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Just a general question. Why would they put a title in the game that promotes QUITING to keep from dieing? I have been in countless missions-runs-PvP etc where if it gets tough people start dropping to keep from getting killed. I don't want to take anyones thunder away from them for acheiving it or trying to. I would rather stay and possibly pull out a victory rather then exit and leave others to be short a person.
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| 07/13/06 10:05 |
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livingdeadgirl
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I dont think anet intended for that too happen :\
and i think it's pretty selfish from players to leave in mission because they don't want to die
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| 07/13/06 10:20 |
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I just had that happen to me on Dragon's Lair mission. WE got kicked on Facet Of Elements because PEOPLE KEPT QUITTING!
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| 07/13/06 17:21 |
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That kind of thing is annoying, i'm going for the survivor title at the moment but i do all the missions with henchies because i know at some point im going to quit if things get too tough.
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| 07/13/06 17:27 |
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GodMode
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i think the survivor title is dumb imo...i rather kill the foe before i die...in other words, i put little priority in my own self healing.
i'm one of those guys with a high death count beyond 2,000. >.<
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| 07/13/06 17:31 |
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the by product on this one was terrible. as a result i dont have alot of props to those with this title as it means you buggered out on your teams on more than one occasion to achieve it.
one more example of something that the egos couldnt keep from turning into something that it wasnt meant to be just so they can say "look at me"
to those that legitimately eanred it ... props to you. to those that buggered out to kepp it... you just cheated at solitaire .. enjoy the mental masturbation and get over yourself
to those that henched it knowing you would bugger out if it got thick .. i guess conggrats and i dont lump you into that category as the quitters.. but i still dont know if that counts in my book knowing you would have died how many times if you hadnt disconnected real fast.. kinda makes it hollow to me.. but its better than bailing on teammates
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| 07/13/06 17:37 |
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Zoaka Ewon
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This title has 'powerlevel/leeching' all over it
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| 07/13/06 17:49 |
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i have survivor ranger that took lots of patience, heartbeating work to pull through lol. while i was in groups i still fought and even before we left for a mission, i warned them that i was trying for survivor and that i would just quit but that i would be a bit more "laid back". from the groups i've been in, they didnt seem to mind much
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| 07/13/06 17:58 |
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They should make a henchman title:
Get to level 10 with only henchmen in your party: Captain
Get to level 20 with only henchmen in your party: Commander
Get to 1 million xp with only henchmen in your party: General
etc
Yes that would suggest powerleveling BUT only with henchmen you can't do it, and no running as well >:)
Also make it so that the mission in asclon, when u go from pre to post searing, doesn't count.
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| 07/13/06 18:45 |
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i currently am going for the survivor title and i agree that it is pointless and selfish to just quit. the title was made for those that are lucky and smart enough to make it that far without dying and thats what im trying to do ive been within a couple health of loosing it and didnt quit just because it got tough so some ppl do and some dont
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| 07/15/06 12:29 |
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A little throw back to you guys, I'm on my way to the survivor title, with my assassin no less, and I haven't once quit during a mission. Unless your speaking from experience try not to generalize all the title seekers that way. Personally I find it a pain in the ass to get the title because I have to be so damn careful.
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| 07/15/06 12:47 |
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I wish i could go for survivor but since its not acount wide and ive already put so much work into my others chars titles i dont really care i dont see the point in needing 0 deaths why not just however much xp it is without dying and you can do it at any time not making it impossible for certain characters.
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| 07/15/06 13:02 |
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| QUOTE | | I wish i could go for survivor but since its not acount wide and ive already put so much work into my others chars titles i dont really care i dont see the point in needing 0 deaths why not just however much xp it is without dying and you can do it at any time not making it impossible for certain characters. |
I couldnt agree more, there was a major emphasis at the beginning of GW saying that it is a game where you cant make mistakes etc. but now there are alot of mistakes you can and most likely allready have made, if theres one reason why this game really appealed to me it was the no mistakes factor.
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| 07/15/06 13:13 |
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I wasn't even trying for the title on a ranger, and my first death was just 2 exp below the title. That was disappointing, and if it had been someone else, and they'd have quit there instead of dying, I wouldn't have been to hard on them, but I'd expect a whisper or something so that I knew. Now, if a lvl 10 or so character ever quit with the title as an excuse...
*smite*
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| 07/15/06 13:27 |
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I'm proud to say that I earned the Survivor title on my new W/Mo without quitting. I died 4 times and remade all 4 times (which, conveniently, got me like 80 some Monastery Credits) instead of quitting.
I think that if you click the little "x" to quit, it should count as a death towards the Survivor title - that would make me look smart, cunning, and innovative as opposed to everyone assuming I quit my way to the title.
I am upset about that, too, because I earned it legitimately and with guildies / henchmen to help me (I don't trust PUGs when it comes to my Survivor title). In fact, there was one time I went with guildies and I asked them to NOT monk so I could bring along henchies due to their faster reaction time with healing.
I like the Survivor title (and I'm going for Legendary Survivor by farming with my 20 W/Mo now) but I hate what it makes people do to earn it.
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| 07/15/06 13:29 |
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first of all, this title encourages people to do their best, and wasn't intended to make ppl quit missons and etc. just to stop their demise.
it's a simple title that makes ppl quit in the mifddle of something?
I find great achievement if someone can ever et that title. i know 2~3 guys that have it, and i have great respect on those ppl. but it's hard work, what can i say?
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| 07/15/06 13:33 |
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Its like most things, some people miss use it and so the people start generalizing. I think if done right its a great achievement. If you quit each time it starts getting hairy then you really didn't achieve anything.
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| 07/16/06 07:28 |
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I have the Title, and I earned it, but not on the character that wears it... :/
I created a Char on my second account, then met myself with my first Account (a 3,000,000+ XP Tank). He basically soloed the game for her all the way to Vizunah.
I don't feel special for having it, as I tried previously doing the work myself, and failed at level 13 (Unlucky for her). It was very disappointing, and I did consider doing it again... but, alas, I chose the easy option and the only satisfaction I got from it was knowing Axxor helped out a 'cousin' while he earned more of the 'Protector of Cantha' title, and notched up Canthan Exploring to 90%+.
I now need to do a little more exploring (6%), to find a decent team in Vizunah (I keep missing Masters by 20 seconds) and to open a ton more high end chest to get the 'Kind Of a Big Deal' Title, IMO the only title other than 100% Tyria worth Having - As most just require lots of cash and a bit of time, or PvP experience.
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| 07/16/06 07:56 |
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| QUOTE | | I wish i could go for survivor but since its not acount wide and ive already put so much work into my others chars titles i dont really care i dont see the point in needing 0 deaths why not just however much xp it is without dying and you can do it at any time not making it impossible for certain characters. |
*Blows away the dust*
Yup, IMO they should make Survivor so that dying resets the XP counter for the title. It would be much more consistent.
Say you die once in your early days and then rack up 3 million XP w/o visiting a shrine ever, doesn't that make you a survivor?
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| 11/08/06 09:05 |
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I personally think 90% of all titles are retarded and worthless ... especially survivor... One of the first things I do when I create a new character is to go and kill him off once and complain that I lost my survivor title, just to see how everybody else who actually wants it reacts LOL.
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| 11/08/06 09:08 |
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| QUOTE | | I personally think 90% of all titles are retarded and worthless ... especially survivor... One of the first things I do when I create a new character is to go and kill him off once and complain that I lost my survivor title, just to see how everybody else who actually wants it reacts LOL. |
Well I somehow agree with you about how hollow Survivor might seem. Got rank 1 on my assassin w/o much effort (only had to plan smart and do all secondary prof quests on Shing Jea, then some postman quests on Cantha). Also runners/PLers take away some glory off it.
However when you really try your best and due to a fraction of a second, it goes all *poof*... Teeth grinding ensures.
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| 11/08/06 09:20 |
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Thing is, you're not a survivor if you had to psudo cheat to avoid death to begin with. Those who do that may eventually get the title, but they know themselves that they didn't earn it. It's more pathetic than anything if you ask me.
To those who genuinly get the title, kudos. Its an impressive feat. I know I've never even come close in Prophecies or Factions.
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| 11/08/06 09:24 |
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When you are going for titles... do it in a way you are not disrupting other players.
I myself have no intention of even trying to get survivor... but if I would, I would probably ask some guildiez to aid me and warn them that I'd be quiting when below 10% hp or something. That way I don't mess up other ppl's missions/quests/ventures
Personally I'm going for a couple of titles... just because I think I can do it... and just because I feel satisfied whenever I get one!
Also... since the wisdom and treasure hunter are adding to the salvage-percentage... I tend to focus on these more!
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| 11/08/06 09:31 |
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| QUOTE | | Thing is, you're not a survivor if you had to psudo cheat to avoid death to begin with. Those who do that may eventually get the title, but they know themselves that they didn't earn it. It's more pathetic than anything if you ask me. |
Good point, Maybe anet should make you remain online for like 5 seconds after you log-off, or close the game. Most games have a quit period, where you have to wait like 20 seconds it so, and even if you just close it(or it crashes) the game waits that long until it actually disconnects you. All anet needs is like a 5(maybe 10) second counter where someone isnt disconnected instantly, instead, they are disconnected 5-10 seconds AFTER they close the game or log off.
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| 11/08/06 09:33 |
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I nearly got it with my Dervish, I did not quit, did everything with my friend and Heroes, missions and quests etc...it was so fun!
But then I thought I am cool strong alone so I went ahead while my friend was afk and I died.
*cries* So close!! Oh well.
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| 11/08/06 09:38 |
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I'm not sure it's entirely The survivor title's fault... but people are quitting more and more from PvP and it's getting rather annoying.
I'v actually started to yell at people in my head and get frustraited. Which is why I had to take a break from Random arenas.
My point is made here. My team would get a FLAWLESS VICTORY! AND PEOPLE QUIT! What the freaking cheese wizz. Flawless victory. Obviously we did something right. I would have loved to continue with the team but oops two people quit AFTER WE GOT A FLAWLESS VICTORY.
If this happened maybe once or twice... It would be alright. I'd shrug it off and not complain. But I couldn't go more than 2 concecutive wins without a leaver on my side let alone the other side.
It's kind of disgusting. Why would you start a Random arena's game just to quit before the match even starts? That turns my crank even more. You don't even know how your team will perform and you bolt.
I mostly blame people who are trying to spike their way into RA and get a balanced team by playing the clock just to wrack up a couple wins.
This situation is getting ridiculous.
As for people who leave during missions and quests. Sometimes it isn't just survivor title. I am guilty of this once or twice. Where the leaving member gains their objective (whether it be bonus or a skill cap) and they jet because they don't want to do the rest of the mission and basically screw over the rest of the team.
I wont admit my innocence to this... :D but it happens more often then not.
So I suppose on top of all of this the survivor title causes people to leave a little more. Which still blows. There is a simple solution to the "survivors" *cough* wussies *cough* out there.
If you are in trouble in PvE; GET THE HELL OUTA THERE.
It's simple; you start to see people dying you run, rez, recoup. It's kind of like recycling. Your team will be happy you survived with Rez and you'll be a hero.
All the while saving your title. (which I think titles are boring and stupid but that's a personal opinion).
I think the geenral agreement on this is stop freakin leaving!
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| 11/08/06 10:21 |
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Well I got Legendary Survivor on my Ranger (abouth the 10th char I made).
Never stiffed a group, finished Factions with him and did ascencion without dying.
Most of the XP I got by cleaning maps and substantial skill hunting (which paid out very nicely with Nightfall since I had unlocked tons of elites for the heros that I didn't have previously). I got about half the XP needed for the max title from elite caps.
I do admit to occasionnally mapping out but only when running henchs. And around 200K before the max title I was last alive and ran from a mob of avicara ... with 1HP!
Talk about nerve wracking.
Made it though and am reasonably proud of it.
Much more annoying is the explorer title. Have my main tank at 99.8% of Cantha and have edged about all maps and just can't find the last .2%
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| 11/08/06 10:24 |
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Survivor Tier 1 is insanely easy to get, all you have to do is level to 20 without dying... this can be done in a day by some people.
survivor tier 3 however, will not come in a day, it takes hundereds of hours, and the most effective way to get it is to skill cap (solo farming is subject to lag spikes and getting you killed, powerleveling is the same way).
I'd be willing to bet that 90% of the tier 3 survivors really did earn their title by playing with henchies and guildies, and by skill capping. NOT by leeching.
however the leechers are the ones that people notice and they give "survivors" a bad name... but leechers rarely make it to or past tier 2.
I fully intend to go for, and get, tier 3 on my monk using only henchies, capping skills and getting exp as fast as i can.
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| 11/08/06 12:44 |
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Why would you do RA or TA for Survivor title? Haha, those places are actually the best to stock up on Deaths =)
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| 11/08/06 12:48 |
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Hey I didn't ever, never quitted to get my survivors (actually with the ranger i didn't even realize i got it XD). Survivors should never quit otherwise why to get it, I mean, you got no honesty... I wouldn't feel good if doing a survivor I quitted like 100 times... I tried to do many survivors, my monk for example, was getting survivor, but in a mission I died, no prob... He died, he wasnt able to survive, he didnt get survivor.
EDIT: OMG you all hate survivors! Come on! Not all survivors are noobs! I hope Anet will make an update that make quitting while in explorable area = death so real survivors can gain some respect and false ones dont get it... I hope it sooo much.
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| 11/08/06 13:01 |
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