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I've been hearing alot about the scammers offering for example 20gp instead of 20k for a certain item. Then it happened to me though it was 19k I was scammed >_< (mostly because I was tired and in a hurry). Don't know if this has been brought up, but I was thinking about ways to stop the scamming.
My first idea is that when both you and the person your trading with click "accept" then a little pop-up shows up saying for example, "Are you sure you want to trade your 40 Platinum for (Person's Name)'s Ghials Staff?". Then you have to scroll down to the "Yes" button to accept completely.
I like how Anet "tryed" to slow down the scamming with the pop-up that comes up whenever the other player changes what they originally had offered, but its not enough. Unfortunately there will always be scams to go around, but if this update were put into the game I have a feeling it would help alot more.(As long as players don't rush through it)
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P.S. An auction house would most likely solve alot of this >_<
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| 08/09/06 18:26 |
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An auction house would require a delivery system which would be very difficult to design and still be within the law (due to warcrafts advanced auction system). But it would help alot with selling and such.
I support the idea of an auction house.
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| 08/09/06 18:31 |
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I'd like to know others opinions on this, so I'm gonna bump this a couple times
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| 08/09/06 18:54 |
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I really like your idea. Before fully accepting a trade, I think there should be some kind of scroll down menu or something that would force you to scroll down to finalize the deal. As I was typing this I stumbles across another idea. A text box that would pop up before the trade is completed asking you to type the trade. For example it would say "Type: I'm trading Itemx30 to Playername for XGold." And it would force you to type the exact phrase before being able to Trade. Kind of like when you go to delete your character. It forces you to type out the characters name before deleting. Something like that would significantly reduce the amount of scams in GW.
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| 08/09/06 19:04 |
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| QUOTE | | I really like your idea. Before fully accepting a trade, I think there should be some kind of scroll down menu or something that would force you to scroll down to finalize the deal. As I was typing this I stumbles across another idea. A text box that would pop up before the trade is completed asking you to type the trade. For example it would say "Type: I'm trading Itemx30 to Playername for XGold." And it would force you to type the exact phrase before being able to Trade. Kind of like when you go to delete your character. It forces you to type out the characters name before deleting. Something like that would significantly reduce the amount of scams in GW. |
I like your idea too, except for one problem. Some out there may not like having to type in everything that they buy. Say you just want to get a couple feathers from someone...well you gotta type it in. I like the idea of typing in what your trading, but others that rely on trading as their source of income (ex: buy low, sell high). It could be an option that could be turned off and on.
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| 08/09/06 19:06 |
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| QUOTE | | I like your idea too, except for one problem. Some out there may not like having to type in everything that they buy. Say you just want to get a couple feathers from someone...well you gotta type it in. I like the idea of typing in what your trading, but others that rely on trading as their source of income (ex: buy low, sell high). It could be an option that could be turned off and on. |
Well yeah, that should definately become an option should new techniques like these ever be implemented. That way if you get scammed, too bad for you, you should have payed attention. I know getting scammed is easy and I'll probably change my mind if it ever happens to me, but when you really think about it, who's fault is it? Yours. So yeah, new systems should be put in, but you should also watch the trade window instead of drinking your Diet Sprite or whatever. Lol Sorry if that was mean, but it is true... :/
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| 08/09/06 19:10 |
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it would be good to have an AH just like in WoW. Talk to a guy in LA, pay say, 50 gold to go to the 'city' (the AH), and you talk to a guy in the AH and you put your weapon on auction, then whenever it gets sold you talk to the guy and he tells you if it was sold and for how much. The guy gives you the gold, no scam. And you can travel there via boat, like you were going to Cantha or something, except it's an auction house. Hopefully, if they DO make an AH, it won't be a chapter-exclusive, i.e, anyone in prophecies/factions/nightfall can go there.
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| 08/09/06 19:12 |
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| QUOTE | | it would be good to have an AH just like in WoW. Talk to a guy in LA, pay say, 50 gold to go to the 'city' (the AH), and you talk to a guy in the AH and you put your weapon on auction, then whenever it gets sold you talk to the guy and he tells you who bought it, and for how much. And you can travel there via boat, like you were going to Cantha or something, except it's an auction house. Hopefully, if they DO make an AH, it won't be a chapter-exclusive, i.e, anyone in prophecies/factions/nightfall can go there. |
I like it, just not the having to pay 50gp everytime you go there. I'd pay it the first time but not everytime. Though to ensure that not many noob buyers/sellers are going there, I'd suggest having to pay 10-20k to get your "ticket" to the island. Only pay once though.
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| 08/09/06 19:15 |
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| QUOTE | | it would be good to have an AH just like in WoW. Talk to a guy in LA, pay say, 50 gold to go to the 'city' (the AH), and you talk to a guy in the AH and you put your weapon on auction, then whenever it gets sold you talk to the guy and he tells you who bought it, and for how much. And you can travel there via boat, like you were going to Cantha or something, except it's an auction house. Hopefully, if they DO make an AH, it won't be a chapter-exclusive, i.e, anyone in prophecies/factions/nightfall can go there. |
I like this idea a lot.
A LOT.
The 50 gold fee, though, would that be a one-time payment or would you do it every time you travel to the 'city'?
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| 08/09/06 19:16 |
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Just one time, and it would be nice if it unlocked the city for the rest of your account too :o
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| 08/09/06 19:20 |
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I like the AH idea but I agree with squallthat in order to prevent noobs pollutting the house with crappy goods or just being damn annoying you would have to pay like 5k for a ticket.
And if thats to much then I think that 2k would be a reasonable price. But 10k-20k is to much of steep price curve for alot of gw players.
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| 08/09/06 19:24 |
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Well it's a good idea. I could see it being run by the Xunlai Agents for example? And maybe instead of it being a special Island it could be in all the main cities? But it'd need to be away from the bank to avoid enormous crowds.
EDIT: You should maybe have to pay a one-time fee of 5K or so and it'd be unlocked for your entire account.
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| 08/09/06 19:26 |
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An Ideal I have, Is if they do an Auction house, they could have storage sort of set up (Kind of like Merchant.) and you can place your Item in there and submit the amount of gold you're wanting to sell it for. Then the gold gets taken outta of your inventory if the Seller decides you've paid a reasonable price.
So It would work this way:
Seller has a green item. He goes to the auction house and places his item up for sale, It is taken from his inventory and placed into an "idle storage".
Well, Then the seller can write how much they like to start the bidding, or how much they want it selled for no-matter what (Just liked a merchant, pay the price and it's yours.). And then a buyer can along, see the item (Like in a merchant menu) look at the price, (Kind of like the Dye traders and rare resources, before you can "buy" you have to refresh to check the current price/bidding. Well the buyer clicks that button and then is asked what his max bid is. He picks a number and then goes on his merry way. Well more buyers can do the same thing... At the end of the auction, the highest bidder can come to the auction house and talk to the guy again. This time, the money is removed from his inventory and the green (the item) is placed into his inventory.
Note: It can either work that way, or have the Seller have to decide which price he'd like to accept. And confirm he really wants it sold, or remove his item from the auction.
I think that would be an interesting way to set it up. I don't know how the WoW auction works. But this doesnt sound to much to ask. =3
Oh, the highest bidder would get a note, like a little box saying he's the highest bidder when he logs on. That way he knows, and if he lost it, It would say someone outbid you. Kind of like eBay xD
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| 08/09/06 19:29 |
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eBay yaaay! Haha, they should also add a Buy It Now ^_^
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| 08/09/06 19:34 |
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An auction house would work because thats exactly what they have in final fantasy xi online.
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| 08/09/06 19:50 |
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EDIT: I just noticed i said practically the same thing as Mimori, so if ya read his post, you can skip mine :P
| QUOTE | An auction house would require a delivery system which would be very difficult to design and still be within the law (due to warcrafts advanced auction system). But it would help alot with selling and such.
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My idea of an auction house is when the person puts the item up for auction, the auction house takes the item from them and stores it(just like it would a store). When the person actually sells the item, they get a message when they log on(or if their already online) and they go to the auction house person and get the amount of money they sold the item for.
For instance, lets say you put a rago's up for 70K....the auction house takes the Rago's(flame staff, btw), and lets say someone buys it, the auction house gives them the Rago's, and stores the 70K, the person selling it gets a message, they go to the auction house and pickup the gold.
Basically make it work like the auction sites, the only difference is it would literally be impossible to scam someone through this kind of system, as as soon as the person posts it in the auction house, they no longer control what happens to the item(aside from being able to close it before someone puts a bid on it). Same with the other end, the person buying it literally pays the auction house for the item, therefore the person selling wouldnt get any less then they wanted, and would never get scammed.
This system might sound complicated, but its really not, just when someone puts something up, it stores their name tied to that item, when that item sells, the auction house gets the persons name who was selling the item and basically leaves them a message.
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| 08/09/06 19:55 |
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once this topic starts to fade away, someone should send it to Anet...because I'm not too sure how to do any of that. Any volunteers?
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| 08/09/06 20:01 |
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I totally agree. Do they have a Support or feedback E-Mail address on their website? Maybe someone could send them the link. I'll do it if you can find me an E-Mail address and we have enough replies on here. I don't think 10 Signatures is enough :/
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| 08/09/06 20:04 |
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well i was just thinking about the ideas in it. I have an idea...gimme a minute
P.S. I'd send it in if I knew the email, but thats the thing I don't know where to find it
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| 08/09/06 20:05 |
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| 08/09/06 21:46 |
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Well, how about instead of paying for a ticket, Anet just limits the amount of items you can have in the auction at one time per account. That would help hold back alot of the junk spammers.
Let's say, max of 10 slots, you start with 1, and you pay 1k for the 9 other slots. Or 5 slots max, I could stand that.
And, it would be another incentive for people to buy more accounts which equals more money for Anet.
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| 08/09/06 22:12 |
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Great ideas folks! Cswella's especially...I'll be spamming cred for the 20 minutes left of the evening, then I'll be spamming cred for the morning (Arrrrgggg!)
I have a love/hate relationship with Guild Wars - I love it and she hates it! Such is the story of my life...
Actually nothing comes before my 2 girls - One is the wife and the other is only 8 months old. And I think I love the little one the most!
EDIT: I was called Mister Boy by a 3 year old today while waiting tables...what do I qualify for, for that?
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| 08/09/06 22:27 |
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Well, There are a few problems...Such as, What if you want the item back? What if you don't get how much you wanted? And it's pretty gay having to go to a city just to sell an item...What do you do when you find a bunch of good items and your no where near where you need to go to go to the Auction House? (hehe a lot of "to"s in the last sentence.
It would be nice if these questions were answered. Thank you.
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| 08/11/06 19:43 |
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| QUOTE | Well, There are a few problems...Such as, What if you want the item back? What if you don't get how much you wanted? And it's pretty gay having to go to a city just to sell an item...What do you do when you find a bunch of good items and your no where near where you need to go to go to the Auction House? (hehe a lot of "to"s in the last sentence.
It would be nice if these questions were answered. Thank you.
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As (i think) i said in my previous post, make it like the auction websites, allow the seller to close the auction if no one has bid on it.
Reserve Price: Basically, you set the minimum price you will let the item go for. If it doesnt go above this price than you get the item back.
Put an auctioneer in every major town. Ascalon, Lions Arch, Amnoon Oasis, Droks.....that way no matter how far you are in the game theres always at least 1 town you can zone to to sell something.
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| 08/11/06 19:47 |
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| QUOTE | Well, There are a few problems...Such as, What if you want the item back? What if you don't get how much you wanted? And it's pretty gay having to go to a city just to sell an item...What do you do when you find a bunch of good items and your no where near where you need to go to go to the Auction House? (hehe a lot of "to"s in the last sentence.
It would be nice if these questions were answered. Thank you.
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I realise your new, but we dont describe things as "gay " here on GA. I'm sure you didnt mean it as a slanderous remark, but we are a tollerant group here and welcome all to our community.
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| 08/11/06 20:38 |
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Another payment for usage idea could be that each item you sell you have to pay a auction usage payment of say 5%-25% of the purchase depending on how many items you currently have in the auction. It could stay at 5% for the first 3 items then go up 2% everytime. This would prevent a lot of spamming of items as people would be more likely to wait a couple of days then lose a lot of there earnings. The fee can be added to say a 2K ammount to open the account like pretty much everyone has stated to far :P.
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| 08/11/06 20:56 |
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i got scammed to, instead of 52k for a superior vigor i got 52 gold ><
i hate scammers and here might be the solution:
a-net should put a screen thing in the trade bar, that if you see the other person tries to scam you, you click the screen thing and a screenie will be sent to a-net
but sum ppl might spam it for no reason, so if you use it to much/ or something inocent , you lose 1k or you get a negative thing like a warning, and if you still put up inocent screens, then you get banned for a day.
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| 08/11/06 21:04 |
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| QUOTE | I like the AH idea but I agree with squallthat in order to prevent noobs pollutting the house with crappy goods or just being damn annoying you would have to pay like 5k for a ticket.
And if thats to much then I think that 2k would be a reasonable price. But 10k-20k is to much of steep price curve for alot of gw players. |
I completely agree. 2-5k range seems fair. Seriously, amassing 2k isn't that hard to do, but it helps keep people from posting hammers that do 8-12dmg and such. And really, the AH only needs to be on 1 island. Making seperate AH's for each city is tedious. It'd be nice to have all the items in 1 AH so you can go there and browse through everyone's wares instead of going from city to city to browse the wares. As for travel, that's what the teleport's for. You're never far from anywhere with teleport.
As for the trading "scam prevention" idea. I like the typing method more. Although, instead of typing out some long sentence, it should just be "Buy blash's whatever for x platinum and x gold? Type 'agree' in the field below." or something like that. I kind of do agree that there's only so much ANet can do, and really it does fall onto our shoulders to be wary of scams and to be diligent enough to make sure that we're receiving the correct amount and/or item.
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| 08/27/06 22:31 |
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My idea for scamming is somewhat diffrent. There could be some sort of title associated with your character. For example if you wanted to trade something for 5k, and got 5 gold, after the transaction there should be a prompt saying something like "Was your trade with "Name" as discussed?" And you can hit "Yes, everything went well.", or "No, submit proof to ArenaNet". If Anet reviews the screenie you sent in and determines that you were mislead or scammed, they can add a title to the scammer.
So this player not only has a tittle of Scammer, but when you enter trade it gives a warning. Something like "Warning: This player is known to be untrustworthy. Please be careful in trading with this player." Or even not let a Scammer title open trade at all. This title would have a time limit of a couple weeks, or even a month. Long enough for a scammer to move on to other games. Repeat offenders could be given higher titles.
Scammer (1)
Swindler (2)
Crook (3)
Fraud (4)
Con-Artist (5)
There could also be a way of runners being able to penalize droppers, and no payers.
I even thought of making a rating system after each trade. Kind of like eBays feedback system. This way the community of players handles the scammers instead of Anet having to do more work, but the problem is that could easily be abused.
This whole thing might not work because some people would think it would be cool to have one of these titles. -.-
Alot of people have suggested stalls, and Auction houses. Stalls will cause hundreds of afkers in eery outpost/city, and an auction house will just screw up the economy even more. I mean think about how many Totem Axes, Ice Breakers, Sskai Swords, and other overfarmed items will go up there. Most people can farm their own items with the exception of a few. I'll bet that if an AH went up thousands of "high tier" items will be in one place, and all the sudden nobody can sell it for high prices. It completely destroys the supply/demand model. I you can just go up to the AH for any item ingame, whats the point in playing at all. Just eBay some cash, and get godly. Or farm 24/7 if your "legit". I think by putting all the items together people will realize that it isn't really worth their cash to get items and they will go farm it themselves. The only real buyers will be established rich lazy people (or eBay kids).
All I see is, auction house goes up, and still nobody can sell things and people still complain. XD I think the trade system works well enough with the exception of the money scam. Its pretty hard to be scammed if your alert.
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