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I know this is a topic that might be a bit touchy with some, but I suppose it does not hurt to experiment. What do you think about it? Do you think it's true or do you think it's false? Are you sure or are you skeptical? Just put down your thoughts. If it turns out to get too nasty, I would ask someone to lock this and I shall never try it again.
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| 08/24/06 13:42 |
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i dont think its anything we have to worry about. hasnt the temperatue of the earth risen like 1 degree in the past 1000 years? i know its a small amount like 1 or 1.5 in a long long time. if thats the rate the planet is warming, then honestly, you cant really pin down what is causing it to warm. what caused the ice age? dunno, its all hypotheorhetical theories and conspiracies.
global warming wont affect me, my kids, my grandkids, my greatgrand kids or their kids after them. hell, i probably wont be around for my greatgreatgrandkids and their kids and their kids' kids.
i'm not meaning to sound trite, but it hasnt been warming significantly enough to make a great impact on my life. i sweat a lot anyway so 1 single degree isnt going to make me sweat that much more.
and sing, if ya tick people off with a topic like this, then there's nothing wrong with the topic. its a great conversation piece and i applaud the idea and award you with 9 points and may God have mercy on your soul.
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| 08/24/06 14:07 |
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I think GW exists, but am leaning toward it being a natural phenomenon rather than man-made.
This seems like a good place for a dialogue from one of my favorite movies:
This city is headed for a disaster of Biblical proportions. What do you mean "Biblical?" What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor. Real wrath-of-God type stuff. Exactly. Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling. Forty years of darkness. Earthquakes, volcanoes...the dead rising from the grave. Human sacrifice. Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria!
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| 08/24/06 14:07 |
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| QUOTE | | and sing, if ya tick people off with a topic like this, then there's nothing wrong with the topic. its a great conversation piece and i applaud the idea and award you with 9 points and may God have mercy on your soul. |
Aww...=D Thanks for that Big.
Well, I think I will put down my thoughts, but not now. Have to go swimming w/ a friend now. But I will edit this later. Keep those thoughts coming ampers!
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| 08/24/06 14:11 |
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Asking id Global Warming is real or not, isn't a touchy subject. Now had come out and asked something like, "Did the Holocaust really happen?" Now thats a touchy subject.
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| 08/24/06 15:20 |
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About a year ago I read State of Fear by Michael Crichton. If your not familair with him he wrote Jurrasic Park and is a writer for ER. He writes sci-fi books that have strong ties to fact. State of Fear centered on economical issues and on of the main aspects was global warming. After reading the book I really don't see global warming as a threat. The earth has been going throgh phases of slight changes in global temperatures as far back as scientists can determine. Its very hard for me to believe that what we are doing have signifigantly changed the earth anymore than it changed naturally before we were here.
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| 08/24/06 15:38 |
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It is a pretty political issue, and they can turn ugly. But apparently not yet :)
So let me give my opinion. I think global warming is a very real thing. And already effecting all of us. For a part I think it is a natural phenomenon, but that would be very slow. So humans are very more speeding it up. Unfortunately I see no solution. So I am really really worried about the future of our planet. I am sure the US could do a little less polution. Bush and his conmen are not really helping. But even if the US would care, India and China are growing at such a speed that any reductions will be minimal compared to the growing world economy. I have no idea where it will end ...
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I have no doubt at all that some very strange, bad things are happening with the weather in the world today. I'm not going to call it global warming, because I think that the cause of it is something totally different.
I'm not going to go into a lot of detail, but if you are intrested in how scary the world really is (and I'm not talking human's part, but Mother Nature's part), you should check out the Pole Shift Theory. And if you want to read some really scary stuff you should check out Graham Hancock's Fingerprints of the Gods.
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| 08/24/06 16:02 |
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Phed is absolutely right! This is a political issue, however my beliefs are that is the extent of the real issue. I have done the scientific research, I have looked very carefully at the arguments on both sides. I have determined that global warming is likely to not even be happening at all. There is some very solid evidence for the side against global warming, but I have found that the side supporting global warming has very little valid scientific fact supporting their argument; rather they base it on emotions and computer models (which can be amazingly faulty). I have a few articles below for those interested to check out some scientific facts.
http//:www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/
http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/cause.htm
http://www.junkscience.com/Hurricanes/
* http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=4 *
http://www.friendsofscience.org/documents/deFreitas.pdf
I did a research paper on global warming once, and I found our numbers to be amazingly small compared to natural causes of warming and cooling. The bold and starred link is the shortest one with lots of quick info in it. The JS/Greenhouse link also taught me alot about the greenhouse effect. Also, I thought I might reveal a hypocricy of Gore's in an article by USA Today.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/edito...ore-green_x.htm
Strange to hear this about the preacher of saving the earth, eh? Well, that'll be about all from me.
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| 08/24/06 16:14 |
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Here's the skinny, folks. Much like was formerly mentioned in this thread, we probably won't be around when "global warming" comes to a head. For that reason, I feel that people just feign interest in the topic because they simply don't have enough to do. Honestly, when you see people picketing, handing out fliers, or rallying together for a cause that doesn't benefit someone in the immediate or near future, don't you just think, "Get a freaking hobby." Global warming does exist - It's a scientific fact. However, the term has been adopted for something that it wasn't originally attached to, so now people question its existence. Global warming refers to the natural ebb and flow of Earth's temperature cycles. Now, whatever the rest of it is, I can't really say. We're hitting record highs in a lot of states this year, and it only seems to keep climbing...Something is obviously happening. Do I really care? Nope...Not a bit. If it destroys the ecosystem and leaves us all dead in its wake, then it just means that I don't have to worry about a retirement plan and social security. Silver lining, people... :)
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| 08/24/06 16:17 |
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Oh yeah. This is more than a theory. The earth's poles are always changing. It is simply a fact that this earth is not perfectly round because of these poles. True North is ALWAYS shifting. It is going to happen simply because the earth is always rotating, and I don't think it is something we should be worried about at all.
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Does Global warming exist? Yes, yes it does.
Am i worried about it? not really.
the deal is that the earth has two varying extremes that it is cycling through every ten thousand years or such. ice age, extreme heat, ice age, extreme heat, etc. so im not too worried this round.
All the pollution (yes i realized how cliched this is, but it is true to a degree. not as much as many enviornmentalists would argue, but it is still adding up) that we contribute is causing some problems with the Ozone or whatever, but im not gonna delve too deep into that because i am unaware of all the facts. All i know is that it is helpful to recycle wheneever possible, and if its within two or three miles (basically the whole town) ill just ride my bike there. not mooch a ride. although one wouldnt hurt.
lastly, i am saddened by the fact that the hydrogen cars/ solar cars/ whatever my science teacher told me was available for construction, is available for construction. but big oil has deemed that it wants to ride out gasoline for as long as possible. So far, i dont see any long term way for the public to battle this sort of monopoly, short of me starting my own business and having scientists make the alternative fueled cars and selling them. but even then, id probably get greedy and make the cars barely less than what the oil would cost. im a terrible person.
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| 08/24/06 22:12 |
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Oh yeah. This is more than a theory. The earth's poles are always changing. It is simply a fact that this earth is not perfectly round because of these poles. True North is ALWAYS shifting. It is going to happen simply because the earth is always rotating, and I don't think it is something we should be worried about at all. |
Not actually what I was talking about. More along the lines of South America is where Antarctica used to be. If you like to read, check out the book, seriously. It is a lot of info to explain, but the stuff that is happening with the weather is just the beginning. And we won't be seeing it get better.
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| 08/24/06 22:19 |
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Global Warming is indeed happening. Someone mentioned that the Earth has a warming and cooling cycle. That is true. We are in the warmer phase of that cycle. But the impact of humans is present. Greenhouse gases, of which most are generated by man, are accumulating in the atmosphere and preventing the energy emitted from the Earth to escape out to space. Instead that energy is being held within the atmosphere causing the temperture to rise.
Also of concern is the hole in the Ozone layer. Chloro-Fluoro-Carbons, or CFCs, break the O3 bond that is ozone. The Ozone layer is what normally protects us from receiving too much solar radiation, or insolation. With the Ozone molecules broken apart, an increased amount of Ultra-Violet (or UV) radiation reaches the Earth's surface. UV-A is the least harmful of the three types of UV radiation. UV-B is the stuff that gives you sunburns. UV-C is a type of radiation that is horribly damaging to living tissue. As the Ozone layer is damaged, more UV-A and UV-B radiation is hitting the Earth's surface, and UV-C, which was previously not found on the surface, can reach the biosphere. The increase in cancer among humans can be attributed, in part, to the increase in UV radiation in the biosphere.
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Global warming is real. Its a natural thing that happens and yes man is contributing to it. I mean at one point in history, the entire earth was covered in ice (yes, the whole thing) and slowly, but eventually the planet warmed back up. The earth goes through its cycles of heating and cooling. Will it really affect us? well other than maybe slightly more extreme weather (hotter summer, warmer winters and the occasionaly Cat. 5 huricane), don't think we will truely see its full affect for many many many generations.
My beef are the ones who rant and rave about "Saveing the Planet" and "We're destroying the Planet". . sorry to tell them but the earth was here long before we were and it will be here long after we are gone. I say forget saving the planet, Save Us!! and if that means saving the planet in the process, then thats just an added bonus. :)
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| 08/25/06 02:30 |
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I'll tell you the cause of Global Warming.... ME. Yeah that's right, me... Little old Red Scout. Wanna know why? I'm a freaking furnace! Its strange, I'll sometimes be playing CoH and my entire right side would be radiating heat for no reason at all. OH and don't get me going about how hot my feet get during the night sometimes... I'll have to put a wet washcloth on them just to be able to go to sleep. I sleep with a fan all night long just to keep me semi cooled.
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| 08/25/06 03:03 |
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i've done a little more research into this topic and this is the most foregone conclusion with the most scientific evidence that i could find. you'll have to judge it for yourself though.
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| 08/25/06 05:53 |
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| QUOTE | | I know this is a topic that might be a bit touchy with some, but I suppose it does not hurt to experiment. What do you think about it? Do you think it's true or do you think it's false? Are you sure or are you skeptical? Just put down your thoughts. If it turns out to get too nasty, I would ask someone to lock this and I shall never try it again. |
My perosnal feeling is that this is a normally occurring phenomenon, and nothing we are doing is affecting it one way or another. I do not believe that in ten years the world as we know it will end because of this, as some have theorized. In other words I don't expect to be waking up with water in my living room ten years from now.
As someone said, I DO believe this is a political topic, and only that.
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| 08/25/06 07:22 |
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My perosnal feeling is that this is a normally occurring phenomenon, and nothing we are doing is affecting it one way or another. I do not believe that in ten years the world as we know it will end because of this, as some have theorized. In other words I don't expect to be waking up with water in my living room ten years from now.
As someone said, I DO believe this is a political topic, and only that. |
Be it your personal feeling or not, it Global Warming is indeed happening. There is plenty of scientific research to show that.
Unfortunately, too many people see it as a political issue...and to some degree it is. Politicians are (fortunately/unfortunately) the lawmakers. As such, they have the task of regulating the production of Greenhouse Gasses.
As members of the general human population, we all should be concerned with the well-being not only of our fellow humans (who are definately inpacted by global warming), but also of our planet, which has sustained us for so long, and can continue to do so if we treat Her right.
And just to prevent any wondering, I am not a political activist (at least not on the environment). I am, however, concerned with how the human race is treating Earth, and the impact it will have on future generations.
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| 08/25/06 13:34 |
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| QUOTE | | There is plenty of scientific research to show that. |
If I may ask, I would like to see that evidence or a link to that evidence.
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| 08/25/06 13:41 |
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Unbeliever I see. It's okay. So was I until I took some science classes in college.
Links:
http://www.whoi.edu/institutes/occi/viewArticle.do?id=13366
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/index.htm
http://www.ipcc.ch/present/graphics/2001syr/large/05.16.jpg
http://www.ipcc.ch/present/graphics/2001syr/large/02.01.jpg
http://www.ipcc.ch/present/graphics/2001syr/large/05.24.jpg
http://www.greenfacts.org/studies/climate_...e/l_3/index.htm
http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming....tent/index.html
http://www.cmdl.noaa.gov/climate.html
http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads/env%5Fscience%2Epdf
http://www.wmo.ch/web/etr/pdf_web/926E.pdf
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/
http://www.ucar.edu/research/climate/past.shtml
http://www.ucar.edu/research/climate/warming.shtml
http://www.ucar.edu/research/climate/future.shtml
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalwarming.html
And if that's not enough for you, you can find plenty yourself.
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| 08/25/06 14:08 |
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I checked out the green house effect (?) from the Finnish Wikipedia and it said that the temperature has rosen 0.6 degrees (Celcius) in the past 140 years.
The thing is that the global warming has really started to take off in the 50's because people didn't know anything about global warming by that time and factories weren't so enviroment friendly.
I'm not a treehugger or anything but I think it should be taken way more seriously than just saying "Oh well, it doesn't concernt me" because that's the exact attitude that increases the global warming.
People don't think about it thus ingoring the fact thati if no one does anything about it, it's just going to get faster and faster. Especially now that things like cars are being used more and more. As far as I understand anything, cars and other thingies like that produce gases that can't get past the Ozone and other protective gas barriers that surround the Eart, so they bounce back to the earth and that makes the world warmer.
Things like that weren't dangerous 140 years ago because there weren't too many cars but what about nowadays?O.o
Just my opinion, please don't kick me in the head for it :P
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| 08/25/06 14:31 |
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An interesting topic.
One I have my own thoughts on. The variance of the average tempurature in recorded mankind history is very slight, but this is a dramatically dynamic planet. Fossil records from tree rings and core samples from Antartica have opened our eyes a bit about the fact that this stable tempurature we have enjoyed for so long is definately not the norm.
The whole concept of drastic overall tempurature changes is a natural phenomenon. What has changed in that is never before in the planet's long history has there been a species on the planet able to effect such drastic environment changes. Stripping thousands of acres of forests that buffer the changes, and emitting tons of extra chemicals and waste prodicts into the air. Not unique elements, just more of them than the planet naturally does on it's own.
Just as an example, and this is not one of my usual smart ass comments about stuff like this:
There were actual studies of how much methane gasses that cattle produced thinking that it would have an effect on global warming. Everyone associates Cars and industry with Global Warming, but the fact that cattle do not exist in such large numbers in the wild implied that by raising large heards, we were in fact introducing extra methane gasses that also contribute to global warming.
OK, Now lets take this concept back 65 million years. Imagine, just before that big meteor struck the planet, huge heards of Dinosaurs roaming the continents as they were.
There sheer mass would imply that they too would strip thousands of acres of trees and vegetation yearly. Watch a special on elephants one night and see what they can do to a forest. Small potatoes compared to what those big herbavores were doing.
Now think about the methane herds of those creatures emitted. I imagine that when the meteor hit the planet, the first fireball was probably quite impressive.
Yeah, I made you read all of that and it still ended with a flaming fart joke........but my point is serious.
And if any of you are really worried about global warming. Read the stuff about the pole shift. Another Global, natural event. It makes global warming seem like a pretty survivable event in comparison. It's also something we have absolutely NO control over. When it happens, the fecal matter will hit the rotary oscilator.........
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| 08/25/06 14:46 |
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I just found a new link about recent research done. Check it out
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| 10/13/06 08:09 |
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I think that it is naive to think that we do not have an effect on the planet that we live on. The temperature of the earth has risen by at least 3 degrees in the last 150 years. Glaser in the north are reseeding at an unprecedented rate. I cannot believe that this is just coincidence.
Is it a political issue... Yes..
Do the politicians that make it a political issue actually care about it... No.( With a few exceptions of course)
Mostly they use it as a way to gain credibility for their re-election.
Is it something that we should worry about... Absolutely!!
It is a fact that the temperature of the earth has risen, and that rise in global temperature has contributed to the strength of pacific storms. it is a fact that we are now bombarded by more solar radiation than ever before in mans history due to the ozone layer depletion.
The sad fact is that we will probably never see the full ramifications of this warming trend. But our children will. And they will have to live in this world that we leave them.
P.S. I offer no answers on how to make it better. I only call it like I see it.
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Umm, you might want to check your facts, whoever is above me. The ozone layer has been making an enormous comeback since the 70s, a time when humans were putting lots of stuff into the atmosphere (but nature still puts WAY WAY more, remember that). The effect of our carbon dioxide is minimal, I did a research paper on that very subject once. The ozone hole over one of the poles, I forget which at the moment, has filled up again.
Insolation, if you read the link I posted above you, causes cloud cover, and cloud cover acts like a blanket. This blanket does not "trap" or "reradiate" any of these gases/heat, they eventually escape into space. There is no such thing as "reradiation", because once heat has used its energy, it either transforms into kinetic energy or potential energy. It cannot stay the same.
This "warming trend" is nothing unusual or out of the ordinary, and you should read some of the links I posted way up there. There is alot of scientific evidence going contrary to this fiasco, but politicians and political organizations working under the name of "Scientists" are selecting data which go in their favor, pointing to unreliable computer models, placing heat monitoring stations in contaminated areas (heat islands, which can be MUCH MUCH hotter than surrounding areas), and only going back about 100 years or so, ignoring the data beforehand. I am not denying that there is some warming, of course there is. No one can argue against the fact that climate IS ALWAYS CHANGING. In fact, that is the only constant about climate. Heating and cooling periods have been cyclical ever since earth started, and it will always be cyclical regardless of what we are doing. I am simply saying that you should check out other possible sources of warming before you go blaming yourself for the eventual destruction of the planet.
The Kyoto Protocol, if it goes through, will spend about 1 trillion dollars to do practically nothing, except put more control over the citizens of the United States and other countries, which is exactly what politicians want. Carefully examine other sources of warming and look at some data before the 20th-21st centuries, and then decide whether Kyoto would be worth it or not. After all, it's not science if only one argument is observed, it's politics.
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| QUOTE | | I'll tell you the cause of Global Warming.... ME. Yeah that's right, me... Little old Red Scout. |
Actually, Red, I can prove you're not the cause. See, Mr. Internet-inventor himself, Al Gore, is a major champion of the global-warming movement. That can only mean one thing, the cause of global warming is.....
MANBEARPIG!!!!!!
I can't believe noone brought that up before.
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I posted some new vids in my blog about this very topic. Check them out.
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Either way - here in Ohio we could use a good 5 degree increase year round. Its always a little cool in the winter anyhoo.
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| QUOTE | | QUOTE | | I'll tell you the cause of Global Warming.... ME. Yeah that's right, me... Little old Red Scout. |
Actually, Red, I can prove you're not the cause. See, Mr. Internet-inventor himself, Al Gore, is a major champion of the global-warming movement. That can only mean one thing, the cause of global warming is.....
MANBEARPIG!!!!!!
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I dont know what a manbearpig is, but as a proud member of the Colbert Nation, I wouldnt be surprised to hear that bears were the cause of global warming. It is very important that eveyone remembers the #1 threat to america-
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There once was a genius with razors
With claws, he was a trail-blazer
He hit level 50
I thought that was nifty
So I called to say "Gratz!" on my Razr
--- Crookwood
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