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Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

Since I finally got my Canthan necro to the Ring of Fire mission, I decided to give it a go. It had been a while since I did the fire islands missions anyways.

But 45 minutes of people just wanting a minion master got me a bit frustrated. Spamming "Degen Necro LFG Mission+Bonus" with no invites got me boiling, especially when 3 PM's asked me to reset to MM and they would invite me. :( We do more than just produce minions...

So to prove my case (Mission and Bonus):

I feel stereotyped. :(

/sits to cool :p

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09/02/06 23:11

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

You're absolutely right. Necro's are a lot more than just MM.
Sadly a lot of ppl in GW discriminate against certain builds by stubbornly sticking to what they know, and MM is the most common Necro build.

This happens to most proffessions at some point because ppl like to stick to what they know and feel safe with.

09/02/06 23:19

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I feel stereotyped. :(

/sits to cool :p

I agree a SS can be far more effective than a mm at times .......

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09/02/06 23:26

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

That's actually a very similar build to what I did that mission with. In my opinion, MMs become worthless after THK, and SS or blood builds are much more useful. It is extremely difficult to keep minions alive against mursaat, plus all the walking through lava and the towers and things, it just doesn't work. Then you have hell's in which there are a sum total of zero corpses (do sparks leave corpses? I know regular titans don't). I have told many an MM that while in Hell's, it makes me laugh to see them trying to get in a group there.

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09/03/06 00:02

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

SS's are very good. but yeah there are not very many popular Necro builds.

Anyway fight the power! kicking enough ass with different builds and things will change.

09/03/06 00:07

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

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Sadly a lot of ppl in GW discriminate against certain builds by stubbornly sticking to what they know, and MM is the most common Necro build.

This happens to most proffessions at some point because ppl like to stick to what they know and feel safe with.

yeah thats a problem that, unfortunately, we all have to live with. Luckily for me when my bspiker joins a group, most of the time the leader will ask me if I'm a MM and I will tell him/her no and they say ok and keep me in the group, sometimes without even asking me if I can switch builds.

Although, what I don't get is why a person would ask a necro with a blood build who has runes and armor based on that build and not some other build to switch to a build based on death magic.

09/03/06 00:41

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

first of all, i have to agree, beside i dont have a necro at all, those quotes, like "change ur build to MM.." r a day base situation that we all see and criticize.

.. but my main reason to reply to this topic is because i now have in my mind the idea to make a Necro xD and i'm trying to get some good reasons to make one..

is it fun overall ? (playing all game)

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09/03/06 00:56

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

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It's a load of fun. :) Next to monking, its my next favorite thing to do in GW. The build you see is one I toy around with in PvE, but in AB's, them touch rangers avoid me.

I remove blood ritual, rez sig, and well of blood for: imagined burden, images of remorse and archane echo. Them touchies won't make it to you and avoid you or target you as a whole. :p

09/03/06 01:14

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

Personally, I dislike playing a Minion Master in general, especially since they're so bloody common. My Necromancer DOES use a Death Magic build, but she's a nuker, and I've found myself having a much easier time in most areas than I ever did as a Minionmancer (the build I use is in the guides section under the title PvE N/* Icy Veins Deathnuker if you're interested and haven't seen it).

Its especially pathetic when people want Minionmancers in areas where its effectively impossible to create or maintain minion armies, such as in the last 3 missions of the Prophecies campaign (in Hell's, the Risen Ash Hulks and Sparks of the Titans are the only things that leave bodies and in the other 2 the minions die quickly to Spectral Agony), in Unwaking Waters (no bodies around Kuunavang to make new minions and she kills them easily), in Raisu Palace (the Shiro'ken Elementalists devastate minion armies in most cases), and in Imperial Sanctum.

Basically, people only want MMs now because that's the only thing that most Necromancers play and they've never seen anything else, and most Necromancers only play MMs because that's the only thing people want. It's a vicious and stupid circle that will probably only be broken with the advent of Nightfall, if then.

09/03/06 01:14

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

I see alot of groups asking for MMs but I see almost and I said almost as many asking for a SS Necro. People tend to form groups consisted of classes that were successful in other missions that they played. Thats why most want two tanks, two monks, MM, SS, and two nukers. Thats what I see the most. I guess thats why I play it all with henchies. People tend to stick with what they have seen work previous cause they can't stand to lose a mission and they think thats the only way to win one. I don't care to lose and by taking the henchies I'm safe to say my whole party doesn't care, its all fun. I mean its not just cause your a necro and not a MM try going there as a Rit thats a MM and I bet even though they are looking for one they wont take you cause most think Rits can't MM. I done both games with my Rit as an MM and your right they can't spawn minions from titans but all you nee is one corpse to get a flesh golem but you can slightly change your MM and still be very helpful in those areas. I do feel for you problem which is why I stopped playing with pugs.

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09/03/06 06:24

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

Blood Support i.e. Bippers or order necros are effective throughout the whole game.. I don't understand groups who prefer MM's over blood necros if they have a few nukers .. Blood support FTW

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09/03/06 06:57

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

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Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

Yes, in EoE bomb they can also be a backup solution if no mesmers are around.
They die pretty well too.

09/03/06 07:26

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

Blood all the way! Blood magic can do tonnes of damage to single or multiple targets, even more than an ele some of the time :)
And yeah mms are too dam common and I cant understand why people would have their characters set up for only one build!
All my characters are completly multi-purpose and can use all the well known builds + more :)

09/03/06 07:35

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

Yeah i use to just do MM when my necro was starting out but I have become to hate MM I have swithced to SS and i love it its so much fun. Degen is my next stop for my necro and then im going to go for the icy vains build.

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09/03/06 08:27

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

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Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

Yes i get pretty tired of that to, i find ss necros/degen/support relieve much stress on the casters damage the enemies etc, I'm hoping now that Nightfall is close to releasing, that the team make up will change a bit, because with the way teams are now there's no room for the dervish and paragon >:O so lets hope for the best and lets hope that people learn that the mm build isnt the only build that works inn teams.

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09/03/06 18:30

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

I solo'd everything from Yaks to Bloodstone Fen as a MM when I first made my Necro, at lvl 15 I could run 25 minions (I had all the skills unlocked from a diff char I think).

Once Factions came out I stopped playing MM because now it sucks, 10 minions! What a load of danglies!
Now I only play MM for certain missions wjere it really is the best thing to run.

As for MM in FoR missions you've got to ask why. Jade's don't leave bodies, fire kills minions at double quick rates and Titans got through them like butter. A Blood or Curses Necro however can stand up against pretty much anything.

This is another case of people not understanding a character or not being open to different ways of doing things.

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09/03/06 20:04

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

I agree also :) I hardly use MM any more, then again, I dont really have a nec right now ... caus I dont have that account any more. But there were plenty of times I did not MM with it! :D glad to see you did somthing about it!

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09/03/06 20:30

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

The common MM is too boring for my taste... Too laid back...
Bone Minions + Death Nova, now we talk :)
Blood support is hella fun, fits my style just right. Not directly damaging but behind the scene it's a huge thorn in the opponents' side.
SS is fun too, unfortunately with the current 5 man SF farming, it seems to foster arrogance.

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09/13/06 10:28

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

Your right i also like bip necro's ss nuker and tryng feast of corruption builds (still working on it :P)
most ppl dont understand the effeciency of other necro builds since the mm is more commercial.

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09/13/06 10:36

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

I don't mean to be rude, but after 30 or so minutes, couldn't you just..switch to a MM for the sheer ease of it, those people were being kind offering to let you in..

Now if you're a factions character that makes it more acceptable because of the lack of skill availability (for the poor).

Edit: Just to clarify, I don't think degen is bad, especially in the ring of fire, cos fire owns minions doesn't it? and don't half the things on those missions not leave corpses? Im just saying you could have spent 45 minutes doing something more productive.

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09/13/06 10:43

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

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Minion Masters are useless in those missions after Iron Mines, Nothing really leaves bodies. Granted the group could have been nice, but in the long run when you had no minions due to degen. They wouldnt have been to kind to have the necro sitting there with 1 or 2 minions.

In all honesty I usually run SS/Interupt on the last mission due to the Spark of the Titans, Rodgorts Ingorvation which usually will spike the group of henchies I do the mission with.

I tend to find Well Necros better in Cantha, I dont like running Minion Masters, they get irritating -__-;

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09/13/06 10:55

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

Necromancers are one of the most versatile in the entire game. I have several builds that i use for several occasions; going from mm till what i call a "payback" necro (still in testphase though).

To come back at an earlier statement that minions become useless after THK: with the proper management they still pwn. I have done every single mission with mm (and bonuses i just used merely hench) and fire never had been a problem.

Anyway; necros are stereotyped which is a shame, since the profession is so much more then that.

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09/13/06 11:15

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

^^ I agree my necro is by far my most versatile characer. I can play her as an Echo SS, Battery/suuport, Order of pain/Vamp, Minion master, Minion bomber, degen, 55, and nuker.
Also there are very few farming groups that don't want a necro of some sort, tombs (SS or MM and orders), Sorrow's furnace (MM and or SS), Armory green farm (SS and MM), Sunreach farm (SS), Urqoz warren (Bip, MM and or SS), The Deep (SS/BR), Fow (SS, Bip), UW (SS/SV) etc, etc....

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09/13/06 11:32

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

I think just about every class is pigeon-holed into some sort of stereotype by the mass of players. It's a total shame, really, since there's SO MUCH you can do with any class. It really shows how people are unwilling to think outside the box.

Just last night, my Survivor-titled Mesmer was booted out of a Nahpui mission by her group (they wiped miserably- pulls were bad, I have no idea what the monk was doing- AFK I guess- that sort of thing). I was rather miffed since using Shatter Hex on the tanks was a great help, but, the leader felt I was a drawback since I didn't nuke, heal or tank. Went back in and henched it instead :-P

My Monk has been played as straight heal because that was the only way she got groups :-( Since that happened, I have steadfastly refused to set my Rit up as Resto for pick-up groups- I already have a full healer and I don't want to play another one when I'm on my Rit. I think my baby necro MMing is fun for now, but when she's doing higher level content I'll probably switch over to Blood and I'm sure I'll get flack for it too.

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09/13/06 11:48

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

I totally understand. Actually I want to try to make a wither necro build which i think looks interesting but i need to go to the fire islands and cap it :/

09/13/06 11:49

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

you guys should remember theres other curses skills besides ss...and they work well too (try playing a curses spike)

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09/13/06 11:59

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

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I totally understand. Actually I want to try to make a wither necro build which i think looks interesting but i need to go to the fire islands and cap it :/

You can cap Wither from the last boss during Protect Droknar's Forge, also during Protect... err... Protect... Darnit, that elite mission outside Lion's Arch...

09/14/06 14:43

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

Hmmm, well i used an echo/ss build on all of factions and didnt have much trouble finding groups.

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09/14/06 14:50

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RE: Necromancers are MORE THAN just Minion Masters

wats that build ur using there called
i wanna change from mm to something new

to me mm is boring
1)get 10 minions
2)spam botm

09/16/06 21:21

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The thing is, alot of the lower level missions and quests are GREAT for having a MM with Fleshie because most of them drop corpses. As you go to the higher level Missions the IQ of the players usually increases, and they are more tolerant to different builds. I always keep MM and SS builds handy.

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