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Wulfgar Fireblade

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IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

I just had a thought...couldn't a 600hp (or Spirit Bond Monk, whichever you like) throw points in Illusion Magic, take IW instead of SoJ, and use any (in this case the preorder Scythe, for those who buy the bonus pack) scythe to deal damage to all their adjacent foes?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Dervish (the scythe) can swing and hit all adjacent enemies, even on normal attack. Without any points into Scythe Mastery, you do nothing, but with IW, you replace the melee damage with something like 35-40 damage.

If it works, it could own Mountain Trolls/any melee farming spot. Any thoughts?

Edit: The Pre-Order scythe is an Icy Scythe of Enchanting, so it ideally provides an enchantment enhancement.

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09/14/06 01:04

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

oh god your right and oh god im scared

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09/14/06 01:10

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

sounds like a great idea...pretty scary thinking about too lol

09/14/06 01:12

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

lol Yeah, but it could really speed stuff up, maybe a W/Me of some kind with Flurry. Dang.

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09/14/06 01:18

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

Well, IW is just each time you would have hit with an attack, right? And the scythe does attack all adjacent foes every attack. I would think then that a zealous scythe of enchanting would be the very best weapon to use, but I'm not sure if you still get the energy bonus with IW. Anyone know? And I'm pretty sure you can change the mods on the preorder items, at least I know I added a defense mod to my preorder rit staff.

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09/14/06 01:20

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

i am pretty sure the sycthe attack only hits 3 foes i found out here http://gw.gamewikis.org/wiki/Scythe

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09/14/06 02:35

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

It only hits 3 but still that would be pretty effective dealing 32 dmg to 3 monsties ea swing.

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09/14/06 02:43

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

yea it would also is IW easier 2 cap than SoJ

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09/14/06 02:45

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

not a bad idea

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09/14/06 04:20

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

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And I'm pretty sure you can change the mods on the preorder items, at least I know I added a defense mod to my preorder rit staff.

correct if i'm wrong but that scythe its the one given w/ the "Nightfall Pre-Release Bonus Pack" ?

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09/14/06 04:34

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but I'm not sure if you still get the energy bonus with IW. Anyone know?

No... Weapon mods do not work while IW is on (Vampiric, Zealous ect.)

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09/14/06 05:17

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

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but I'm not sure if you still get the energy bonus with IW. Anyone know?

No... Weapon mods do not work while IW is on (Vampiric, Zealous ect.)

however the enchanting mod will make IW last longer :D

09/14/06 06:03

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

overpowered?, but slow attack speed...

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09/14/06 06:14

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

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It only hits 3 but still that would be pretty effective dealing 32 dmg to 3 monsties ea swing.

It's a good idea, but...dealing damage to 3 things in a mob of 15 means you have to take out 5 seperate groups, this will take time, more time than SoJ would take to finish them all off. 1 swing, 3 hits = 96 damage per 2 seconds. SoJ with a mob of 15 = 750 damage per 2-3 seconds. Even with just 3 things hitting you it equates to 150 damage, which is still better than 96.

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Notice I emboldened "target"? Your target is the person highlighted, not those adjacent to your target. Skills like Cyclone say they hit all adjacent foes.

What I'm thinking is IW works with Skills that hit multiple foes in melee, but I'm not sure it will trigger from a weapon attributes inherent effect of hitting adjacent foes... it is definately something i will try during the NPE.

Even if it does work, I still doubt it will speed up anyones current SoJ farm build.

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09/14/06 06:18

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

Well if your farming ettin 3 is usually the most you pull at a time.

I've been considering a Ranger/dervish should be an awesome combo.

09/14/06 06:23

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

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Well if your farming ettin 3 is usually the most you pull at a time.

I've been considering a Ranger/dervish should be an awesome combo.

Well ofcourse there will be other uses for Dervish in farming, the biggest bonus indeed being the multiple hits with an extremely high powered weapon.

It's just the topic is based on using a monk build with IW and a dervish weapon that hits more than your target if you increase Scythe mastery.

So... that's 3 professions needed for a SB/IW/Scythe build :/ Ofcourse Scythes can be wielded without being a Dervish, and IW negates the need to be doing damage with a weapon, but don't you need to increase Scythe Mastery to hit more than just one thing...?

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09/14/06 06:29

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

boy im scared :D cuz my favorite build is pack hunters and im sure u all know... almost no chance to survive dervish spike with em

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09/14/06 06:54

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

that does sound like a good idea but a assassin dervish would farm way better because of the high rate of criticals and the sythe max dmg being 41 IW is put to shame if you slap on a perfect sundering mod

09/14/06 07:07

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

Do you mind if i can make a guide out of tis by chance?

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09/14/06 07:14

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

are you talking about the A/De or the IW monk

09/14/06 07:18

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

There’s one thing missing, the preorder items are customized. This means you need to make an all new character. But that doesn't mean you can't still do it.

But here are my thoughts: Even if this would work, the very slow attack speed combined with only being able to hit 3 foes, it still slower than the 55 monk or rit builds. Plus, there’s nothing that says anything form the preview is final, so it could be (and I hope) that the higher you are in Scythe mastery, the more foes you hit (starting at 1 foe and going up). There are way too many unknowns at this point to say if something like this would, or would not work. I say we shall see when it comes out and that’s all we can do for now.

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09/14/06 07:37

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

To all those talking about D/* or /D*:

I was talking about being a Mo/Me 55/SB taking IW. You don't need to be a Dervish to wield a scythe ;)

I guess that sucks that you can't hit more than threee targets in one swing. Woulda been cool though.

09/14/06 19:42

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But don't you need to put points into Scythe Mastery to hit more than 1? Making it no better than a sword or axe for a Mo/Me

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09/14/06 19:45

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

But isn't that where IW comes into play..?

09/14/06 19:48

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

i looked at the mini statagy guide on the bonus order disk and a build for mes/wa was on there to use a sythe with IW, so yeah it'll work :D

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09/15/06 18:34

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

Well... this is a scary possibility, a very easy and very effective farming build, now if someone were to mod it to be used in AB...

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09/15/06 18:44

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

Weird, how is everyone getting their Pre-order package right now? I'm getting mine the day before its released :\

09/15/06 18:47

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

i just used it in RA, i was attacking the monk and a warrior came to kill me to protect the monk, as u may have already guessed i attacked both at 1ce, and the warrior using frenzy was even better :D
No way could the monk have kept the healing up have i stayed alive :P

09/15/06 18:48

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RE: IW + Preorder Scythe = melee farming pwnage?

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But isn't that where IW comes into play..?

I know how IW works... I did mention it in an earlier post.

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Ofcourse Scythes can be wielded without being a Dervish, and IW negates the need to be doing damage with a weapon, but don't you need to increase Scythe Mastery to hit more than just one thing...?

I was merely asking if Scythes hit upto 3 by default, or if you needed to increase a Dervish attribute to be able to hit more than one.

I've since found out that with Scythe Mastery of 0 you still hit 3 adjacent targets... So yeah, for mobs of 3 it looks like it will work... but I still stick to my earlier post.

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Another downside to this, is that Scythes are too handed, so my Monk would lose 17 energy, 12 if I had a +5 energy weapon... I'd also lose my 20/20 cast recharge offhand.

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09/15/06 19:04

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