an FYI that in most parties, they'll get mad at me for shooting my bow in combat unless it had extended range or something. (An aggro thing?)
Is this so? If it is, then this character is fatally flawed in that my largest effort went into an ability that I can't use in the game! But before I wipe her out and start again (I put in some decent time so far!) I wanted to get some more input from you guys and see what was up!
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First off welcome to the site!
Honestly my guess would be that his perceived beef is that you are shooting the bow instead of casting a spell... However with a wizard you dont have the spell points of a sorcerer, especially at lower levels, to always cast. I have an elven sorcerer that uses a bow a fair amount on smaller encounters, but as soon as some real action starts I'll spam spells left and right, I haven't had anyone complain about me using my bow in lesser encounters, and I wouldn't expect you to get much more flack than I do. Honestly, especially if they put the arcane archer prestige class in, and you have picked up some feats like point blank shot etc. I'm guessing you will be happy with your choice. My opinion is, as long as you are casting when the party needs you to cast, and using your bow to conserve spell points when you don't everything should be peachy
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| 06/17/06 18:11 |
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Madclergy
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As much as I respect your question I have to ask the question of myself and everyone in your predicament "What does it matter what others think?"
The reason: They don't pay your fifteen bucks a month.
So my answer to your question, get down with your bad self, a Wizard can use a bow so you can use a bow :) If the devs of the PnP gave you the ability (or option of the ability) to use a bow then its not outside the realm of reason and because of this what others say shouldn't matter.
Atleast thats my two copper worth.
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| 06/17/06 22:05 |
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thejeni
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| QUOTE | My first post, so let me start by saying hi to everyone!
My question is this:
I built a wizard, and to be a bit different (for me), I decided to place a strong emhasis on a bow ability. This let me use the Elf +2 to Dex to raise that stat to 18 for only 2pts each instead of 3. Put STR to 10 so no penalties, CON at 12 for a little extra HP, and INT at 16, which used all the ramining points. (other stats at 8).
But when I was grouping yesterday, the party leader told me that he didn't care in our current situation, but gave me an FYI that in most parties, they'll get mad at me for shooting my bow in combat unless it had extended range or something. (An aggro thing?)
Is this so? If it is, then this character is fatally flawed in that my largest effort went into an ability that I can't use in the game! But before I wipe her out and start again (I put in some decent time so far!) I wanted to get some more input from you guys and see what was up!
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Welcome to the site!!!
As for your question, I would have to agree w/ Madclergy. No one should be telling you how to play your character. And Ozone is correct, you'll be saving spell points for those battles in which you NEED them.
I think the build is a wonderful idea. It also means that if things do get bad, and you use all your points, you aren't just standing there picking your nose. You are actually helping the team.
Don't delete her! Keep her. And if someone tells you how to play your character, just let them know that you are doing fine how you are playing.
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| 06/18/06 02:05 |
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masterslate
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While I agree mostly with what the others said, the thing about DDO is that it kinda matters what others think.. If noone wants to group with you, you can get bored of the game really quickly. Not a good thing!
I think a wizard should be able to use a bow in most parties without issue. Use spells for group targets basically, and bows for single targets, like mentioned earlier.
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| 06/19/06 03:11 |
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Madclergy
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Well no matter what everyone else thinks about the bow wielding wizard, he will always have a team with me and my family on adar.
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| 06/19/06 07:01 |
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EnPsyane74
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I'd have to question anyone who has problems with an Elf wizard using a bow... I mean, it's a granted feat they recevie - so it's not like they've done anything "un-wizard"-like to use one*. Plus, the Wiz is showing the interest in being effective in situations where casting is either not appropriate ( small fights ) or maybe not possible ( like when out of spellpoints ). I've been with many casters who used secondary modes of attack, and never had a problem with any of them.
True, when you get closer to the level cap - that bow will be used less & less. But in the early levels of the game, it's a great way for a spell-caster to be a usefull member of the party at all times.
* - I have seen some wizards and sorcerers use feats to take profs in things like greatsword or scimitar... I *do* have a problem with casters who do this because they tend to get their keisters handed to them on a regular basis. Not to mention those feats could have been better used in other ways.
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| 06/19/06 14:09 |
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Surielle
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Thanks for the warm welcome, and the detailed input; I appreciate them both!
I'm very glad of the replies, as I really like Surielle (my elf wiz), and I'm quite happy to keep her. To be honest, I've really put alot of effort into that bow skill, as it seemed to make a great deal of sense to me at 'creation time'.
I *always* take the uber wizard.. You know the one - where you choose the stats that will make you the most ultimate, powerful, bad*** wizard when all the dust clears... But I really wanted to roleplay a bit, and do something that, for me, was quite different. And I have to say, I'm really enjoying playing her! I can hit for 16 or better with the bow, which is more han I can pull off with my spells! I understand that it won't be an totally enduring skill - as the spells get better, I'll use the bow less... But I wanted an option for combat exactly as outlined above - not all the fight *require* me to be blasting fireballs left right and centre... And if you do that, soon enough you're left whining for the next rest stop. I wanted Suri to be self-sufficient, in that she could dish it out non-stop, and doesn't become dead weight in the party the moment her spell points are exhausted.
So again, thank you all for the advice! Looking forward to perhaps grouping with you guys someday! :)
If you see a cute little elf honey wandering around, don't be afraid to say hi! ;)
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| 06/20/06 15:21 |
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I think it may indeed be an aggro issue. I know as a fighter, when grouping with rangers, I am constantly trying to pull the mobs off the archers. I'm not sure of exact numbers but I think archery generates tremendous aggro. Since wizards are so squishy, maybe this is what he was hinting at...
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| 06/21/06 12:16 |
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EnPsyane74
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Ranged agro is just like any other... a mob will key agro on whomever dealth them damage fist - and then who deals them a lot of damage afterward. So - a mage casting indiscriminate Burning Hands will draw a lot of agro since they landed the first splash of damage on many mobs. Rangers tend to land a shot before anyone else, and their shots land pretty hard. So, they tend to get agro before fighters do.
As a fighter, I ususally try to place myself between the inbound mob and the person with a ranged weapon so I can fire off an Intimidate - which draws agro... and to try to land some quick shots as well.
As a ranged-combatant and a spell caster - I either hold my fire if I can't kill it before it reaches me & wait for a fighter to have agro first - or wait till I see a few hits land before I fire. That way - agro is already on someone else and I don't take as much damage in the long run. :)
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| 06/21/06 13:35 |
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