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evenhands
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| FIRESTORM: A public service message |
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A lot of skills have been nerfed and buffed since Guild Wars was born. It is an ever evolving world and that is to beexpected, sometimes enjoyed and sometimes reviled, but always expected.
One skill that was never nerfed was Firestorm, the skill description has not changed since the strategy guide was printed, however in "The Great Nerfing" which caused enemies to react "more realistically" to AOE damage Firestorm was , forever changed.
I have noticed that Pyro's are unbelievably reluctant to accept this.
I have an ele, I used to decimate groups in 10 seconds or lessby dual echoing Firestorm, it was really nice to be able to do that kind of damage. I was upset as were most when "The great nerfing" happened, but, I mean, I moved on. It was clear that the Firestorm and Lava font build I was using was no longer worth a %^$# so I got rid of those skills in my PvE builds and started enjoying my ele again..
Nuff said..... right?
Wrong.
It seems like every single time I ormy guild allows a pick up ele into our group, thier entire build is built around Firestorm. I am certain we tell them to please stop. I can only imagine a billion people before must have asked them the same thing.....
Yet still, it is in thier skill bar and they are still using it whenever they can.
PYROMANCERS PLEASE HEED THESE WORDS:
Firestorm not only does an amount of damage that is so nominal as it isnotworth mentioning, because the enemies run away before it hits them 3 times.....
But it FU**S the whole party over because the enemies scramble away from the warriors and into the group of casters , resulting in Chaos.
I and my guild are almost at a point where we simple willnot EVER accept ANYONE not in the guild...
This is kinda bumming me out, becausei used to enjoy playing with others and i am so sick of rezing henchies after the battle......
Please for the love of god , take firestorm out of your PvE build.
This has been apublic service announcement sponsored by the ATF (Ascalon Task Force)
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| 09/08/06 16:47 |
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Wyat_hawke
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I do have to admit, it seems that I have been a bit more lucky than you. I haven't encountered a elementalist for months who still uses Fire Storm, guess it's just you being unlucky. =S
Anyway, thats why I'm a Geomancer, they didn't get nerfed that much, and is by my standards THE best magic to choose right now
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| 09/08/06 16:51 |
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Tor Den Mektige
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lol I took firestorm out of my build the day the nerf happened :) and I dont mind at all, I echo fireball now :P and it does a LOT more dmg over time :D
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| 09/08/06 16:53 |
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firestorm2
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i still use firestorm, but ONLY in PVP or when combined with meteor shower. with met shower, they are knocked down so they cannot run away, and it does considerable damage. i never use firestorm by itself though.
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| 09/08/06 16:56 |
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evenhands
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PvP Firestorm builds have never really been that hi damage.
I personally LOVE taking on teams who still beleive Hamstorming is a viable build =P
Meteorshower DOES cause knockdowns which tend to keep enemies in place, but Firestorm will STILL make them scatter too fast.
and why would you use it anyways, the damage it does is nothing once they take off.....
If you absolutely MUST carry some kind of AOE to protect yourself in less skilled groups try bed of coals in place of Firestorm, for some reason it doesn;t scatter them as fast, and since it is cast only at the area which you are standing it can also be used as a defensive skill. Also it is much easier to control where it is ghoing to manifest...
Firestrom + Pve = BAD
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| 09/08/06 17:00 |
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loki714
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yea FS is getting annoying, i have noticed an increase in newcomers to the FoW, and the eles that bring firestorm is beyond annoying when i get a group who groups the monks and casters all in one circle, then i spam SS and suffering on them...and before i get it all casted out to do some heavy spite, the new ele uses Firestorm and ruins the whole thing...
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| 09/08/06 17:03 |
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TheBeano
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Here here! and +cred to you!
This is something that I've dealt with on numerous occasions and many, unfortunately, will not listen. Thanks for bringing this up to the community as a whole. It is frustrating. I love playing my ele PvE and again, haven't used Firestorm since "the great nerfing."
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| 09/08/06 17:07 |
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CaptainBobby
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In HoH a team used Earthbind with meteor shower and firestorm, killed my entire team in one nuke
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| 09/08/06 17:11 |
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evenhands
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Captain Bobby...
GREAT, I am very proud of them !!
lol, seriously in PvP it is a different issue, you have a team who has a plan and you can expect the opposition to act like himans and not stand in damage .....
If you can find a way to force the other team to stand in it, GREAT! Use it and good luck to you......
But in PVE this is not the case. If you are entering a pick-up group it is VERY unlikely you are going to have all the peeps in the group on the same page enuff to get away with somethinglike that and more often than not even trying it is going to result in disaster.....
PvP + Firestorm = sure cool, thats on you
PVE + Firestorm = BAD BAD BAD!
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| 09/08/06 17:21 |
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DexAholic
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| QUOTE | | In HoH a team used Earthbind with meteor shower and firestorm, killed my entire team in one nuke |
I've seen people do stuff like that as well. It would have been nice if they did something like decreased the casting time, decreased the casting cost, increased the AoE, etc. to keep the spell more useful.
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| 09/08/06 17:38 |
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Firestorm still has it's uses in tight-quarters and PvP mainly, it shouldn't be forgotten.
i agree that in PvE it scatters mobs like crazy making them harder to kill. (one reason i never bring Cynn along as a hench).
anyway, i still run it, just not that often.
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| 09/08/06 17:53 |
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Soul Flame Monkey
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Well let people figure it out for themselfs, Its like putting on a billbord dont use frenzy+heal sig at the same time, they still do it and you wont make the diffrence, or go tell someone that mending will leech more energy then it will do good. Or tell that server-gash wont work with boon prot in game.
Lets make a little list of things that wont work out good
-Fire storm
-Heal Sig+Frenzy
-BiP as touch
-Server-Gash vs Boon Prot
-Mending
-Trapping without Dust Trap
-ViM+IWAY = A mess(VIMWAY)
-Shadow Form vs Shock (:P)
So who is willing to pay with me and rent a airplane who goes all over the world with the text above? Or make a mail spamming bot that will hack into the Guild Wars database and mail everyone with a gw account on his email?
SUGGESTIONS?
let me explain ViM+IWAY for a sec, its like a leech.. ViM is doing fine, killing IWAY all over the place, and HEY what do simple people think? Well lets make something that will make things easier for us and get even more/faster fame then those stupid ViM we cant beat in HA. Result VIMWAY witch makes the damage output of a IWAY warrior completely useless, the only good thing is the skill VIM. + less conditions done will make the trappers die faster.
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| 09/08/06 18:41 |
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cswella
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I do agree, in general you shouldn't use Firestorm. But for my guild group, our strategy before the stupidly simple EoE idea was to have all 3 nukers echo Firestorm. It still has an awesome DPS.
The only way I would kick someone for using Firestorm is if their only explaination was to "Do Damage". Scattering enemies isn't always bad, if you can control it.
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| 09/08/06 18:56 |
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| QUOTE | | Scattering enemies isn't always bad, if you can control it. |
and out in the open, firestorm almost always will drive them back, so yea, this can be great for use against a heavy melee attack.
another good use for firestorm in PvE is when you have a minion master using horrors, they tend to trap up enemy mobs and it is very effective.
All lies and jest, still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.
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| 09/08/06 18:59 |
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Soul Flame Monkey
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Thinking logical, "most" players use build that they find on wiki/guru/amp, they dont think logical. And since GW is all about logical thinking and reflection, It seems that we(as in everyone posting builds/guides/topic's) are guilty to the GW universe going wrong. I dont like fire ele ayway, there are some way sweeter skills then meteor shower firestorm etc etc, you just need to take the time get some exp, and learn your skills just like you learned for a exams(before going to bed) In a week or 2 you'll know the skill effect's, how they work, what they work best on, where and why not to use/ and logical counters. So rather suggest you dont say what NOT use or DO use. Rather give them some healty alternitives.(Don't I sound smart? XD)
Example I know out of my head what 3/4 to all skills do :/ don't ask me to tell them all because my mind isnt that good, but if you ask what a spell/skill does and how it reacts on npc, 8 out of 10 I probaly will have the awnser, AND THAT MY DEAR READERS is the key to GW.
Because my dear enemy mesmer Power Spike doesn't work on Troll Ugnet and keep on trying it 10-30 times wont make it any better. And I even told it in public chat(by accident) :/
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| 09/08/06 19:18 |
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firestorm2
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when i said FS+Meteor shower, i meant in PVP, not PVE. in PVE i always use bed of coals instead, it's an awesome skill when i use either MS or meteor with it.
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| 09/08/06 19:29 |
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evenhands
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I agree that in a group that is familiar with one another and working toegther in a way that will allow the players to contain and control NPC's firestorm could possibly be less detrimental.......
I might even go so far as to say nominally beneficial to a PvE team, but come on CSwella, I see your posts all over the place, I know you are a smart guy and you know what ya talking about....
Can you honestly tell me that the average pick up group, even one you spend a few minutes talking to , is going to be that well coordinated ?
As far as the AOE for defense theory, I DO fully understand that there are times when it is beneficial to a PvE group to scatter enemies, or to an individual player to save his own hind-parts.....
But Firestorm is NOT the best way to do this, target and enemy in a group you wanna scatter, and who knows where he is actually gonna be when the spell casts, more often than not is going to make the enemies run toward the group of casters...
If you are in a super coordinated team and you have traps and snares all set up and waiting in the area the enemy NPC's are going to cross to get to you, then GREAT PLANNING, althoug, in the time it takes to set that all up, you should have already killed the average group of PvE enemies......
I still maintain this statement:
Firestorm + PvE = BAD BAD BAD BAD !!
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On the Bed Of Coals topic to Firestorm 2 .....
I certainly agree bed of coals can play a wicked role in some combos and the scatter effect, which DOES happen is more easily controlled, and more useful in protecting a group because it is going tomake the enemies run AWAY from you.....
.also,once you have meteor showered a group of NPC enemies you echo or Glyph of Renewal 2 beds of coals at the same location very quickly, which, tho it will scatter the enemies, will usually have them either dead, or so closeto death that they are extremely manageable....
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Also I have never kicked anyone out of a group for having firestorm, untill the mission has failed....
I have just regretted bringing them.
FIRESTORM + PVE = ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHH !
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| 09/08/06 20:40 |
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Well, I've had alot of luck with a one person build.
-Shared Burden or an AoE water hex.
-Meteor Storm
-Firestorm
So it is possible. But I totally agree with you Evenhands. PuGs are horrible with management of Firestorm. I would even say that if you do go with PuG, don't bring Firestorm.
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| 09/08/06 20:46 |
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It all depends on your style of playing. It may be bad for you and yet good for others. I agree in pugs it wouldn't be much help unless the monk want to run to that spot to avoid melee attacks, but its come in handy for me when playing with henchies. Any skill can be looked at in a negative way and yet they all are very useful in their own way. People just need to learn the most useful way of using it. I myself like it but then again I don't do pugs.
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| 09/08/06 20:57 |
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Is this a pact to ignore me?
Anyway playing with hench will scatter the groups, fire storm or not
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| 09/08/06 21:08 |
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Well I killed of my Ele in favour of a PvP slot a little while after the nerf, he was my first char and tbh I had gotten a little bored playing an Ele.
I do agree completely about FS especially in FoW....because that FS really hurts those Abysals and isn't gonna scatter the shadows. You will also find that 9 times in 10 the offending Ele feels that they must run right up to their target and tank while casting..........
| QUOTE | Lets make a little list of things that wont work out good
-Fire storm
-Heal Sig+Frenzy
-BiP as touch
-Server-Gash vs Boon Prot
-Mending
-Trapping without Dust Trap
-ViM+IWAY = A mess(VIMWAY)
-Shadow Form vs Shock (:P) |
Yes to everything but VIMWAY! That's such a fun build for HA! It causes utter confusion against most non practiced teams and if you run it well can be very successful. It's not so great against AoE builds and it does tend to attract fame hunters but I bet if you could play it well you could hold the halls!
Also I VIM trapped Vis Square the other day...that was fun and so very effective :)
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| 09/08/06 21:33 |
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