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Nihzu

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Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

Does anyone have that kind of info?
Because I have yet to find any decent and detailed source.
You see, right now all I've been told was that "10k with a faction is all you need to be able to travel through faction controlled zones".
Ok so here I went, first taking 5 lvl 20s through the missions up to Sunjiang District. 5 x 500+250 = 3750 factions with both sides, cool. Then I did the f&%#ing postman till I got my 10k.
And all this for what? To find out you STILL CAN'T GO BEYOND THE MISSION AREAS UNTIL YOU HAVE CHOSEN A GODDAMN SIDE................
So where can I shove my faction points if I want to go further? That's right Charlie, right there where the sun don't f&%¤ing shine...........
Yep venting won't help much BUT HOLY CRAP DOES IT FEEL GOOD!!

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10/12/06 14:50

the manly monk

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

have you befriended one of the sides, if not you need too i think, and you cant talk to kurz NPC's if you have mroe or equal luxon faction and vice versa

10/12/06 14:57

johny bravo

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

I think once you befriend on side you can gain another 10K faction for the other side and befriend them instead. This allows you access to the whole map and all the mission. Note you can only befriend one at a time so even though you can go to the other towns you can only trade with the friendly NPCs.

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10/12/06 15:00

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

offtopic: Johnny, plz tell me that your sig is edited, you don't really have played for 1 week did ya?

10/12/06 15:10

NecroRebel

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

Really, Faction for a side only helps for going from the capitol of that side (House zu Heltzer for the Kurzicks and Cavalon for the Luxons) to the first mission for that side (Eternal Grove and Gyala Hatchery). In either case, you still have to be able to get to the capitol city, which requires you to beat Sunjiang District then talk to Jamei in Maatu Keep. In either case, you still have to do primary quests to get to most areas (Befriending the Kurzicks and Befriending the Luxons are the quests for which you need 10000 unspent Faction with the appropriate side to finish, and those each unlock the primary quest to the following mission).

Once you've done Eternal Grove or Gyala Hatchery, you gain access to the southern regions of the Echovald Forest or Jade Sea, including the Unwaking Waters mission, and once you've beaten Unwaking Waters you can get to the missions Raisu Palace and Imperial Sanctum. However, if you want to go to the other side of the conflict, you still have to do the other Befriending quest; if you've Befriended the Kurzicks, the Luxons still won't let you into Gyala Hatchery and the southern areas of their lands and vice versa.

Hope this cleared a bit up for you, and if not... Well, I'm not even sure what you're asking in that case.

10/12/06 15:26

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

Off topic here but to answer your question knight that sig is not edited. Manipulated a little in that I didn't PLAY a week straight but was LOGGED ON for a week straight. Just hought it would look cool.

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10/12/06 15:31

Nihzu

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

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Yep that's the fact I'm faced with right now, meaning that I'll have spent time getting 10k faction with either side for pretty much nothing...
That's why I'd like to get a link to some detailed info about the underlying faction point system since I really don't feel like going through the same crap again.

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10/12/06 18:13

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

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no.. just befriend both, donate 10k to guild then spend to other 10k on jadeite/amber

10/12/06 18:37

Nihzu

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

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no.. just befriend both, donate 10k to guild then spend to other 10k on jadeite/amber

Hang on, hang on...
Ok we start over.

At the moment:
10k Kurzick faction
10k Luxon faction

No allegiance yet.

Now there is that funny little message popping up when you hover the mouse on any faction indicator saying that spending your points with one side withdraws the same amount from the others.
Coupled with the fact that, unlike what I got to believe asking people around (since I couldn't find any source of information about that, which is still the topic of this thread), those 2x 10k aren't enough to simply explore Cantha while leaving the vassals have their ways...

So as it stands right now I have the feeling that I have wasted time getting 10k with either side.

Have I missed something?

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10/13/06 05:54

mriswith

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

The 10k is only needed to get the quests to pass on to the next mission area. As long as you have 10k for either or both, it doesnt matter, you will get the quest to get on and will be able to finish the game. However; both maxed indeed makes you a 'no sider'. When you have gotten the quests defenders of the forrest & stolen eggs for all your characters, you never need a full 10k faction.
To be able to talk to the NPC's of one side; just dontate some faction to your guild. Both sides will go down indeed; but do a small quest for either side, fort aspenwood, jade quarry or an AB; and you will get a higher faction points only for them.

I know of 1 problem with maxed faction; when you are guildless and thus without guildfaction, you cant donate anywhere and you will be stuck with the points. However you will be able to get through the game; it denies you the possibility of armour of either side.

I hope your question is a bit answered with this.

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10/13/06 06:04

Nihzu

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

Well I'm still confused... Let me reformulate.
With my 10k with both sides, can I complete "Befriend the Kurzick" AND "Befriend the Luxons" at once without the need to farm 10k with the opposite faction once I've spent 10k with either?
Also - still going back to this - could someone please point me to some thourough information about faction mechanics?

10/13/06 06:55

mriswith

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

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With my 10k with both sides, can I complete "Befriend the Kurzick" AND "Befriend the Luxons" at once without the need to farm 10k with the opposite faction once I've spent 10k with either?

You wont spend any faction with doing those quests. So yes you can complete them, and get the follow up quest which brings you to the next mission area you will still have 10k on both sides)

I will look up info on the faction mechanism, but since im at work atm, it wont be until 15:00 GMT that i will have time to look it up.

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10/13/06 06:57

Sgt P

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

To early gave wrong info, sorry

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10/13/06 07:02

mriswith

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

welcome to AMP Sgt P! I hope you will like your stay here ^^

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10/13/06 07:09

Kamikaze316

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

You get the quest Befriending the Luxons from elder Rhea and Befriending the Kurzicks from Count Zu Heltzer. You can get these quests after doing Journey to Cavalon and Journey to House Zu Heltzer respectivly... i think..

IMO do both of the jouneys go to one side and complete one of the befriending quests. This may cause a small drop in the factions' faction. Go to the other side build up what little you need .. if any and complete the other befriending quest. Then you can go where ever you want. The only catch is you will only get to talk to vender on the faction that you have the highest amount of points.

10/13/06 07:34

tmakinen

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

Well, the issue is quite simple really.

To complete the primary quest "Befriending the Kurzicks" (that you get from Jamei in Maatu Keep after completing the Sunjiang District mission) and get the follow-up quest that leads to The Eternal Grove mission you have to have 10k Kurzick faction on your account, no other strings attached.

To complete the primary quest "Befriending the Luxons" (that you get from Jamei in Maatu Keep after completing the Sunjiang District mission) and get the follow-up quest that leads to the Gyala Hatchery mission you have to have 10k Luxon faction on your account, no other strings attached.

Since faction is account based, once you've gathered enough faction it is economical to wait until all your characters pass these points, after that you can do whatever you wish with that faction. If you spend the faction before a toon of yours has completed the befriending quests, you'll have to acquire the faction again.

If you don't have a guild to donate the faction (or don't want to donate) you can use it to get amber or jade that you can then sell or use in armor.

It is quite possible to do both befriending quests at the same time, but wasteful, since when you use one faction (Kurzick or Luzon) for anything, you lose the other an equal amount. So, if you have both factions maxed out, you can do both sides with all your characters and then use 10k faction on one side. On the other hand, if you do one side first, then use that faction, do the other side and use that faction, you'll get credit for all the faction on both sides.

10/13/06 07:34

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

There is another option for you if you don't ever plan on joining a side and/or don't want the amber or jade. If you max both sides of the faction to 10k, you'll continually be able to do the "Befriending" quest without ever having to farm for faction again. Your amount of Faction for a given side, Luxon or Kurzick, is account based, not character based.

For example:
If all of your characters make it to HzH and Cavalon and you have 10k Luxon and 10k Kurzick faction on your account, ALL of your characters can complete the "Befriending" quests. Then, if you choose to, you can spend your faction, or wait until you get another character to HzH and Cavalon.

To do the "Befriending" quests, they do not take your faction away from you and you are not required to spend it. Most people do, but if all you really care about is not having to farm faction, then this is the easiest way.

In conclusion:

The easiest way is to get all of the characters that you want to do the Factions missions with to HzH and Cavalon. Get 10k Luxon and 10k Kurzick faction. Rotate through all of your characters and complete the "Befriending" quest for both sides, then do what ever you want after that.

I hope I was able to explain that well enough. If not, I can try again.

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10/13/06 07:52

Nihzu

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

Thanks for the input, feeling a bit relieved...
The reason why I'm primarily focusing on exploration is that the guild I'm in is rather small, with most members not playing that much. Two of them (which is half of the guild actually) don't even own Factions yet so I dont feel like taking the decision as of now. However, since I've been appointed as temporary guild master, the urge to use my despotic powers tickles more and more as time passes by...

10/13/06 08:12

jfarris964

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

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....so I dont feel like taking the decision as of now....

Just another piece of advise....If you don't really care which side you join, I'd join the Kurzick side for one simple reason....Amber is worth more than Jadeite.

Alliance Battles are a lot of fun and you gain faction for which ever side you belong to. By joining the Kurzick side and fighting for the Kurzicks, you'll gain Kurzick faction which you can trade in for Amber to the [Faction Rewards] guy in HzH. As long as you have a guild hall and have joined one side or the other, you can participate in Alliance Battles. It's a form of PvP that's a lot of fun even if you don't like PvP. There's no Death Penalty and there are 24 people in the battle at once (12 on each side). AB'S are probably the best addition that Factions brought to the GW game. The rest of Factions is not all that great, lol.

10/13/06 08:30

Nihzu

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RE: Looking for a proper link to Faction point mechanics

Actually I do care, I'd rather take Kurzick. Whether it's because their gothic style suits my strong Necro preference... *grins*
But until democracy has its ways, I'll stick to getting Cartographer title and capping elites :)

Btw... I was thinking about farming Arius during this weekend, does that mean I HAVE to complete Galya Hatchery? (sorry GWwiki seems down atm, half of the pages appear blank)

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10/13/06 08:39

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