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Newander

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New player comming from WoW.

I play World of Warcraft but have become bored with it. I was wondering if anyone could give me a comparison to the gameplay so I know what I'm getting myself into. Any information is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

08/03/06 10:54

bigspeer

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

welcome! i've never played WoW, just regular old warcraft.

from what i hear about WoW, CoH as a whole is a better community and more fun to play... especially if you play with us!

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08/03/06 11:06

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

Well, I don't know much at all about playing WoW. Never have, but welcome to the City of Heroes site and to CoH. As soon as Grifter gets around to seeing this thread, I'm sure he can give you and exeptional comparison as he plays both this and WoW.

08/03/06 11:07

Newander

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

A better community is a big reason I'm interested. I've become of the tiresome insults that are abound in WoW.

08/03/06 11:09

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

From a serious wow player, the biggest difference will be the lack of all loot. COH is all about the action. There is no loot, no camping, no crafting. Just beating up bad guys. And it is great. The progression in the game is challanging, the villains you fight are ever changing, and as you level you get cool new powers. I haven't played WOW at all, so it will be hard for me to point out other pluses and minuses.

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08/03/06 11:09

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

Coh is better, just cause i think, as big said, the community is better and nobody will start making fun of you if you dont know something, the missions are fun and yeah thats pretty much it

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08/03/06 11:09

bigspeer

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

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and nobody will start making fun of you if you dont know something

haha i wouldnt go that far, but the majority of people wont. there are always some bad eggs in the basket, some moldy bread in the drawer, some rotten tomatoes on the vine, a few weeds in the flowerbed, a few snakes on a plane, maybe some termites the wood even. i'd go as far as saying, now dont be offended, a few runts in the litter if you know what i'm saying.

08/03/06 11:15

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

hey welcome Newander. i like most all people ive read here have no played WoW just City of Heros and City of Villains. but i do want to welcome u to gameamp and CoH. im pretty new myself and believe me this is a cazy fun community.

08/03/06 11:15

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

Maturity is a big point from what I've seen from WoW. People won't want to kill you because you've asked a question that is obvious to them.

Like someone said, no loot. Just action. You don't have to run around and pick up the cadavers or see who will pick which one.

Your character is also ALWAYS unique(unless you don't want to or make it REALLY bland), there's so much options for costumes, I spent SO many hours just trying them out!

08/03/06 11:16

thejeni

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

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1st off Welcome to the site, Newander!

I have been looking into getting WoW, haven't actually played it, but I think I know enough to give you a bit of a comparison.

First and foremost I think you should know there is no loot in CoH. You choose which powers you want as you level up, and can add "slots" to your powers that you can put Enhancements in. Enhancements and in game money (aka influence) are the only things you get as drops. You don't have to pick anything up, it automatically goes to you when the villain is defeated. As I understand it WoW is a gear-centric game. If you don't have the good armor and the good weapon, you'll never win in PvP.

Character creation is also much, much more detailed then WoW. You design your costume completely. And there are millions (no exaggeration) of choices for you. From the body size (height and weight), to the face, mask, hair, chest logo, shoulder pads, ect. You will most likely never run into to 2 heros that look the same (unless they did it on purpose). You get more costume slots as you level up (for a grand total of 4), and you can change between them.
You can also go to the "tailor" and change your costume, when ever you like (and have the money) to do so.

Also fighting is extremely different. There is no kind of auto attack at all. You select the power you want to use after selecting the villain, and "activate" the power. There are different recharge time for your powers.
There are no "weapons" other than the powers you have.

The world is also a bit different. Where WoW is pretty much and open world with a few cases of instances, all of your missions (same thing as quests) are instanced. With the exception of the kill 10 [villain type] type missions. There are villains roaming the street.

These missions also spawn to the size of your team. So if you want to run solo your mission will be spawned w/ less villains then if you have a full team of 8 (the max size for teams).

Another big difference is how you get your missions. In WoW you have those funky "!" over people's heads to let you know they offer quests. CoH you are assinged "Contacts" You get your very first one when you get out of the tutorial, they show up on the map after you have received them so you can find them easily. And your contacts will introduce you to new contacts as you do their missions and level up.

One other difference with missions is you can only have 3 missions at a time in CoH as opposed to the 20 you can have in WoW. And when you finish a mission, you have to go back to your contact for another mission. But after you have done enough missions, you get your contact's cell phone number, and you can begin calling them when you are finished with your missions.

And there are no raids. Actually CoH doesn't really have much of an end game. Once you hit the level cap you don't have to many options after your missions have run out. But getting to 50 isn't ment to be a quick easy task. I feel CoH is deffinately one of those games that is all about the journey to 50. Doing your missions, learning about the world, and the villains in it. And of course playing characters with really cool super powers.

And well, that's my input for now. I'll leave the rest to everyone else here *grin*

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08/03/06 11:17

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

hey geno welcome to the site too!

08/03/06 11:17

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

Welcome Newander. You couldn't have come to a better place to get your first feel of CoH.

I have not played WoW but I did play EQ for 6 years before jumping over to CoH and then CoV. I would say that the one thing you will notice first as mentioned before is no loot, no uber gear camping, and no having to camp a spot for hours on end. While some say that is what makes WoW great I say that lack of all that is what makes CoH great. It is really just about getting together and taking down the baddies. The action is fast paced and nobody has to worry about who is looting what as you move through a mission.

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08/03/06 11:20

thejeni

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

Oh yes, welcome to the site, Geno!

So many people posted while I was writing my big long post *grin*

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08/03/06 11:20

Newander

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

Thank you all for such quick responses. I like what I hear, my only concern is PvP. I do alot of Battlegounds on WoW, and find it a fun way to pass the time when I don't feel like questing. What is the PvP like in CoH/CoV?

And I have to admit that you've all pretty much sold me on buying both of these games.(As much as I enjoy being a Hero, I love to be evil as well.)

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08/03/06 11:27

Geno

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

Thanks! I'm coming because I've beeen visiting the site for a while to hunt badges(160 now on Party Clown) and the network looks fun. Plus, the boards are down.

CoH has something different than rdais actually. It has taskforces, but these can be accomplished any time as long as you have the minimal level for it(see Taskforces on the left) and can take some time. There's also Hamidon raids at high level but I've never done it... The end game is fun since there's PvP zones and the arena(no "PvP server") and there's new archetypes available always.

The major part of my fun for this game is making original characters and costume, it's what I like to do most. You can see my characters from the link in my list. I like to find good stories EVEN if I'm FAR from a heavy roleplayer. When you're tired of a character, just make another! The content is varied enough that it's pretty different and ATs are different enough from one another.

If you're finished with CoH, there's always CoV which is the same system(expansion too after all) but feels VERY different. It's been 3 months since I got CoV(played CoH last summer and a little during beta) and the first month I played CoV liek crazy, played CoH for a month then I'm back to CoV again with a new alt.

EDIT: PvP is very fun. It's HEAVILY team-based. The arena is dead(I'm gonna suggest it should be cross-server) but the PvP zones are really fun(Siren's Call most often has players). But you need to join a team or make one to be more effective, especially if you chose support powersets. I got an empath and it really isn't good for solo PvP(but okay for PvEnv since I got Illusion Control, which rocks for solo) but when I join a team, people treat me like a god(nearly, no kidding) since I got useful support powers.

You'll have to see for yourself though.

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08/03/06 11:30

blackphoenix

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

Well, there are zones that are PvP zones. Basically it's another wide open area where villains can attack heroes and vice versa. There are different zones for different level ranges. You can enter any zone if you're too high for it, but you'll be automatically level adjusted down to the max level for that zone. It's not like PvP is the only thing to do there either. There are badges and quests you can do there as well as duke it out with each other.

Then there's also the arena. I don't know much about it as I've never done it.

08/03/06 11:32

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Plus, the boards are down.

i see how it is

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08/03/06 11:32

Newander

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

Is the PvP more based on player skills? In WoW a fight is determined by who has superior gear as opposed to gear. Are there any bonuses or rewards for PvPing in say, the arena?

08/03/06 11:39

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I have been looking into getting WoW, haven't actually played it, but I think I know enough to give you a bit of a comparison.

Jeni dont scare people with comments like that!!! We know you're only switching to WoW because its whats best for the community!

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08/03/06 11:49

Geno

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

Rewards should be badges for reputation(gained when defeating other players) and bounty in Siren's Call(more gained for defeating target player, or bounty) which allwos you to get good enhancements and inspirations. The zones also have PvE content where you can get temporary powers(a NUKE for example!).

It is based partly on skills, partly on powers and partly on team. Skills because you have to know how/when/why use your powers.

Powers for choosing the most useful ones. Some sets are better than other for PvP, some powers are REALLY bad at it, if you want to be REALLY good in PvP, you'll have to choose your powers accordingly, but that's only if you REALLY want to be good. There's very few powers I chose for PvE(and only use in it) that suck in PvP and the rest is all useful for PvP, some more than less, like any game! Some powersets/combinations are also much better than others, but it's possible with any to PvP.

Team because PvP is much easier in team and if you have good coordination and diversity, you can crush the opposition which are other teams.

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08/03/06 11:49

Newander

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

I'm sorry for all the questions, but before I spend money for the game, and cancel my WoW account I just want to get to know more of what I'm getting into.

Now, I have alot of RL friends who I play WoW with, less now because of some bad guild relations and RL conflicts. I'm going to try and get them to join as well, but until that point, I was wondering how hard it is to get teams for certain missions. Is there anything resebling guilds, where friends can be made and whatnot?

08/03/06 12:05

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

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I'm sorry for all the questions, but before I spend money for the game, and cancel my WoW account I just want to get to know more of what I'm getting into.

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I was wondering how hard it is to get teams for certain missions. Is there anything resebling guilds, where friends can be made and whatnot?

First off, Welcome to the Site!

As far as asking all the questions goes, if you ask one more we will ban you forever! J/K!!!

We are here to help. Please feel free to ask any and all questions, whether game related or not.

As far as "guilds", CoX has super groups. Each SG is made up of a maximum of 75 members, and has its own chat channel. Finding a good SG can be hard to do, but you can also make your own SG and build it up from the ground. If you decide to join, I have an SG that I have been a long time member of. We are ranked in the top 50 for the server, and would love to help you out. Also, on the Triumph server, the Gameampers have created 2 SG's, one hero side, one villain side. So you have some good options available to you right from the start.

Hope to see you ingame soon!

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08/03/06 12:22

Geno

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

Supergroups. You can get base if you have City of Villains. Recruiting is very easy(unless you got a theme... Lots of people don't like clowns :'() and they provide pools of player to play. Right now, honestly, the bases are just teleport/storage rooms and hard to get but VERY soon, there will be lots of improvements as the problems of the system have been acknowledged by Positron(a dev's nick but also a hero from the Freedom Phalanx).

If you want to try, get a City of Heroes/Villains trial. When I get home, I could maybe give you my friend trial code if I still have it. Get your friends trial code and register at the same time so you can all try together :)

Team are VERY easy to get. My SG is still small in CoH and so, I don't have an automatic pool of players. So, I play PuGs or Pick-up Groups. I have had only ONE problem because the leader chose a high level missions and I objected, was kicked and then everyone left and I took part of the team to reform. Only problem. Ever, in 6 months. Some people are traumatised of PuGs or just don't like taking part of one mission slowly so the group can learn to work together, but I don't mind.

Finding a PuG is as easy as putting your status on Looking for any team or broadcasting(for example): "Level 31 Controller looking for team!" (no 31 troller lft like some would do, looks too ugly...)

I also add people that are good/sympathetic/like(lots of people from Taskforces which I spent hours with) in my global friends list and with that, I just send them a tell(private message) after checking if they're around my kevek if there's any space for me in the team. In fact, most of my friends in-game are people I added like that for a bigger pool of people and after playing with them like this a few times, actually became friends.

I have a BIG villain SG on Virtue(The Hellfire Group) and it's always good to login and see familiar faces plus play with them if they're my level(OR you can artificially up your powers' level or them lower themselves. You'll learn that with time).

No problem with the questions :) I'm waiting for some calls at the job.

08/03/06 12:33

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

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Is the PvP more based on player skills? In WoW a fight is determined by who has superior gear as opposed to gear. Are there any bonuses or rewards for PvPing in say, the arena?

You'll find that superior gear in WoW is replaced by superior power sets here. Right now I'm playing both. Having a good crew to run with is a major plus here as it is in WoW.

Some differences that I can note(Some may be redundant).

Team size: With most of the early Dungeons your team size is limited to 5 players in WoW, it's 8 in CoH.

There is something to be said for the firepower of larger groups. But solo is more possible for a few AT's. Short of a few AV's and special missions, you can choose to run by yourself for a lot of it.

Mission difficulty scaling: As you increase team size, the size of the mobs will increase accordingly. There are also difficulty settings that you can adjust for your character specifically that also have a bearing on this.

Approximate comparisons:
Blaster = Mage
Defender = Priest(healing and shadow versions)
Defender = Shaman
Tank = Warrior (Protection spec)
Scrapper = Warrior (Damage Spec)
Controller = Warlock
I've never been able to compare a Pally to anything like what we have. Same for Druids. Those two classes don't have good comparisons on our side.

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08/03/06 12:42

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

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Is the PvP more based on player skills? In WoW a fight is determined by who has superior gear as opposed to gear. Are there any bonuses or rewards for PvPing in say, the arena?

I have played both WoW and CoH for over year and enjoy both. And I can say that PvP in WoW doesnt require superior gear. It does require adquate gear and a build that optimizes your survivability against an opponent. Epiced out characters could be taken down as the a Greened out characters. Its all in your build, your skill and knowledge. PvP in WoW you had purpose for doing it, rank, gear, and kills. But in CoH, PvP is well....ugh, boring....if you get into a fight all you do is eat inspiration and travel power out. At least in WoW you get in a fight you can use tactics to take yourself out of fight but you cant just eat inspiration (potions) over and over. Makes the fight seem more feasible (as possible fighting elves, orcs, trolls, and gnomes).

As in game....both are great. I played CoH 1st, it was fun when started.....fun now. The dungeons/instance you are used to from WoW are now your missions/trials and to an extent hamidon......as everyone else said no looting, no gear and no skills. Unfortantely in the world of heroes and villains none of this could fit in but I think it would be great if it did (but that is beside the point). I will try not to repeat most of everyones posting but each game stands out on its own but overall the game that brings the most in my opinion is WoW. There is a great deal of emerssion that occurs there, from being able to spend time crafting.....heavy PvP....and instances that provide fun, great loot.

You can run the same instance multiple times and never see the same gear and get the same experience. In addition the aspect of Guilds (Supergroups in CoH) have a purpose, especially in higher levels. In CoH, not so much, sure you can do an all SG Hami but hami is well.....boring. You can do mission which is fun but other than that SG is another chat channel, another costume, and an expanded friends list in all basic honesty. From WoW your guild can run instance, provide profession items, and work the PvP scene.

I believe you will enjoy CoH but you will see the larger differences. Slotting and placing enhancements in CoH is equivalent of plotting Talent points in WoW. Inspiration is like potions from alchemist. You do have money but its really hard to keep and earn to the later stages of the game. Especially when you earn your 2nd, 3rd, and 4th costume choices...unless you have free tailoring session it can get pricey.

But hope you enjoy CoH it is great game to play and will consume many of your hours like it does to all of us.

08/03/06 13:28

thejeni

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

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Jeni dont scare people with comments like that!!! We know you're only switching to WoW because its whats best for the community!

Well I wanted to let him know I hadn't played, but have read up some on the game, so I know a bit about WoW.

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08/03/06 13:55

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

One other thing I can mention. The character creator options. I got a little spoiled from COH when I started playing WoW. I got about 6 faces, hair types, skin and hair colors, etc.......

I know that you can change your appearance by upgrading your gear, I myself am a very stylish Warlock, and will choose what looks best if there is a descision about stats.

But in COH and COV the character creation screen is quite impressive. In all my time on this game, I've only seen similar looking characters if there is a theme based SG out there. You can really be unique in your character's appearance.

There are always different primary and secondary power selections I'd like to try, even though there isn't enough time to play them all. Some nights I just create test toons because I like the different looking toons I can create.

Not to knock COH, I still love this game, but it's very linear. It does not have the depth of WoW in tradeskills and commerce. That's not always a bad thing. Some times it's nice to just go out and pound on things, but you'll be talking to a contact, and going to beat up these thugs, then another contact, and those thugs. There is a need for strategy and coordinated efforts, very similar to what you previously experienced. Let the Tanks do their job, be carefull to not draw too much attention to your squishies. Strategy concepts you are already fully familiar with. It will give you an edge early on in the game to already understand the concept.

The real draw is the theme. Those who stuck it out like the graphics and the community. The fact that you started your research here is a good thing. This site is an exceptionally polite place to find out about the game. As is with the main WoW forums, The Main CoH forums are pretty hard on a newcomer to the game. The graphics are quite impressive even when buggy. And having the Y Axis added to your world will be an interesting change for you. You really should try out Flight as a movement power, but your original assesment was correct, it's the slowest movement power in the game. Still my fav though.(Wish my Warlock came with a broom......)

Here, you questions and requests for advise will be readily jumped on to offer you help, not announce your n00bness.

You picked a Blaster as your first toon......you must be OK. >^__^<

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08/03/06 16:03

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

WoW,EQ,diablo,D2 etc. they are all gear based and gold based games....and your spending your life on the computer without even knowing it...these kind of games are bad...coh/cov lacks all these things which is good! i played WoW trial for a while and i always was looking for better gear and equipment...or somthing and was always taking most of the loot becuase i wanted to get enchant amd look good with a glowing axe or sword
and it's hard to look cool in WoW..its rather expensive and extremely time consuming and frustrating and causes headeches becuae you dont have eanough gold for a certain somthing...i say bah!!! this is what causes addiction allot of times on most mmo's accept for coh/cov. So just ferget about mid evil mmo's unless you dont care about doing other things besides being on the computer -.-

08/05/06 16:46

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

i have one question to ask as i am curious on getting this game (coming over from guildwars) does it have a monthly fee, if so how much canadian dollars per month is it?

08/05/06 16:57

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RE: New player comming from WoW.

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i have one question to ask as i am curious on getting this game (coming over from guildwars) does it have a monthly fee, if so how much canadian dollars per month is it?

1st off Welcome to the site, Monk!

There is a monthly fee for CoH (and if you have CoV also, the monthy fee doesn't change). It is $15 american, which is CAD 17.52, a month

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