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thejeni
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I have just had a very long conversation w/ the SG leader of Slayerz and we have come to a resolution. He was very apologetic for the actions a few of his members took, and he is handling it as he sees fit (I didn't ask how, nor do I care).
What I want everyone here to do is not have any ill will toward the SG Slayerz. Not on the official forums, not in game, not here. I've been informed that several from our community also stepped over the boundaries w/ private tells to the people who were harassing us. And what was in those tells is NOT how I expect people from Gameamp to act. What is even worse is that they sent them while wearing a "Gameamp Alliance" title over their name. We cannot have our community represented as it was. And now on the official forums this has been brought up (and last I checked it is a 4 page thread), and I feel the Gameamp name has been tarnished a bit.
So leave Slayerz alone. Please.
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| 06/26/06 00:17 |
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| 06/26/06 01:55 |
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X you didnt miss much. well actually you did miss something huge. but i'll just copy firespray's post so you dont have to look for it and high lite the important stuff.
| QUOTE | First Off, thanks to everyone who turned out. 33 in all at the end I believe.
2nd, Gratz to Bigspeer on his promotion - I know - guidelines coming soon for comments by all.
3rd - gratz to the cozzie contest winners.
... next time we arrange something it'll be longer and somewhere else.
A few ideas for the future, you can pick and choose, I've done one and it fouled up so im a bit disheartened.
TaskForces - multi groups doing the same TF, see who completes the quickest :p
Lusca
Badge hunting nights - thought Lord X would be good at organising an event like that as he is a badge master
Ghost ships sightings - for the badge
PvP - Bloody Bay - also BB missions, Shard runs etc
PvP Sirens call - as above - minus shards :p
PvP Arena - teams of 8 battle it out in some kind of league??
Just a few ideas, its up to you guys to decide whens and wheres, the staff are somewhat the admin side of the SG, I and my colleagues know that its you guys who do the hard work.
I know a lot of the decisions - rank names, promotions etc have not been 'discussed' and there is a concern that this may not be good.
I can assure you that if you are unhappy, this is the place to put it. Personally, I don't think that eg 7347 credability makes you have any more right to be ranked higher in the SG than someone with 15 credability. Why? It's earnt through team work in the game, through being a member of the community. Sure you can work together here and there, but I'd rather not link it to credability.
If you disagree, fine, its out of my hands. I'm not forcing anyone to team or play or go along with anything if they don't like it. So far it's all good, bar one or two mishaps. Its not down to who's ranked higher, its not about who has what ranks, I thought it was more about the taking part that counted, not being better than each other. So, Im going to pen a few promotion guidelines for discussion, Im good at doing stuff like that as I do it at work.
At the end of the day, my aim when coming up with the idea to do the SG, talking to phase about it and then asking if y'all wanted in was to have a bit of fun, go out and team with people you might only normally talk to on site, to put some of that joint knowledge to great work in game and help each other out.
I'm not trying to power monger the SG, I know I did say grab a staffer and team up tonight but that was coz if we had 3 staff or more on a team you'd think we were being elitist. I was trying to involve everyone at some level to have a bit of fun.
If I have failed to do that or give assurances that Im not 'the emperor', then I humbly apologise to you all.
I just want to have a bit of fun and team with y'all.
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| 06/26/06 05:25 |
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| QUOTE | | I've been informed that several from our community also stepped over the boundaries w/ private tells to the people who were harassing us. And what was in those tells is NOT how I expect people from Gameamp to act. |
Well, I thought we kinda had a leg to stand on, but when we're flingin' the mud back, we're not much better than they are. I hope we can remember this next time a situation like this presents itself.
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| 06/26/06 08:37 |
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Thanx for taking the initiative to talk to the leader of Slayerz Jeni. That is what needed to be done.
The local chat I saw was heated, but not over the edge. Evedently the PM's weren't as restrained.
She is right. We do not need to engage players in that kind of behaviour. Even if they initiate it. Most SG leaders of long standing SGs do not tolerate that kind of behaviour, and they are the people to take it up with.
I've stated before that I have done worse than what I saw in local chat last night, but I didn't feel right about it afterwards, and have had to appologize to players before because I was in the wrong. Sometimes it was a missunderstanding, sometimes they were just buttheads and I did not need to stoop to their level.
No one says you have to take the abuse, but it's how you respond that makes the difference. Tell them you'll report them, log the chat, send the petition, put them on Global Ignore. Once you get into the cussing match with them, they won. It's all they are there to accoplish anyhow. While you are fuming, they are laughing because they got you all worked up.
As we saw yesterday, once they stopped getting a rise out of us, they went away. Like little children, or bullies, if they can't get what they are after, they get bored.
We're new as an SG on this server, but funneling this many premium players from other servers into one SG is going to draw a lot of attention. We need to represent on Triumph, what we represent here. It's not always as easy to do on the game as it is on the forums. We would have banned those griefers from the site. We do not have that power on the game itself(too bad.....).
In all, a bad thing, but a needed wake up call. We are not alone out there.
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| 06/26/06 09:39 |
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What's going on? Some grudge between AMP and some other SG?
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| 06/26/06 09:42 |
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| QUOTE | | What's going on? Some grudge between AMP and some other SG? |
Pretty much. During the event last night, some players from another SG decided to interrupt our festivities. Verbal hostilities ensued, and both sides stepped over the line. Now, everybody is trying to deal with the aftermath.
Honestly, it wasn't a big deal until it went up on the official forums. When it headed down that avenue, we had to defend ourselves a bit. I think the biggest help to our side is that the instigator is known for being out of line.
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| 06/26/06 09:49 |
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| QUOTE | | What's going on? Some grudge between AMP and some other SG? |
First off.... Welcome to the GameAmp COH site Xaviak.
There was a minor altercation between a couple of the Slayerz members while we were trying to have an SG meeting. We moved.... they followed.
It's not an ongoing issue with that SG that is going to continue. The leadership of the SG's are going to handle it. We will hold no ill will against that SG as a whole, but I imagine the people involved last night will remain on some players global ignore list.
I'd hope we get the opportunity to meet other, nicer players from that SG in the future.
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| 06/26/06 09:50 |
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| QUOTE | | What's going on? Some grudge between AMP and some other SG? |
lol kinda what everyone is tryin to prevent, which shouldnt be a problem.
and jsut a thought, how long, if at all, before a slayerz member takes a peek at this site and makes a post?
MAN i'm slow today! this is twice in 5 minutes i got beat to the punch!
BY TWO PEOPLE NONE THE LESS! gotta get back in the gym!
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| 06/26/06 09:50 |
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First off.... Welcome to the GameAmp COH site Xaviak.
There was a minor altercation between a couple of the Slayerz members while we were trying to have an SG meeting. We moved.... they followed.
It's not an ongoing issue with that SG that is going to continue. The leadership of the SG's are going to handle it. We will hold no ill will against that SG as a whole, but I imagine the people involved last night will remain on some players global ignore list.
I'd hope we get the opportunity to meet other, nicer players from that SG in the future. |
Heh, thanks for the welcome though I've been here eariler, not just posting that much. (I'm more on the GW side)
Oooh, I hope you guys sort it out. :S
Though from my experience in CoV, I thought CoV/H would be the last place for a mess like this! I've never had such experiences in CoV... :O
Honestly I would've thought that issues like this would've been over at the GW side since it has no monthly fees so most hostile players would be more likely to be there...
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| 06/26/06 09:57 |
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This was not our finest moment as a community. We faultered our own integrity by letting them get the best of us. To say I am disappointed would be an understatment. A few of us overstepped the boundries, and now we must deal with the outcome of the event.
As one of the Leaders for the SG I feel somewhat responsible for letting this get out of hand. I will be taking further steps to help prevent this kind of thing from happening again.
| QUOTE | | how long, if at all, before a slayerz member takes a peek at this site and makes a post? |
If someone from their SG "peeks at this site and makes a post" they will be greeted with open arms and a warm welcome. Just as many of you have.
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| 06/26/06 10:00 |
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| QUOTE | | This was not our finest moment as a community. We faultered our own integrity by letting them get the best of us. To say I am disappointed would be an understatment. A few of us overstepped the boundries, and now we must deal with the outcome of the event. |
disappointed being an understatement? i'd say that's a little harsh. we tried to have a SG meeting. he bothered us and one of their people said atlas might not be the best place for it, so we moved. he followed us that was the invitation needed to let him have it! RL example: your at dinner with your family and someone comes and stands next to your table and just starts talking to you and being rude, throw food at your family, and generally harrass you. you tell the manager and you leave. probably dont go back there for a while. which i'm guessing we won't have anymore SG meetings on the steps in atlas.
now what if that guy follows your family out of the restaurant and starts harrassing you on your way to the car? what then? get in your car and drive away seems like the obvious choice. ok then he follows you home. my point is you have to defend yourself and your family at one point! yeah i know, in paragon its a little different, but same basic principle!
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As one of the Leaders for the SG I feel somewhat responsible for letting this get out of hand. I will be taking further steps to help prevent this kind of thing from happening again. |
i'm not trying to undermine your authority or whatever, this is more out of curiosity, what further steps could be necessary? we moved the meeting to GC in the far corner from the train station. i really hope you weren't inferring to action against an individual amper. there would be no need for that.
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| 06/26/06 10:14 |
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| QUOTE | | If someone from their SG "peeks at this site and makes a post" they will be greeted with open arms and a warm welcome. Just as many of you have. |
Definitely. We don't bring our scuffles to the site. Even if the instigator of last night's situation arrives, he'll be welcomed with open arms...And probably banned shortly after if he decides to flame. :P
But we'll show him the same respect that we show all of our new members.
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| 06/26/06 10:15 |
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The leader of Slayerz SG told me that if any of his members tries to start something w/ any of our members to let him know and that he would take care of it. I told him the same thing.
If one of their members does come to Gameamp, we will treat them as we treat all new members, with a welcome and help.
| QUOTE | | m not trying to undermine your authority or whatever, this is more out of curiosity, what further steps could be necessary? we moved the meeting to GC in the far corner from the train station. i really hope you weren't inferring to action against an individual amper. there would be no need for that. |
There is a need for a few who went way beyond what was necessary via tells. And they MUST be dealt with. We are discussing what it will be right now.
As for the analagy you used, it is a bit different in real life. In RL we don't have the ability to petition and get that person removed from our environment. And that is what we should have done and left it at that. Once our members start talking back via tells, it makes all those petitions that were sent kinda null and void. We don't have a leg to stand on now w/ those petitions because of some of the things that were said.
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| 06/26/06 10:23 |
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Edited to say :
Jeni sumed up my post.
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| 06/26/06 10:30 |
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yeah, i know its different than RL, but i'm still saying it's the same principle. some people can only take so much harrassment. do you know exactly what was said by who? did they send you a log or something? yesterday was actually the first time i sent a petition and was surprised about the emails i got back so i never knew how it worked and when someone mentioned the chat log that surprised me too.
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| 06/26/06 10:34 |
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| QUOTE | | yeah, i know its different than RL, but i'm still saying it's the same principle. some people can only take so much harrassment. do you know exactly what was said by who? did they send you a log or something? yesterday was actually the first time i sent a petition and was surprised about the emails i got back so i never knew how it worked and when someone mentioned the chat log that surprised me too. |
Yes, I have received a copy of the chat logs. I wouldn't be willing to take action if I didn't have the proof.
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| 06/26/06 10:41 |
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how do you do that? i dont think i've ever seen that mentioned on the site before.
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| 06/26/06 10:44 |
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The leaders of an SG can't see private chat. So they can't control what they do not see.
None of the leaders were at fault. The local(visible) chat was not out of line. Most of what I saw was Del trying to convince them they had actually stepped over the line to harrassment. Although aggrivated, I never saw the "F bomb" dropped.
Definition: F bomb: Cussing in any manner, name calling other than the obvious "Your greiefing" i.e. "You're a griefer".
These are issues that I have had to deal with in the past in my own SG. Once the point is clearly made that we do not participate in these cussing matches, that we do not threaten other players, etc..... Then we can get back to playing.
Again, this was a wake up call. How we deal with each other is easy. We mostly know each other. We know how to handle a heated discussion with each other because this is a site for reasonable people. Not everyone will be reasonable, and we have to be able to difuse them, take the wind out of their sails, not to join into their troglodite, harrasing mentality.
The leaders should set down the rules of engagement, and this was simply a good sounding board for an issue that would have eventually have come up. There was no avoiding it, and better it comes up now while we are in the early stages of development.
I'll also welcome the members of Slayerz to the site. Even the one of them that did the majority of the harrasing, not just the one that did the arguing about it. They probably cannot contain their desire to offend, so they will loose access to the site soon after. Also causing them to hunt us down specifically. You just can't stop those kinds of people, we can only control their access here, and how we deal with them in the future.
I do agree with Big somewhat. These guys did go out of their way to harrass us. You can't always take that lying down. Especially if they just keep following us. But we can take the high road. If they post here and see these strings, they'll know that what they did was unappreciated, but I doubt they will get it that they were rude. Their leaders don't seem to be so childish, so hopefully that can be handled in the Slayerz's own internal structure.
You can't sugar coat everything. They were extreemly rude. We just need to keep to our standards and not sink to theirs. I truly hope the rest of their SG is a nicer bunch. They are going to have to share Triumph with us whether they like it or not. We aren't going anywhere.
Let our leaders take point here. They will address this on both sides. A code of conduct for us, and discussion with the other SG's leaders.
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| 06/26/06 10:47 |
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Ehrm, sorry if I seem immature but are you guys sure you're not
just making a bit of a larger shout about this?
I mean, I know there's people who get their kicks when they ruin something that's fun for others and I think it's normal for people to react to this with hostility. That's just natural! If some Ampers give some feedback to those who ruined your event, it doesn't change the fact that Amp's stille the no.1 community in the spiderweb that some call the internet! O.o
No one expects you to stand for dirt in-game and just turn the other cheek. :P
Though I do not know about these PMs and those might be a bit far out.
Also to the leaders of the Ampic SG: You can't really prevent your members of doing or saying stuff. All you can do is give 'em a guideline to follow and break their balls if they ever do something bad. :P
NOTE my comments shouldn't bee taken too seriously since I don't know that much about the matter at hand. :P
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| 06/26/06 10:52 |
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Well I doubt I've read all there is to read on this topic but of what I see of GA administration it makes me ask on a very fundimental level if GA is enhancing or diminishing my game experience. I know very well that there are very many individuals who have provided alot of "betterment" of the game for me. But OMG! We're discussing right now what to do about it is way over the top for a 15 dollar a month computer game.
    
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| 06/26/06 10:55 |
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| QUOTE | | Well I doubt I've read all there is to read on this topic but of what I see of GA administration it makes me ask on a very fundimental level if GA is enhancing or diminishing my game experience. I know very well that there are very many individuals who have provided alot of "betterment" of the game for me. But OMG! We're discussing right now what to do about it is way over the top for a 15 dollar a month computer game. |
I'm sorry you feel this way. If you are not having fun in the SG, the please don't feel like you HAVE to stay w/ us. This is a game, and it is about having fun. The SG is VERY new and we are still trying to get all the kinks worked out of it. But if you are not having fun, find a SG that you have fun w/. That's what CoH is all about.
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Yeah, I flew .RoboMonkey over to Atla PArk late yesterday, and found some of the offenders under the statue. We had a nice chat, and I apologized for anything I mightve done that offended them. One even said they had checked out gameamp, but hadnt stayed for long (he had a TF or something).
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| QUOTE | | Well I doubt I've read all there is to read on this topic |
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NOTE my comments shouldn't bee taken too seriously since I don't know that much about the matter at hand. :P |
This is the reason why it seems like it is being taken out of proportion. There are details that you are not aware of.
We will handle this situation as we see fit.
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| QUOTE | | Well I doubt I've read all there is to read on this topic but of what I see of GA administration it makes me ask on a very fundimental level if GA is enhancing or diminishing my game experience. I know very well that there are very many individuals who have provided alot of "betterment" of the game for me. But OMG! We're discussing right now what to do about it is way over the top for a 15 dollar a month computer game. |
How we deal with other players, even the rude ones, is one of the most important issues in the game. We slipped a little in how we should have responded overall.
It's not over the top when you spend as many hours in game as some of us do for the 15 bucks. It can be what totally ruins the game for some players. Probably one of the worst issues in MMORPGs overall.
I can deal with inexperience, but rude behaviour brings out the worst in everyone. We definately need to nip this one quick. Let the leaders do their thing. I know in the end cussing out another player will not be tollerated for SG members. So if you haven't cussed anyone out lately, there is nothing to worry about.
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I think that everyone is missing the point of thejeni's post. Her point is it's handled and lets all foirget it and move on and have fun. Thats what we're all here for after all. So play ball!!!
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| QUOTE | | Yeah, I flew .RoboMonkey over to Atla PArk late yesterday, and found some of the offenders under the statue. We had a nice chat, and I apologized for anything I mightve done that offended them. |
That is TOTALLY new to me!Really, it is! O.o
You can actually have a civilized conversations with people who do monkey stuff in-game? Whoa.
All my time in Online games, I've always wondered what kind of people those offensive people are, but not in my wildest dreams have I dreamt of having a chat with them. O.o
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| QUOTE | | I think that everyone is missing the point of thejeni's post. Her point is it's handled and lets all foirget it and move on and have fun. |
LoL. :P
I got the point when I read her original post but I kinda forgot it a few posts later.... sorry. :P
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OK, off subject.........
How is Xaviak posting multiple times and their avatar only shows 1 post?
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | Well I doubt I've read all there is to read on this topic |
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NOTE my comments shouldn't bee taken too seriously since I don't know that much about the matter at hand. :P |
This is the reason why it seems like it is being taken out of proportion. There are details that you are not aware of.
We will handle this situation as we see fit. |
I only thought I might give you a view of an outsider. :P
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