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jfarris964
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In this original thread by UCCat, he sparked some interest in my mind about not only rating an individual charater (i.e. Warrior), but rating the player behind the character. Several of the posts I made in that thread seemed to drift off topic slightly, so I decided to give them new life in this thread.
The basis of the topic is to determine a way to rate an individuals Guild Wars playing ability regardless of whether they play mostly PvE, mostly PvP, or a combination of both. This system would need to account for many different variables to determine the players rating. These variables should include Time Played, Experience, and the various forms of Faction (Balth, Kurzick, Luxon). As trying to compare a strictly PvP player to a strictly PvE player could be very difficult, if not impossible, input from the Gameamp community could lead us to a way of comparing them without neglecting either type.
Here is the equation for calculating your rating that I've come up with so far:
(((XP of all characters on your account added together) + (Balth Faction * 1.5) + (Kurzick Faction / 2) + (Luxon Faction / 2)) / Time Played, in minutes, for the account)
Using that equation, my score would be:
(7,459,957 + (51,983 * 1.5) + (143,194 / 2) + (19,022 / 2)) / 100,856 = 75.54
Is this a good way to rate a players ability? Are there more variables that need to be taken into account? Is this focusing too much on PvP or PvE?
Input from the Gameamp community is definitely appreciated and necessary.
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| 09/11/06 12:49 |
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UCCat
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if you have 2 accounts... just treat it as one? add both accounts balth, time, etc?
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| 09/11/06 12:52 |
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jfarris964
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I would think that you could do that. Why not? They're both yours and you've put time into both, so yes. Add them together. Just make sure to add the total time played also, then convert it to minutes.
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| 09/11/06 12:56 |
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Mordakaida
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this seems intresting.. be something fun for the community. Can not really rate a player by how much time he puts into a game but be something fun :)
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| 09/11/06 12:58 |
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NecroRebel
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The system should probably take missions and HA wins as well, since better PvE players will almost always have completed more missions, while better PvPers will have fought in HA more often. I'd say add in half of a person's Fame and half the number of missions that they've completed for the Protector titles across all characters as well, though that may not be an accurate accounting.
As long as everyone uses the same reference system, though, the ratings will still give a good system of determening who is the better player in some cases.
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| 09/11/06 12:59 |
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vuryser
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So, if I have no Factions, I am rated lower?
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| 09/11/06 13:03 |
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Brynden
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I'm not entirely sure, but something strikes me as wrong. The more time you have played the smaller that number gets, because you are dividing by time played. Also, I would like to point out that experience earned is not necessarily a measure of actual experience playing. Most of my characters have played through prophecies and factions, and done most if not all of the side quests along the way. I've found that nets in the general vicinity of 700,000 experience, which is right around where most of my characters are. My warrior, the only character I have ever farmed with (and not even all that much), has twice that much. Therefore, the biggest number in that equation, most likely, is largely determined by time spent farming. Personally, I don't think there is really a way to rank someone using the numbers guildwars gives you. Sure, balthazar faction is a good measure of how much someone has pvped, but you can farm that too in the Zaishen Challenge missions. Luxon and Kurzick faction are easily farmed as well, and playing time in general can reflect time spent farming rather than time spent improving your play.
In short, I would say the only real measure is actually playing with someone, and talking with them. That usually gives me a good idea of how good they are, but you cannot put a number to it. I don't think that is ever likely to change.
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| 09/11/06 13:04 |
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Keo
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But people will cheat this, get power leveled and sit in AB's doing nothing to build up their faction. It's a great idea but I think it would need a better system to calculate the player value.
Perhaps a kill/death ratio or even a damage +/- to death ratio to accomodate the monks. Take xp, age, deaths, damage dealt, counts of skills being used...work out adaptation & playing styles to generate a real score for how good the player is.
It's a shame you can't display your xp tho instead of a title :(
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| 09/11/06 13:05 |
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UCCat
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| QUOTE | | experience earned is not necessarily a measure of actual experience playing |
technically, thats why i thought of my equation for the warrior only, if you have had a 55 monk for a year or so like my guild leader has... we are talking 5 to 10 million exp on a single character
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| 09/11/06 13:06 |
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jfarris964
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| QUOTE | | So, if I have no Factions, I am rated lower? |
If you'll notice in the numbers I used to calculate my score, my Faction contribution to the total score is much lower than my XP contribution. Therefore if you PvE a lot more you'll have a higher XP total to counteract the lack of Faction points. Also, if you have a ton of XP, but you don't play very much, you'll end up with a really high score.
To answer your question.....No, I don't think your lack of Faction points would lower your score noticeably if at all.
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| 09/11/06 13:06 |
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Brynden
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Using your equation, I get a score of only 63.8, sigh.
I thought of something else I don't think works right in the equation though, PvP character, though they will have accumulated a ton of balthazar faction, also will have accumulated an awful lot of xp, which is the biggest factor in your equation. However, I would imagine that they would be rerolling PvP characters an awful lot, rather than just playing the same build over and over, and therefore, cannot actually add in the experience earned from PvP characters, though it could significantly contribute to their score.
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| 09/11/06 13:11 |
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jfarris964
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| QUOTE | | ...and therefore, cannot actually add in the experience earned from PvP characters, though it could significantly contribute to their score. |
I agree with you on this point. That is one of the reasons that the multiplier of 1.5 was added to the Balthazar Faction total. I was hoping that it would somewhat account for that lost experience.
Maybe the XP total is skewing the value too much toward PvE. With a little more discussion, maybe we can find something that actual works. This was just my first dart at the board....actually 3rd or 4th, but the others didn't even hit it.
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| 09/11/06 13:15 |
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UCCat
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| QUOTE | | actually 3rd or 4th, but the others didn't even hit it. |
lol
i still think my original works probably the best for a warrior only... maybe anet can figure out something and give emotes... ermmm, prolly not a good idea, then we would have emote discrimination on a wider scale... nm :P
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| 09/11/06 13:30 |
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Asmodeus
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3,135,497 Asmodeus
109,118 Ritual
56,901 Fire Spark
243,642 Miss
782,135 Leopard
121,061 Balthazar
45,782 Kurzick
91,753 Luxon
Time: 2034 Hours, 8 mins
122048 MINUTES
181591.5 Balth Faction
22891 Kurzy
45876.5 Lux
Total Exp: 4,327,293
37.51 to 2 DP in my maths.... Bah, this method sucks ;P Add in titles, I swear that knocks my title up miles... Plus I go afk hours at a time.... /more excuses. :)
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| 09/11/06 13:34 |
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