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ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

victos bulwark,, its 3 steps in front of me,, im going for it,, bamm,,, lag,, error 7,,, this is really rediculous now...

EDIT: before any of u going into " is ur connection ok?", it is, so dont bother,,, im hear to express my anger in a formal way since there is no r/r

edit 2: im fuming atm

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09/05/06 18:06

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

wow how dumb/bad luck. Just think of it like "at least it isn't worth 100k anymore". I was farming SF and Bortak dropped his Cesta (when it was worth alot). I looked at it astonished that the god of GW actually decided to show me some mercy. I picked it up and less than a second later the entire GW server got kicked. That was the only time I've ever been that lucky (best drop I've ever gotten too >_>)
Sorry for your loss though
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09/05/06 18:15

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

You're not alone. Although I feel for you, we've all had some experience or so of that nature.

We've had them. I even had one just before we killed Lich in Hell's Precipice (my first attempt ever). I had to redo the mission again. :)

But thats life or as the French say: "c'est la vie".

Move on, it's not the end of the world.

09/05/06 18:19

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

thats not bad as me when i got Victos Bulwark and an Elswyths Bow in ToPK and i died right at the end b/c monk didnt heal me. To make it short, they waited there for my 2 greens to be open and they ran for them.....that was when the greens were worth way more...im still mad at that monk.

09/05/06 18:21

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

spent half hour waiting to form a group for iron mines of moludune, only to loose connection in first 3 minutes.

09/05/06 18:24

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

back in the day when I did barrage groups, everybody except for me died ... all the Darknesses had died, and all the greens were on the ground. I was the only one alive, I ran away from the aggro, slowly made my way back, and ressed every one of them, and let them get their greens when I didnt get anything. Before me lay the Bulwark, Battle Axe, and a bunch of other high priced greens. Needless to say, I was pretty pissed, it was like the 6th time in a row that I didnt get any greens, yet I would never cheat someone out of their rightful drops. Sorry to hear about your err7, I think anet really needs to take care of this problem very freaking soon.

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09/05/06 18:24

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

for me gw is quikly becomeing more hassle then its worth. im starting to think they got to many people for there servers to handle but there just to cheap to get new/more

09/05/06 18:24

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

Since I figured that us spending 50 bucks every six months would be like spending 9 bucks a month to play the game. I wouldn't mind paying 9 bucks a month, and maybe 20-30 for each expansion. Only thing is that the expansions would have to be ALOT bigger than Factions for them to bring in any customers/revenue. Hopefully they'll figure out some way to counter the feared err7 without charging monthly for a bigger server, until then good luck to everyone.

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09/05/06 18:34

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

Ehm, correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't Error 7 client sided and thus the problem lies with the player and not Anet?

Edit: and for the love of god, quit bashing Anet.

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09/05/06 18:41

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

the ones *(like i keep getting) are just eror-007, thsoe are server side, the ones that are client based, are like error=007-23456

09/05/06 18:45

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Edit: and for the love of god, quit bashing Anet.

true in that, but there are kind of two nasty sides of this coin lol. and well, one isnt prettier than the other. If anet doesnt do somthing about the server side issues, that is just as bad as someone bashing them. Maby Anet just needs to hear it, but in a nice way. I am not a fan of bashing my self, hence I think there is a diplomatic way to handle this instead of raging out. I think you all know what I mean ;)

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09/05/06 18:48

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

Within the past few days I've seen many cases of err7, err13, and err15. It's not just you.

09/05/06 18:49

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

Yes, I'm quite tired of people saying 'don't bash Anet' when it's obvious Anet have some serious problems. Of course, I've just gone through two weeks of intensive evalulation of my computer only to find that it's nothing in my drivers, hardware, or so forth that is causing the problem. But some certain people refuse to believe apparently that a program can cause problems. Ha ha ha!

All the lag, all the freezing, all the problems people are having should have been fixed long ago. I am grateful to Anet for the game and all, but I'm not grateful for their dismissive attitude (and the same attitude of certain fans who are all too quick to attack the people who criticize Guild Wars or Anet, albeit intelligently) and the fact that they've done literally nothing to alleviate the problems to which they've been alerted.

Just saying 'stop bashing Anet' to everyone who has a grievance with them...and a deserved one...is becoming more irritating than the people who are genuinely bashing them, which this was not. He made a valid point and a valid suggestion, that they please address the oustanding issues that have been outstanding for some months now.

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09/05/06 18:58

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

If we dont bash A-Net then who gets the bashing? Blizzard?

09/05/06 19:09

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He made a valid point and a valid suggestion, that they please address the oustanding issues that have been outstanding for some months now.

agree

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09/05/06 19:16

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

Yeah, and in my opinion, what could be worse than an Error 07 in front of a item or in the middle of a mission/PvP.

Theres a new error also, i think its 14 (7+7=14?)

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09/05/06 19:18

Reuyl

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Couldn't have said it better, you're 110% right about this!

+cred

09/05/06 19:23

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

I've never gotten an err=7
but
I've never gotten a good drop.

I guess they balance each other out.

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09/05/06 19:37

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

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I agree, but there is a big difference between server-side error codes and having the game freezing on you. Freezing is 99.99999999999999% of the time a problem on your computer or compatibility issues between the game and your hardware or drivers. Yes, an app can cause problems, but hard-locks come from your drivers or hardware (possibly caused by a game's code, sure, but a well-written driver shouldn't hard-lock...in a perfect world). It's fair to criticize ANet for server-side issues or flaws in the client software (if they're persistent and occur often), but it's not fair to blame them for problems with your hardware/drivers or your connectivity issues with your network hardware or ISP.

I personally only get about 1 err=7 per 500 hours of playing (approximately). A lot of the err=7's people get seem to be caused by their ISPs or things like packet loss from wireless networks (a friend of mine gets err=7 every time his neighbor's cordless phone rings because of his crappy wireless network). A guy I work with has problems with all online games because of packet loss and connection resets in his DSL connection. At first he though it was ANet's fault as well, then I started running traces between his computer and one of mine (across town). I found connections getting reset all over the place, which you wouldn't notice surfing the web, but some game servers thought they were losing connection with the client. Bam -- Err=7 every few hours because of his ISP. Again, I'm not defending ANet, but let's place the blame where it belongs.

I'm not saying that ANet doesn't have problems, but I am saying that a lot of problems that people blame on ANet may not be their fault.

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09/05/06 19:38

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I could not agree more ... In my opinion being afraid to bash Anet a little for their problems is just as bad as being afraid to say somthing because it could be considdered "Flaming" ... My message to everybody, buck up, If anet is having problems, dont brown-nose them just caus were an "official" fan site. If anything, they should be taking our complaints more seriously! I have never advocated complaining about this and whining about that, but when there is a definite problem, someone has to voice it! and to shut them down again, just caus of fear to speak up, I think that is sad. However, I can understand why the staff acted as done. So often have people bashed anet caus of uppdates and things they didnt like about a patch etc. It is easy to over-react and have a "dont bash at all" attitude. I do however think it is important to always look at both sides of the story before opening ones mouth, or in this case typing.

thank you for being so blunt about this, and so clear!

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09/05/06 19:58

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

All I gotta say is I REALLY think it is NOT Anet that is causing all these errors. Personally I havnt had a 07 for at least a month or 2. Last time I recall getting one was when someone I new was DOS'ing my IP, not enough to mess up my browsing, but enough to disconnect me outta games. A quick switch of IP's and I was good to go.

All the recent trouble i've had with GW has been related to my computer.(A few random restarts here and there)

That being said, I am getting tired of all these posts bashing anet about the 07 issues. I personally havnt had any in quite some time, therefore I say its something to do with your connection, not theirs. Nor have I had ANY lag.....

Besides, most of the people who complain about this stuff dont know the first thing about what could be happening. When I say that it has something to do with your connection, that means it could be at your computer, or ANYWHERE between your computer and your ISP. Sure there might be a few instances when theres a problem between Anet and your ISP, but its a LOT less likely then something going wrong between your ISP and you.

EDIT: I would also like to remind people that this is a PC game. There is so much different hardware and software out there, its nearly impossible to make software that will work flawlessly for everyone who uses it. Sure it might eventually be that way, but it takes quite a while because they cant test it on every single persons computers.

This is also why I like Mac's, sure they dont do well with games, but Apple makes all the mac hardware and software, therefore it leads to a LOT LESS compatability issues.

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09/05/06 20:05

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

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I certainly agree with this. The only problem is that I spend a lot of time lurking around game hardware/tech forums, and people have a tendency to point fingers first and troubleshoot later. Still others have perplexing issues that are difficult to solve, so they just give up and blame the game developer. I have no problem with holding a company accountable for their problems (in fact, I'm first in line when something stinks), but just make sure you're pointing your finger in the right direction before you start a smear campaign.

If, in fact, ANet is pushing their infrastructure too far (which is possible when it comes to the dropouts - not the freezes, and even the lag can easily be attributed to network traffic), then people have the right to cry foul. Unfortunately, we have woefully little information and many of these problems could be attributed to other sources that are just as likely.

09/05/06 20:06

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

wisely spoken DexAholic! as for everybody else that might wonder, no Im hardly having any er7's ... I had one the other night, but the reason I can understand everybody complaining is because as soon as factions came out, I could not complete missions for the life of me. I would be at the very end of a mission, even killed the kraken spawn, and right as I was about to get my award and go to the cinematix, I would get an er7. EVERY FREAKING TIME! I know its not my isp, I am sitting on 3-5x T1's .. there is no way I am lagging out. That leads me to believe it is very possible indeed that it is on the server side. The time I got those problems was just as factions was released, and then it suddenly magically dissapeared. It seems that it is now showing up again. Long story short, somthing needs to happen about it, and very soon! Im not going to dismiss it simply because I havent been affected by it, I am looking at it realistically!

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09/05/06 20:14

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

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I know its not my isp, I am sitting on 3-5x T1's .. there is no way I am lagging out.

See? your assuming its not your ISP because of your connection. Between you and your ISP, there are Hops, which are basically places that your connection has to travel through. Just because you have a good connection, a single bad hop could disconnect you because it leads to packet loss which when the server gets a break in the packets its getting from you, the client drops you out because the server doesnt respond when it recieves 0 packets.

As for right when factions came out, thats like saying it isnt going to lag when the next WoW expansion comes out. I'm sure those who didnt play as much but got factions started playing to get through factions. And with a sudden increase in bandwidth and traffic, you bet theirs gonna be lag and disconnections.


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09/05/06 20:20

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I don't think a massive disconnect in a Hero's Ascent battle or a Shing Jea Monastery gathering is just a coincidental PC malfunction on everyone's part (at the exact same time).

09/05/06 20:20

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I don't think a massive disconnect in a Hero's Ascent battle or a Shing Jea Monastery gathering is just a coincidental PC malfunction on everyone's part (at the exact same time).

Maybe this happened when I was taking a break from GW. But I dont recall hearing about either of them.

Though I do remember the last large update they did. As soon as I tried to zone I got disconnected, launched GW again and downloaded the update and there was maybe 10 people in droks. And from what I gather, every time theres an update, people start getting errors when they hit a loading screen.


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09/05/06 20:25

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I don't think a massive disconnect in a Hero's Ascent battle or a Shing Jea Monastery gathering is just a coincidental PC malfunction on everyone's part (at the exact same time).

It's happened recently... several times in Shing Jea over the past month (probably more, but I don't stay there too long usually), and a good number of times in HA the past month or so.

09/05/06 20:27

Tor Den Mektige

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

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I know its not my isp, I am sitting on 3-5x T1's .. there is no way I am lagging out.

and this would happen every 15 min? :P and what makes you think I didnt try other isp's that my friends had while this was going on? it honestly happened to me everywhere. I think you need to be a little less defencive and a little more open minded. I am at least trying to see it from both sides of the coin. I agree that 90% of the time it is most lightly client based, but I know that it is also likely that Anet has had some problems also. Please dont assume that I dont know what im talking about, just because I dont voice every logical thought pattern going on, and every scenario that played out in my mind. :) I used to work for the main center ... or I guess you could call it the IT on my campus (before this campus) ... granted I dont know everything, but I dont considder my self brain dead when it comes to this topic.

All I have been trying to say is, I can understand both sides, and I am trying to shed some light on the other side, that you seem to be trying to disprove. Be a little open minded, it worked for Einstein. :)

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09/05/06 20:32

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

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All I have been trying to say is, I can understand both sides, and I am trying to shed some light on the other side, that you seem to be trying to disprove. Be a little open minded, it worked for Einstein. :)

I'm not saying anet is NOT the problem, I'm just pointing out that because someone keeps getting 07's, it doesnt mean it is anet. Sure theres a chance it is, but theres an equal chance that its not.

And most of the time someone makes a topic about it, they are the only person who is having that problem at that current time. The only time i've been able to say 100% without a doubt that it IS anet is when they have an outage, such as when the european servers went down all of a sudden. But as I said, thats more of a massive thing, not just 1-2 people at a time.

Ya gotta also look at their architecture. Its not as simple as WoW. In WoW every player is on the same server, unless their in an instance. In GW, every team that is outside a town basically has its own server(maybe not its own server, but a different place on the server). It takes a lot more to have 10 parties in a different area at once then 10 parties in the same area.

I personally prefer the instancing, but if it was all open ended like WoW, there would probably be a LOT less problems because ironicly the simplist way is sometimes the best way.


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09/05/06 21:09

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RE: ok seriously, anet admit u ahve a %$^&*() problem!

Way way way too much to read.

I've not had an Err7 since I moved to Cable while I'm in the USA, I've had a couple of random Err numbers I can't remember but most of those have been while I'm idle in a town due to being AFK.

I did used to get a helluvalot of Err7's on ADSL tho and since I'll be going back to that in a few weeks I guess I can run a comparison.

^_^

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