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Xaviak

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Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

So far, I've spent my points in Marksmahsip but for some time I've been thinking of switching to Beastmastery since currently my pets can't hold aggro that well.
I was wondering if it would be better to switch to beastmastery since I don't see the point of spending all my points in marksmanship if the mobs go after me like after 3-4 shots so it really doesn't seem to pay off. :S

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08/15/06 08:33

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

Beast mastery can be very fun,, but I think you should stay marksmanships. Or you could kinda do a hybrid build like half in marksmanship and half in beastmastery. One of the benefits of going full beastmastery is bestial wrath(sp?) Alright hope I've helped. Also,,not that it really matters,,but what kind of pet do you have?

08/15/06 08:39

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

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Yeah but the reason why I spent my point in marks. was because I thought I could deal wicked damage with ranged weapons. But that's kinda hard if the enemy is breathing down your neck and is too close to shoot. :S

I've also heard that bestial wrath 0wns especially in PvP.

About the pet: I currently have a cat (broken tooth). I also have a bear but I gave up on it since it wasn't that good for tanking as I've heard. sure it was tough but that didn't help since the mobs were hitting me instead of the bear. xD
I thought Broken Tooth would work for me since it had such a fast attack rate but meh, it's as lowsy holding aggro as the damn bear was. :/

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08/15/06 08:45

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

Feign Death and Disengage will remove agro from you. Your pet can also learn new ranks in growl which pulls agro. I went mark spec, and i was wicked in PvP. I don't hardly use my pet in PvP anyway. Most people know that if they kill you, your pet disappears.

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08/15/06 08:53

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

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Feign Death - Gets resisted quite often if fighting against light reds (those +3 mobs or so)

Disengage - A) Misses B)Gets parried or if it actually hits C) Doesn't remove enough aggro so that the mob will concentrate on my pet.

I already have the growls up-to-date.

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08/15/06 08:57

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

Quit fighting people over 3 levels above you. Feign death is my best friend.

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08/15/06 09:00

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

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Quit fighting people over 3 levels above you. Feign death is my best friend.

But the lovely XP....T.T
:P

Just noticed that I actually didn't have my growl up to date so it was somewhat my bad. :P

But still, I'd like to know the ups and downs of Beastmastery?

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08/15/06 09:06

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

Too lazy to make you a full guide...

so heres the talent build for BM
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classe...000000000000000

Just work your way up starting on the Beast Mastery tree. Beastial Wrath is a waste of a point. Frenzy is a must.

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08/17/06 00:18

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

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Thanks for that. ^^
So Spirit bond seems to be a no-no?O.o

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08/17/06 08:23

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

I used to, and still do a few times, play Guild Wars. My favorite character is Little Stringy, my ranger. I went all Beast Mastery to make my pet near unstoppable....well, still working on the unstoppable part in the WoW game, but it'll happen. Anywho, maybe Beast Mastery just isn't your style of play? I think of it as I did in Guild Wars: If you aren't going ALL Beast Mastery, then don't even hardly bother with it. Try going Marks/Survival. Sure, if you went partly BM, and a bit of Marks, your pet would be decent, but what happens when your tank (or lack there of) dies and they turn on you? Now half of your skill points are nearly useless.

My bottom line, if you can't seem to keep the enemies focused on the pet, maybe going a different direction would help you. Either all BM, or Marks/Surv, that's what I would do.

08/17/06 10:56

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

Honestly from experience, 99% of the BM tree is worthless. You severely gimp your damage output. You will always, always pull aggro off your pet. Simply put, Marks is your PvE raid build, Survival is your PvE(5/10Man) and PvP build. I loved my Survival build, I woud easily out damage mages and rogues in a 5man group, in a raid not so much. Marksman will give you more damamge in a raid simply because the fights are longer giving you more time to get your huge crits(2.7k easy on my hunter) and the buffs you recieve from your teammates outweigh the 15% agi you get from Lightning Reflexes. Basically by all means do not go Beast Mastery. The only points that should ever be in your BM tree are the 5 in Improved Aspect of the Hawk.

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09/29/06 02:05

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

Nothing to add to this discussion just want to welcome kyo to GameAmp, so without further ado...Welcome to Gameamp Kyo.

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09/29/06 08:22

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

Welcome to the site, Kyo Kenshin!

It seems you know quite a bit about hunters. I take it you play one a lot?

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09/29/06 10:45

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

0/21/30 FTW

My Build

EDIT: I am in an end game raiding guild.

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09/29/06 11:08

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

Hi, K!
Welcome welcome, want to teach me about hunters?
I know absolutely nothing about hunters! All those little dots on the map drive me INSANE! (I think its the OCD...) Anyway, Hi!

Common sense would say that you need a good pet so you can shoot hard no? Thats why your pet looses aggro because you dont have Improved pet stuff and your shoot too hard and do more damage than him/her....i could be TOTALLY off here...again dumb about hunters.

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09/29/06 13:26

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

Actually, it would be better to go Beastmastery at a lower level, then switch over to Survial or Mark. This way, at the lower levels, you won't keep pulling aggro from your pet. And when you get higher in levels, the mark spec is pretty good, while survial is good too. And at higher levels, your equipment is pretty good and just about as good as your bow/gun, so don't worry if it rushes you after a few shots.

Also, the main reason you have problems having your pet hold an aggro, it mainly because it's a cat. Cat's are more of the attacking type, not the aggro type. For an aggro pet, a very nice choice is a gator(crocalisk). Get one in the wetlands, and they're in Stranglethorn Vale as well. They can aggro very nicely. Basically anything with a high defense rating and armor tank nicely. Cats are awesome at PvP, especially against mages.

09/29/06 15:11

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

i have a 40 hunter... and my plan is to go BM till like 50 then switch to mark...

2 great things in BM tree are Intimidation. ( a 3 second stun that create alot of agro pull) and beastal Wrath... someone said that BW was a waist of a point... but i dont think so... it makes ur pet un fearable, pollymorphable for 18 secs... and also increases damage by 30 or 40% (can remem =P)

my pet kitty is a DPS machine... and i rarly have a problem with ago because of it.. 5/5 in frency and the 15% crt increase make him a shredder =)..

as for the dots... its is very helpful for watching enimies on ur map... i feel blind now when i play anyother class =)

and track humanoids is great for finding horde =)

if u have any other questions or need something cleared up... ask

09/29/06 21:46

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

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Welcome to the site, Kyo Kenshin!

It seems you know quite a bit about hunters. I take it you play one a lot?

Yes I have a 60 NE Hunter in a raiding guild, I actually play with NoGame.

Cyrix, that is a nice build, personally I stayed away from the imp raptor simply because we are most lethal at range. I see no point in upgrading my melee damage. The skills I went for in my original Survival build were for ranged damage and kiting ability.

I currently am in a MM build and have more points than I originally intended in that tree. I put points in anything that would up my ranged damage. This is my current build.

As for some critique on your build, I would personally go marks for a raid build simply because it will generate more overall damage on the run. I would lose talents like Savage Strikes and Imp Wing Clip simply because if you have to melee in a raid your tanks have failed. I would move those points into Humanoid/Beast Slaying. I would also move the points in Deflection into Imp Mark or Imp Serpent Sting for the same reason.

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09/29/06 23:31

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

I PvP more than anything, and those points are mainly to get enough in so I can move to the next tier on that talent page. Imp Wingclip is better than Imp Concussive, simply because it has a higher proc rate. In PvP, wing clip is a must, especially if it's imp.

EDIT: Plus killer instinct and lightning reflexes helps me more than trueshot aura, and in a raid, I hardly ever used TA.

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09/30/06 13:34

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

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Hmm, never thought of using Wing Clip in PvP, always thought it was a waste of time. But now I see it can really help, especially if it's Improved...

09/30/06 14:28

Kyo Kenshin

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

For PvP Imp clip all the way, I was taking it simply from a raid standopint, when I PvP I totally miss my Imp Clip, Deterrence, and Conterattack. They were my main escape routes and in PvP I'm lost without them.

09/30/06 14:56

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Yes I have a 60 NE Hunter in a raiding guild, I actually play with NoGame.

Ohhhh, so you are one of those "hard core" gamers, eh?

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09/30/06 22:31

Kyo Kenshin

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

Meh, more or less :)

10/02/06 12:48

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

While my main is a 36 rogue, I have re-rolled to play with a friend as a hunter. I am currently at level 26 with all available talent points in beast mastery.

I am also using a cat (Starving Mountain Lion from Hillsbrad, 1.4 attack speed). He has growl level 4.

I remember trying to hold aggro before however I noticed that both growl and bite were on auto... turn bite off. Leave growl on auto, and after marking your target with Hunter's Mark, let the cat get in AT LEAST 2 growls before wailing arrow after arrow on the mob. That'll definately do the job. The only time I lose aggro on the cat is when my friend (Shammie) comes in and starts hitting for crazy DPS :P

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10/06/06 17:44

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

I have nothing more to add to the convo, but I wanted to welcome fLaPjAk to the site.

Welcome to the site, fLaPjAk!

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10/07/06 02:54

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

Welcome Flapjack! Do you need a Waffle to go with that? *wink wink*

And there is nothing wrong with us "hard core" types! Sure we never blink nor pee and we have a strange twitch when we see the sun, but ya know, we all normal and good.

10/07/06 21:14

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

lol Drucila I love you.

Ok, whoever keeps saying that pets loose aggro REALLY easily, was either crazy, or I'm crazy... Cause I always had the EPIC pets. ;) First I had Rake, then I tried the White Lion, (I think it's "Echayakee) But he sucks IMO so at 24 I went to find Humar. After 6 hours I gave up and just stuck to The Rake. Then at like 36 I was really bored, in que for PvP, so I just ran over to Ratchet to see if I could find Humar while in que, as I was running up to the tree, I clicked on Track Beasts, and BAM, he was there! That feeling is so weird, his respawn time is SO LONG!!! So i got that toon to 41 and then my account ended. =(

BTW, after getting 1 Hunter to 41,(Marksmanship, Orc) and atleast 4 of them to 20 and a few to 12-15. (Hunter addict I know) I found that my pets always kept aggro, as long as growl was on auto, the thing was ALWAYS on my kitty cat. Even if I ran up and started to hack away, after a few slices he would turn and notice me, then just turn back right when the cat slashed at him again. I got 2 dwarve hutners to 20, one with a bear, and the other with a wolfe. Wolfes suck, period. They just plain suck, and they only meat so feeding them also sucks. But on my bear toon, I was beast mastery and I had Bjarn, the rare spawning Polar Bear in Dun Morogh. I also had the first few BM talents. (Stamina, thick hide, and fury) And it was nearly impossible to take aggro of of him, unless ofcourse I turned off his growl.... With that toon I was a poor twink (Full Defias, and a slightley good gun) and OMG HE KICKED BUTT!! I could own 19 warriors with ease. and They would rather have me get the flag than the warriors... so whoever said pets dont get aggro, O.o Did u take your pills today?? =) just kidding.

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10/18/06 21:24

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

hehe, I love you too cress!!!...what is up with all these breakfast food names though? Your name sure looks like cressant...or maybe im hungry...sitting in class in the wee morning hours of 11:00am....sooooo early....need food...

Anyway
Owl hold aggro like a champ, y'all should get one. Lots of armor and hold aggro really well. I think raptors hold aggro well too.

Just a thought.

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10/20/06 10:45

Kyo Kenshin

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

The current problem with pets and holding aggro is that they don't scale with gear. I get gear and my damage goes up, therefore I cause more threat. My pet on the other hand is the same as every other pet at 60th, regardless of my gear. So when I crit an aimed shot for 3k my pet loses aggro. My white damage is easily over 1k per arrow while my pet does a few hundred white damage, maybe. There is no way he can keep the aggro off me.

Until BC comes out, the best bet is to just not use your pet as a tank and just kite stuff. Currently my pet is a DoT with legs, I can get 1 feign off to give him aggro back before I have to kite mobs.

This problem will be fixed in TBC though, pets will scale with the gear you wear so they will be just as good as a tank(for you) at any level with any gear setup.

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10/21/06 11:54

Cyrix

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RE: Beastmastery or Marksmanship?

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All the more reason for people to say we're broken. Hunter 4 Life!!!

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