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Miss A Medica
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So, now that I have opened myself up to gameamping, I was wondering if all these experienced gamers have an opinion about this.
I'm a lvl 35 defender (I know, it's not so high), but I've played almost since day 1, just w/ lots of alts. So, I've started a lot of pick up teams. When I look for a defender I almost always hope (except now w/ the AV's) that the defender is an empath. I think they are superior to other defenders because when my health is low I don't think ...
BOY I WISH THAT DEBUFFER WOULD DO HIS JOB ... I think
CRAP, I WISH THE WE HAD AN EMPATH!!!!!
BUT, when you are on a team w/ both an empath and a debuffer you always feel like in addition to saying, "Nice heals!" you have to add a token *cough* "and great debuffing too" or the other defender get's his feelings hurt.
What's with that?
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| 06/22/06 13:59 |
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| QUOTE | So, now that I have opened myself up to gameamping, I was wondering if all these experienced gamers have an opinion about this.
I'm a lvl 35 defender (I know, it's not so high), but I've played almost since day 1, just w/ lots of alts. So, I've started a lot of pick up teams. When I look for a defender I almost always hope (except now w/ the AV's) that the defender is an empath. I think they are superior to other defenders because when my health is low I don't think ...
BOY I WISH THAT DEBUFFER WOULD DO HIS JOB ... I think
CRAP, I WISH THE WE HAD AN EMPATH!!!!!
BUT, when you are on a team w/ both an empath and a debuffer you always feel like in addition to saying, "Nice heals!" you have to add a token *cough* "and great debuffing too" or the other defender get's his feelings hurt.
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Miss A Medica
I have lots of experience with lack of appreciation on teams - all I can suggest is be bigger than them - know they need you, do a good job, thank them for their part, and enjoy the ride.
Many players are very narrow sighted and think they only need someone to heal them when they get hit and the rest of the mission is all their effort. We know that isnt true but its what they say when they choose to say 'good heals' instead of good job Miss A Medica.
My favorite is 'good job all' cause usually that is the real truth - with out all its parts working a team will lose and the offending player needs kicked not just ignored if they are at fault and wont improve.
My thoughts - Delphon
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| 06/22/06 14:06 |
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| QUOTE | So, now that I have opened myself up to gameamping, I was wondering if all these experienced gamers have an opinion about this.
I'm a lvl 35 defender (I know, it's not so high), but I've played almost since day 1, just w/ lots of alts. So, I've started a lot of pick up teams. When I look for a defender I almost always hope (except now w/ the AV's) that the defender is an empath. I think they are superior to other defenders because when my health is low I don't think ...
BOY I WISH THAT DEBUFFER WOULD DO HIS JOB ... I think
CRAP, I WISH THE WE HAD AN EMPATH!!!!!
BUT, when you are on a team w/ both an empath and a debuffer you always feel like in addition to saying, "Nice heals!" you have to add a token *cough* "and great debuffing too" or the other defender get's his feelings hurt.
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I think you may have not been teaming up with good defenders. If you have a good one that doesn't have empathy you'll never need to say to yourself, "I wish we had an empath". I have to say some of the best teaming expierences I've had is with a DDD (Dark/Dark Def).
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| 06/22/06 14:09 |
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I never actually (on CoH) had a time when someone said "Man I wish we had an emp", cuz the emp was generally me, but on CoV I my search comment it "must have corrupter with heal b4 invite". And sometimes someone (generally an incompetent blaster) yells "poop (not really what he says), emp do your job!, and I would if he didn't run into the middle of the group and target foes singly w/o using nova. So yeah, that's my life story, any questions?
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| 06/22/06 14:14 |
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Along these same lines last night I started my first ever non-empath defender. It is a Rad Rad designed to help with AVs under the current I7 regime. I never would have tried this without a strong SG as I doubt I would find a team as a Rad Rad Defender.
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| 06/22/06 14:23 |
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Wow, that was quick ... I wrote the topic, did my hair and it had 17 hits and 2 posts. That's amazing.
I don't think I have ever played w/ a dark/dark. When I was creating Miss A Medica I read a guide saying that they were the best. Maybe I should purposely not invite an empath and instead invite a dark/dark to see how it goes.
I agree entirely that it is a team effort. In fact, Brim and I are always talking about the best teams are the ones where people play their roles well. So, it's not about giving credit where credit is due. I'm all about that.
I think mostly, since my main is a blaster, I haven't really felt the effects of the other types of defenders as well.
If anyone has a dark / dark 45 - 50, I'd be interested in playing w/ them just to see; or if anyone has any defender besides an empath that they think makes an empath pale in comparison I am trying to broaden my viewpoint and would like to see your skills. I'm a cautious blaster, so I won't die just because I suck and then blame it on you.
Thanks for your input.
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| 06/22/06 14:25 |
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| QUOTE | Wow, that was quick ... I wrote the topic, did my hair and it had 17 hits and 2 posts. That's amazing.
I don't think I have ever played w/ a dark/dark. When I was creating Miss A Medica I read a guide saying that they were the best. Maybe I should purposely not invite an empath and instead invite a dark/dark to see how it goes.
I agree entirely that it is a team effort. In fact, Brim and I are always talking about the best teams are the ones where people play their roles well. So, it's not about giving credit where credit is due. I'm all about that.
I think mostly, since my main is a blaster, I haven't really felt the effects of the other types of defenders as well.
If anyone has a dark / dark 45 - 50, I'd be interested in playing w/ them just to see; or if anyone has any defender besides an empath that they think makes an empath pale in comparison I am trying to broaden my viewpoint and would like to see your skills. I'm a cautious blaster, so I won't die just because I suck and then blame it on you.
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When you say pale in comparison, if you are comparing the healing capibilities then nothing surpasses empathy, it is built around healing, dark: debuffs, rad: debuffs sonic debuffs/buffs, kinetics: debuffs/buffs. And if you are looking into into damage buffs and regeneration/recovery buffs, then either team with a kinetic or empathy, but that is pretty much it.
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| 06/22/06 14:40 |
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Nah, "pale in comparison" meaning ... I don't twinge and run away like a little girl cause I keep going red.
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| 06/22/06 14:44 |
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If you keep going in red then (if you a tank or scrapper on the team) some people aren't doing there job
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| 06/22/06 14:47 |
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i think most people want an empath because their effect can be seen easily by the eye and are a lot easier to pick up on when they happen.
i was playing with Del's RadRad last night and it was Rad! (ok bad joke i tried to make in game last night) but seriously, it was the first time i could really tell the radiation powers were making a difference and made villains easier to kill. I like dark defenders for the same reason as point 1, you can recognize easily when their powers are affecting something because its a dark cloud.
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| 06/22/06 14:50 |
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I generally don't play defenders. My main is a Healing Controller. I (at least) think I do a pretty good job at it. I for one don't feel the need for the "great heals" comment. I'm doing my job. I don't just toss out "great tanking" or "oh man you blew that guy away" all that often. I figure if you are fighting hard and saveing my bottom in a fight that is your thank you. And if I pump a blaster full of heals and keep them alive in a hectic firefight, my thank you is you didn't drop the ball and kept fighting.
Now if in a mission you hear me say something impressed me or say a thank you, it probibly means 10 times more than I say because it really does mean whatever it was was done waaaay better than I would have expected. I get very busy in game coordinateing everything and I take it pretty serious in a fight so I don't have alot of time for chit chat and such. When the mission is done or I have to leave and I say "Thanks for the great team" it's not just courtesy, I mean it was a great team.
Sometimes you can just "feel" it means nothing when you hear a thank you. Other times you know it means you are really appreciated. If a blaster says thanks after a ruff fight where you pumped thousands of points of healing into them, you know they mean it.
So to the actual point, your question, I don't and wouldn't want to have said to me a thank you at any old time. If the thought goes through your head, "dang I'm glad I had a shield on in that fight" say it and mean it. If the thought goes through your head "Wow that was so cool when you _____" say that and mean it (that's really just another form of thank you, it's praise from a peer because you did a good job.) I would never want to have dropped the ball too many times and get a thank you because somebody felt they should say it. At the same time fighting an AV way over the teams ability and even if there were a few deaths, if there were fewer than "should have been" I'll take that thank you anytime and still wish I had done better 8)
    
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Naestra - 21 Energy/Energy Blaster
Seraphim Naestra - 20 Storm/Archery Defender
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Ms Egypt - 17 Gravity/Empathy Controller
Secret Fire - 16 Stone/Stone Tank
Dark Flamebird - 14 Fire/Fire Blaster
Ms. Webber - 15 Assault Rifle/Fire Blaster
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| 06/22/06 14:54 |
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toushe' ... excellent point :) - concerning the tank part and going red -
(off topic. Is that how you spell "toushe'" cause that kind of reminds me of tushy, bootie, etc.)
So, then it all goes back to teamplay, eh? Well, then .. in a pick up team what type of build do you think people shoot for? (OK, except for w/ the whole AV thing and Rads being in high demand. Because now I play w/ 1 - tank, 2 - blasters, 1 - scrap and the rest rads, and that's just not normal.) I still wonder if the majority would still hope if the comment would say "all empath, pick me" :) (Jk)
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| 06/22/06 14:55 |
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Good thing the baby is taking a nap, cause I've just been sitting here replying for an hour or so.
I agree with the ice tank w/ the cool sig, that it is easier to appreciate someone when you can see their effects.
Also, as far as saying "thanks" goes, I agree with the whole idea of saying thanks when thanks is due. I want to say thanks after my butt has been chewed in a battle and I'm standing alive in amazement at the end. Which is why it urks me when I say "ty for heals" and then the debuffer makes some comment about how "well if I didn't debuff ..." Ya know? Like my ty didn't matter, or I'm saying thanks to the wrong guy.
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Speaking of tanks and defenders and controllers and scrappers and blasters and peacebringers and warshades, I am thinking about starting a new character (kinda getting bored with my brute on CoV), which do you guys think is a fun one to play?
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| 06/22/06 15:09 |
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Fun char - I've watched brim go through prob 50 alts and talk to me ENDLESSLY about them. After everything I've learned and watched and what I'VE played ... I like my 2 scrappers the best, especially my spine scrapper. I'm not saying its the toughtest or anything, but it's like taking the fun of a blaster (I especially like the aoe and range attacks that make it diverse) and being not as squishy. So, I feel I get a little more game play.
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| 06/22/06 15:21 |
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Ah! now I understand where you are going. If someone "told" me to thank them... They would probibly get one of those meaningless thank-you's. Of course there are times where you have to hit me with a bigger 2 x 4 too...
And off this thread, if you are thinking about building a new toon and don't know what and you are doing it in COH... Might I suggest a Katana scrapper... After playing one to level 5 (remember I'm normally a healer) some of my regular playmates were asking if I was going to switch to scrappers. There is something way too fun about running in and takeing on a whole mob at a time.
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Secret Fire - 16 Stone/Stone Tank
Dark Flamebird - 14 Fire/Fire Blaster
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| 06/22/06 15:27 |
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| QUOTE | | I agree with the ice tank w/ the cool sig, that it is easier to appreciate someone when you can see their effects. |
:) thanks but the sig was all Death Fetish's doing! i'd say he's designed most everyone's cool siggys.
and i agree that scrappers are the most fun to play. i love standing toe to toe with a villain and giving each other shots until you both are in the red and about to die then your critical hit comes in FTW! it feel like rocky balboa taking out apollo creed!
but you should try at least one toon of every AT to find out what you like the most. there are 187 total different possible builds available in CoH (28 tanks, 24 scrappers, 35 blasters, 42 trollers and 56 defenders and 2 khledians)
i dont suggest making this many alts, but you might have to to find the one you want!
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| 06/22/06 15:33 |
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| QUOTE | | There is something way too fun about running in and takeing on a whole mob at a time. |
Except that when you get a little higher, you won't be taking on whole mobs at once. At least not without rackin up some debt. Either that, or I'm playin my dark/dark scrapper wrong. :)
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| 06/22/06 15:34 |
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| QUOTE | Wow, that was quick ... I wrote the topic, did my hair and it had 17 hits and 2 posts. That's amazing.
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Well when you start a topic like this one, you are bound to get replies *grin* it is a very nice discussion.
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And now you are officially one of us *grin* Can you see the addcition now?
As for on topic (i know hard to belive i'm doing this)... What server are you playing on? If it is the good one *grin* Triumph and you can't find a DDD to team w/ let me know. My friend has a level 50 DDD and I'm sure she wouldn't mind showing you how great they are (they even get a pet!). If it isn't the good server, I'm sure you can find someone here who can show you the joys of other defs... i myself don't have the paticence to play them. I want to shoot stuff *grin*
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| 06/22/06 15:49 |
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Ugh! Brim said just the other day, "We need to start some chars on triumph."
Alas, the only chars I have are on Liberty. So, sad!
So, any GOOD DDD on Liberty between 45-50, let me know.
WIsh they could let you switch chars between servers. *hint, hint*
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| 06/22/06 15:58 |
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| QUOTE | Ugh! Brim said just the other day, "We need to start some chars on triumph."
Alas, the only chars I have are on Liberty. So, sad!
So, any GOOD DDD on Liberty between 45-50, let me know.
WIsh they could let you switch chars between servers. *hint, hint*
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You should start some on Triumph before Sunday so you can join us all.
And as for the Siggy. I'm not so good w/ making them, so I cheated and asked the CoH and the GW communities to create some for me. I now rotate those that were made for me every week.
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WHy before Sunday? Are you all starting lowbies or something.
Maybe Brim will let us remake Mr. and Mrs. Hollowpoint. They would be fun to do over there, and I don't really like her costume to well and am still to low to get new one. :)
Wait, not that Brim is in charge of who I make or anything. I just want him to want to too. (Funny sentence) 'Cause we always play together, and I really like the HOllowpoints.
Working on getting a "cool sig." WIll have to get some better shots.
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We're all lowbies 8)
I'm running a 10 tank and 15 empath controler. I think some of the active SG members right now go all the way down to level 3 and doubt there are any or many over 20.
Come play with us littles!
You know as well as the rest of us level 1 to 5 is like an hour job if you know what you are doing and at level 5 you can play with my 10 and still get xp!!!!!
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Naestra of the Irda - 39 Gravity/Empathy Controller
Naestra - 21 Energy/Energy Blaster
Seraphim Naestra - 20 Storm/Archery Defender
Darkwalker Naestra - 6 Illusion/Empathy Controller
Ms Egypt - 17 Gravity/Empathy Controller
Secret Fire - 16 Stone/Stone Tank
Dark Flamebird - 14 Fire/Fire Blaster
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| QUOTE | WHy before Sunday? Are you all starting lowbies or something.
Maybe Brim will let us remake Mr. and Mrs. Hollowpoint. They would be fun to do over there, and I don't really like her costume to well and am still to low to get new one. :)
Wait, not that Brim is in charge of who I make or anything. I just want him to want to too. (Funny sentence) 'Cause we always play together, and I really like the HOllowpoints.
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Because Sunday you can meet us. Click on the link I put in *grin*
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| QUOTE | Maybe Brim will let us remake Mr. and Mrs. Hollowpoint. They would be fun to do over there, and I don't really like her costume to well and am still to low to get new one. :)
Wait, not that Brim is in charge of who I make or anything.... |
Brim in charge of everything at Brim's house!!!
Brim thinks that Miss A Medica must need another beating to get her in line again!!!!
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| 06/23/06 20:09 |
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| QUOTE | Wow, that was quick ... I wrote the topic, did my hair and it had 17 hits and 2 posts. That's amazing.
I don't think I have ever played w/ a dark/dark. When I was creating Miss A Medica I read a guide saying that they were the best. Maybe I should purposely not invite an empath and instead invite a dark/dark to see how it goes.
I agree entirely that it is a team effort. In fact, Brim and I are always talking about the best teams are the ones where people play their roles well. So, it's not about giving credit where credit is due. I'm all about that.
I think mostly, since my main is a blaster, I haven't really felt the effects of the other types of defenders as well.
If anyone has a dark / dark 45 - 50, I'd be interested in playing w/ them just to see; or if anyone has any defender besides an empath that they think makes an empath pale in comparison I am trying to broaden my viewpoint and would like to see your skills. I'm a cautious blaster, so I won't die just because I suck and then blame it on you.
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I have to chime in at this point since Jordan is a Dark/Dark/Dark (or as we affectionally call it, a D3). You'd be surprised what I can do besides heal (and I can heal, it's just not as efficient).
I can team rez in battle. Dark rez stuns, slows, and damages all nearby enemies and rezzes all nearby dead teammembers to full life and end. Because of the stun effect, everyone will also have time to put their toggles back on.
Tar patch slows and lowers defense making otherwise over-leveled enemies possible to hit (and slows their attack).
Shadow fall is a group stealth power that also protects against PSI (one of the very few powers in the game that does so). No one has ever had to worry about taking on the Clockwork King in the alternate dimention with me around.
Darkest night is a toggle that drops enemy accuracy to almost nothing. Fighting AV's is cake in the sense that no one on my team can really get hurt that badly (as long as we take out everything near the AV first).
Anwyay, check out the guide link in my signature since my whole site is all about how to build and play a d3 :) and you'll know everything you ever wanted (or didn't want) to know about them.
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yeah, wheneveri play my illusion/radiation troller, which is very close to being an AV killer, 2 lvls from lingering radiation, i never hear good debuffs, or damn its a good thing nothing can hit us with these debuffs! all i ever hear is nice heals or heal better! (even though i have one heal, and its slow). people just dont know team components, but i try to make a point of saying nice debuffs and things of that nature
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| QUOTE | | yeah, wheneveri play my illusion/radiation troller, which is very close to being an AV killer, 2 lvls from lingering radiation, i never hear good debuffs, or damn its a good thing nothing can hit us with these debuffs! all i ever hear is nice heals or heal better! (even though i have one heal, and its slow). people just dont know team components, but i try to make a point of saying nice debuffs and things of that nature |
Sometimes you need to prime the pump as it were. If you think your team isn't appreciating your work, you can try what I did once.
During a mission with a bunch of DE, I said, here, let me get this next group. So my team scoffed as I headed off to take down 11 or so DE by myself. Well, I locked them all down and had them firmly under control. I stood in the middle like a tank and they couldn't hit me at all.
After a minute or so, the group realized I couldn't kill them in less than 5 minutes alone, but they sure weren't able to do much to me.
Now that's an object lesson!
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Doctor Kev 50 Necro/Dark Mastermind
Grave Sally 50 Rad/Kin Corruptor (slowest combo in existance)
Mudnuke 42 Earth/Rad Controller
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I can only really speak of my experience as a Dark/Arch Defender who is my main toon at lvl 30. I love being the healer/debuffer. I think it adds more flavor than a straight empath (though I love them too!).
And to be honest, when I have been on teams with straight empaths by Twilight Grasp will often heal better than their heal other. Of course it may miss, but it heals a lot fast. The people I tend to team with enjoy the holds/debuffs as much as the heals I do.
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I guess I have to backstep on my original comment. Yep, it's not so much about the other types of defenders not being as good that bothered me. It was definitely the whole, being asked to thank them thing.
Also, I think because I played w/ empaths so much that I never really invited others (on purpose that is ... I would invite a defender, and if they weren't empath I would keep them rather than be rude) but mostly because I never really experienced visibley the difference they made.
I would have loved to see the guy hold off that group of 11 all by himself. Having been playing the AV's more, we've actually really kicked butt w/o an empath. Now, I don't know how good one rad is though, cause we've had to play w/ 2 or 3 to make a difference on the baddies.
Gees, HOW COME NO ONE PLAYS ON LIBERTY!!!!!!!!
Now, I'll never see your power.
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| 06/25/06 00:00 |
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