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I've read this book a couple of time, and decided that, if everyone in America read one book, it should be this one. The book is Chew on This by Eric Schlosser, and it is all about mass-manufactured foods (ie., fast food, snack foods, soda, etc). This book changed my whole life. Since reading this book sometome last year, I have not set foot in McDonald's, Burger King, Pizza Hut, KFC, etc.Seriously, everyone should read this book. It will change the way yopu think about food. Just my two inf.
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I think you don't have to read a book to know that fries are fried in Partially Hydrogenated Soybean Oil, which is likely the most atrocious thing you can eat. I have not had a soda for years because I heard that it's sugar content is so high that it shuts your metabolism down for 6 hours. Talk about not natural.

I try to shun myself from anything that has high fructose corn syrup [Edit: OR] any Hydrogenated Oils, to the point where I now throw up if I drink soda or eat Trans fats.

I would not call myself a health fanatic, but I have lost 15 lbs since April thanks to this new plan of eating, including shunning chocolate milk, reducing the overall amount of chocolate intake and increasing fruit and vegetable intake.

While I support the people who are letting ignorant America know what they are eating when they order that Triple Slam from Wendy's and what it might mean in the future, I honestly think that if enough people thought about it and were motivated to stop, they would. I don't know a single person who thinks it's healthy to get a coke, fries n' burger from anywhere.

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I read another book by the same author called Fast Food Nation and it had a similar affect on me. Very good book and an easy read.
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I stopped drinking soda after I had to use it to start my car...

I stopped off at a convenience store to grab a drink. Upon leaving my car wouldn't start which I soon learned was because the battery cable connectors were too corroded. My friend to my disbelief suggested I poor my recently bought Coke on them.

Wouldn't you know, the connectors looked like new as the Coke dissolved away the corrosion--allowing my car to start.

Chemistry isn't my strongest subject, but I could only imagine how that same Coke works on me.



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Chemistry isn't my strongest subject, but I could only imagine how that same Coke works on me.


Do you suffer from internal corrosion, for the coke to brake down?



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I love fast food and soda. Some things I just don't want to know...ignorance is bliss.



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I've got nothing but love for you, guys. Seriously...It's cool that you dig on books that tell you about the food you eat. However, of all the literature that you could choose to pass along to someone in the entire world, it definitely shouldn't be a book whose topic focuses on the preparation of fastfood. As mentioned previously in this thread, we all know that fastfood is bad for us. It's pretty simple: If it tastes great, it's probably going to kill you. I'll tell you this, though. I'd rather eat fast food and die at 35 than not and live to be 120. If you've ever heard somebody say "life is too short" and not really paid it any attention, then you might want to reflect on the statement. If you want to eat something that's nasty and tastes good, then you should do it. If you want to eat something nasty, but you don't want to be overweight, then hit the gym before or afterward. I eat fastfood almost every day of my life, and I can run 3 miles, lift weights for 2 hours, and devour a box of Krispy Kreme at the drop of a hat.

By the by, fast food isn't the reason for the obesity issue in the U.S. The problem is that parents aren't smacking their kids in the mouths and explaining to them that they're going to get their faces kicked in by bullies if they don't watch their weights. Not only that, it's sad that the once flourishing profession of "bully" has passed its peak in the States. Nothing teaches you a life lesson quite like being singled out in front of an entire student body. :P

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P.S. - If I ever meet the dude that made "Supersize Me" and got my supersize taken away, I'm going to break his freaking nose. How dare that dork make an idiotic documentary (eating fastfood for every meal makes you fat and unhealthy...here's your freaking Nobel Prize, genius) that ultimately limited my consumption choices. Somebody needs to puncture one of his lungs to keep other smart guys from producing additional "made for morons" flicks.



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I've got nothing but love for you, guys.  Seriously...It's cool that you dig on books that tell you about the food you eat.  However, of all the literature that you could choose to pass along to someone in the entire world, it definitely shouldn't be a book whose topic focuses on the preparation of fastfood.  As mentioned previously in this thread, we all know that fastfood is bad for us.  It's pretty simple: If it tastes great, it's probably going to kill you.  I'll tell you this, though.  I'd rather eat fast food and die at 35 than not and live to be 120.  If you've ever heard somebody say "life is too short" and not really paid it any attention, then you might want to reflect on the statement.  If you want to eat something that's nasty and tastes good, then you should do it.  If you want to eat something nasty, but you don't want to be overweight, then hit the gym before or afterward.  I eat fastfood almost every day of my life, and I can run 3 miles, lift weights for 2 hours, and devour a box of Krispy Kreme at the drop of a hat. 

By the by, fast food isn't the reason for the obesity issue in the U.S.  The problem is that parents aren't smacking their kids in the mouths and explaining to them that they're going to get their faces kicked in by bullies if they don't watch their weights.  Not only that, it's sad that the once flourishing profession of "bully" has passed its peak in the States.  Nothing teaches you a life lesson quite like being singled out in front of an entire student body.  :P

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I agree with you 100% on the second paragraph. It is absolutly no one's fault but your own if you're fat as a house. However, this book focuses not so much on the "Supersize Me" aspect of it. It focuses on four main points: Adervitsing to Children, Chemicals in Food, the way Fast Food Workers are Treated, and the way Food is Grown. The way meat is raised in this country... it sends shivers down my spine! I agree with the whole "Life is Too Short" philosophy, but I could never support a company that commits some of the atrocities(sp?) that these companies do.

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I read another book by the same author called Fast Food Nation and it had a similar affect on me. Very good book and an easy read.


I read this book too. The thing I like about Chew on This is that is less biased, and simply presents the facts for your decision.





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I agree with the whole "Life is Too Short" philosophy, but I could never support a company that commits some of the atrocities(sp?) that these companies do.


Eh...I hear people say stuff like this all the time, but it's definitely half-hearted. The atrocities committed by fastfood companies have nothing on your every day companies and organizations. Just look at the U.S. military. I was part of it, and I proudly support it now, but, at the end of the day, we were paid to kill for economic gain. I would easily drop a missile on an unsuspecting village/city to ensure the continued existence of capitalism and the availability of cheap oil. It doesn't bother me a bit, and I knew many a person that couldn't wait to do it. If you think treating cattle poorly is an atrocity, it might be time to read a new book, bubba. :P

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I agree with the whole "Life is Too Short" philosophy, but I could never support a company that commits some of the atrocities(sp?) that these companies do.


Eh...I hear people say stuff like this all the time, but it's definitely half-hearted. The atrocities committed by fastfood companies have nothing on your every day companies and organizations. Just look at the U.S. military. I was part of it, and I proudly support it now, but, at the end of the day, we were paid to kill for economic gain. I would easily drop a missile on an unsuspecting village/city to ensure the continued existence of capitalism and the availability of cheap oil. It doesn't bother me a bit, and I knew many a person that couldn't wait to do it. If you think treating cattle poorly is an atrocity, it might be time to read a new book, bubba. :P

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First off I'd like to say... This book didn't stay crunch in milk so I will never chew on it ever again.

Listen, I'm not going to read this book. Why? Because I don't give two flying forks about what goes into my meals, I enjoy them. I love my one pound six dollar burger, I'm gonna eat them until my heart explodes and there's nothing you can do to stop me.



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mal, i completely agree with your views on bullying. society and kids have become such wimps that they cant take a little harassment to make them stronger and thicker skinned. one of the reasons i played football for 10+ years and lifted wieghts and got in shape was because i was sick of kids making fun of chubby big. but hell now i'm still chubby but i just learned not to give a rats tushie whether anyone makes fun of me. i just answer with my fists of fat fury!!!

did you see super size me? i found it to be very interesting.

my favorite part of the movie was when he was sitting in McDonalds with an expert talking about how children are drawn to MickyDs cause of ronald and grimace et al. it kinda goes something like this

expert: yes children make a bond with mcdonalds at an early age because they identify the characters and it brings them joy.
guy: well i can change that. every time i drive by a mcdonalds with my kids i'll just punch them in the face so they associate mcdonalds with pain.
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Let me just bring up the ever-popular Dr. Adkins... Mr. I Invented the perfect diet and slipped on ice and died...

I've said it a million times and I'll say it a million more, I've got better odds of being hit by a bus than dying from my waistline, so I'm gonna be a smiling fool when that bus comes gunning for me.

Nas

P.S. I ate greasy chicken embryos smothered in some kind of fake cheese sauce this morning and I'll do it again!





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I've said it a million times and I'll say it a million more, I've got better odds of being hit by a bus than dying from my waistline



I don't know where he got those statistics Nas, but it's not the wasteline that kills one, it's the trans fats that clog the arteries and keep blood from flowing. You can get fat off of berries and you likely won't die, but trans fats are some of the worst things you can eat as I pointed out up there, apart from just taking poison of course.



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Anyone ever read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair? It was the first of the 'expose' books, revealing the inner workings of the American pork industry in Chicago during the Industrial Revolution.

I think the difference between "The Jungle" and modern works on similar topics is mass media. Until the invention of radio, people relied on the spoken word and postal system to transmit information across long distances. The fact that canned pork was completely unsanitary woud take ages to reach consumers and government spread across hundreds or thousands of miles.

Modern technology (radio, TV, Internet...) allows the dissemination of information at phenomenal rates. The creators of works such as "SupersizeMe" aren't serving a public interest by revealing that fast-food Frenched fried potatoes are unhealthy. The public already knows that. The public chooses to ignore it. Instead, I believe that they are instead motivated by personal interests, whatever those may be.

Now, exposing that a chain violates health codes is a separate matter. That is serving the public interest.

The recent fervor over so-called 'trans fats' is rather amusing. I remember vivdly a few years back when the hysteria started, scientists and media alike were touting a new, third fat that was joining saturated and unsaturated, which they dubbed 'trans'. Trans fats aren't new! Ever heard of Margarine? 100% trans fat. Except, then it was called 'partially hydrogenated'. Basically, any unsaturated fat, whether mono or poly, has unbonded receptor sites. That causes spoilage as funky chemicals bond to the fat on those receptor sites. To counteract this, unsaturated fats are forcibly bonded to additional hydrogen, which stabilizes them against spoiling. It also 'kinks' the fat chain, which has negative consequences. Hydrogenated fats used to be thought healthier than normal. Anyone ever argued about the differences of butter and margarine?





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but trans fats are some of the worst things you can eat as I pointed out up there, apart from just taking poison of course.


The worst fat you can eat......



Palm Oil. Palm oil is not a 'trans' or hydrogenated fat. In fact, it is one of the few vegetable fats that is nearly 100% saturated. Vegetable fats are typically high in unsaturated fat and are liquid at room temperature. Animal fats are typically high in saturated fat and are solid at room temperature. Palm oil is saturated fat and liquid at room temperature. Food manufacturers use it in mass quantites in baked goods to keep them moist and tender while they sit on the shelf.



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Hydrogenation is still one of the worst things you can do to an oil. The difference between cis-type fats and trans-type fats are the shapes, they are essentially the same elements. Hydrogenation literally raises the melting point of an oil and makes it's structure straight instead of bent like Olive Oil (the best oil for you, btw), thus clogging your arteries when you eat it.

Do a Wikipedia Search if you question my info.
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I don't know where he got those statistics Nas, but it's not the wasteline that kills one, it's the trans fats that clog the arteries and keep blood from flowing.  You can get fat off of berries and you likely won't die, but trans fats are some of the worst things you can eat as I pointed out up there, apart from just taking poison of course.


Dig this, bubba. There is no healthy fat. I'm not talking about the noun. I'm specifically referring to the adjective. If you're fat, you're unhealthy. It doesn't matter if you did it eating lean chicken breast and broccoli. Your body will still struggle to maintain. By the by, this stuff really gets to me. Again, there are people on the streets that would eat a freaking shoe if you seasoned it right, and half of the U.S. is whining about the fat content in a freaking Frosty. When you get the chance to eat something, you eat it. You eat it, and you thank whatever it is that you pray to that he/she/it/they gave it to you. My freshman year at a military college, they would let us eat one meal in 3 days, and we would have to suffer through physical training, classes, and basic day-to-day life on that one meal. Let me tell you how much I cared then and now that a double cheeseburger has trans fat. Sacrifice that food for a while, and you'll understand that it doesn't really matter what's in it. Nas is completely correct. You're going to die. It could be a piece of bacon, a car wreck, or a tragic hamster incident. If you're living your life based on the things that you're afraid of, then you need to read a self help book. :P

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Anyone ever read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair? It was the first of the 'expose' books, revealing the inner workings of the American pork industry in Chicago during the Industrial Revolution.


That was such a great book. Nevermind the fact that it was written specifically to promote socialism. After the president at that time read this novel, he took action against the food industry by creating an organization that is still with us today - the FDA.

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ydrogenation is still one of the worst things you can do to an oil. The difference between cis-type fats and trans-type fats are the shapes, they are essentially the same elements. Hydrogenation literally raises the melting point of an oil and makes it's structure straight instead of bent like Olive Oil (the best oil for you, btw), thus clogging your arteries when you eat it.


Dear lord, why would you know this? Why would anyone but a physician know this kind of stuff? Yeah...It's great conversational knowledge, but who cares. You probably lost an important childhood memory cramming that completely useless information into your head. What is the freaking world coming to!? :P

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Let's just say I have a lot of space for factoids and tidbits like these about anything chemistry or physics :-) Lets see, *examines memory*, nope all memories before I knew that piece of info are intact :-p
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Let's just say I have a lot of space for factoids and tidbits like these about anything chemistry or physics :-)  Lets see, *examines memory*, nope all memories before I knew that piece of info are intact :-p


Seriously...You're a young kid, Sing. You shouldn't be wasting your time with this stuff. There's no reason at all for you to even understand what a trans fat is outside of a general health test. You're wasting your childhood, killer. You don't think you are today...None of us think that when we're young and want to grow up. However, there will be a day when you look back and ask why you weren't out breaking stuff with your friends. Once you're an adult, the fun ends...It's all work and hardly any play. Eh...We all make the same mistake. You'll regret it just like every other adult. Put down the encyclopedia and pick up a comic book, bubba. It'll do you some good.

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Hydrogenation is still one of the worst things you can do to an oil.  The difference between cis-type fats and trans-type fats are the shapes, they are essentially the same elements.  Hydrogenation literally raises the melting point of an oil and makes it's structure straight instead of bent like Olive Oil (the best oil for you, btw), thus clogging your arteries when you eat it.

Do a Wikipedia Search if you question my info.


Wasn't questioning you at all, just pointing out that the WORST thing was a natural oil.

Personally, I don't use Wikipedia b/c I don't think it credible. Just can't put faith in a 'commonwealth' encyclopedia with no accountability. But, the FDA and UMass both agree with what we're saying.

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People are clamoring for manufacturers to stop using trans fats. People have sued for becoming fat. I hope those of you who like manufactured foods are eating your fill now. Even once trans fats are eliminated from food in large quantities, people will sue and they will win. Don't believe me? Precedent was set when a jury found that 4 manufacturers of lead paint were responsible for cleanup and health costs of lead paint sold WHEN LEAD PAINT WAS LEGAL, and before the health ramifications were known. Those manufacturers are now on the hook for BILLIONS in Rhode Island alone, and face lawsuits in California, Ohio, and several other places. McDonalds will be sued and lose, even though what they did was perfectly legal.



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I pick up more comic books than you think...

I'm not the type of kid who enjoys breaking things. I don't think you understand us geeks: we love to read up on stuff no one else cares about, just like other kids love to go around spraypainting stop-signs. We're actually helping out society, while other kids are vandalizing what society puts out for them. This is my passion, what I want to do with my life, and so what if I've decided that a bit early? I have a resolution. I also get my fun, trust me Mal.

Now, lets continue the topic about a little book called Chew On This, this topic is not about me after all. PM me on the matter if you like.
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When did people start eating lead paint? :P

As for lawsuits against McDonald's for becoming fat, I don't think you'll see too many of those happening. One will come along where McD's will want to set a precedent of its own. It'll be one of the 'ole "mess with us, and we'll keep you tied up in court for the next 20 years." If you're fat, that's cool...But don't blame it on the food you eat. Eat a cheeseburger for every meal, every day, and you aren't going to be fat. You'll only be fat if that's your diet AND you sit on your tail. People in today's society just don't want to take responsibility for their actions. They want to point the finger and cry. I think large companies should continually file counter suits against the people that try to take them for cash on ridiculous claims. Put them on the streets...That'll help with that pesky weight problem.

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I'm not the type of kid who enjoys breaking things. I don't think you understand us geeks: we love to read up on stuff no one else cares about, just like other kids love to go around spraypainting stop-signs. We're actually helping out society, while other kids are vandalizing what society puts out for them. This is my passion, what I want to do with my life, and so what if I've decided that a bit early? I have a resolution. I also get my fun, trust me Mal.


1. You aren't helping society by learning ridiculous information that doesn't mean anything to anyone. When I said you should be breaking stuff, that's my way of simply saying that you should be doing something that you'll remember in 20 years. You don't want to tell your kids a lame story about how you surfed Wikipedia for useless information. Let me tell you how quickly your kids will become the ones "not helping society." :P

2. You haven't decided what you're going to do with your life. You're 15, killer. You haven't even been to college. I've met people who wanted to be such and such since they were 4, and it all changes once they actually start moving toward the goal. Simply based on the fact that you're home schooled, I'd say that college is going to change your entire world. What I wouldn't give to be a fly on the wall for that one. You might want to check out a public school for at least one year to prepare you for the "fun."

3. I'll drop it. Like I said in the last post, it doesn't matter if 3 million people agree with me and tell you that they do. You're still going to do what we all did...You'll ignore it and regret it. Can I get an Amen from the choir?

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Anyone ever read "The Jungle" by Upton Sinclair?  It was the first of the 'expose' books, revealing the inner workings of the American pork industry in Chicago during the Industrial Revolution.


Dear god...as much as I love that book, I will never look at a sausage the same way :/

But, on topic...I honestly dont eat much fast-food, but not because of health reasons. Mostly its because A)I dont like many fast=food chains food, or B) My favorite fastfood place, Taco Bell, is maybe a 4 mile bike ride (2 there, 2 back). So, whter or not I ate a lot there, I still like to think Im healthy from the trip home :P

I like to enjoy my "youth", however that may be. Whether thats hanging out with my friends, or breaking things, or whatever. And Mal, you DO have a good point about the whole shoe thing..





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Okay, Okay, didn't mean to get anyone angry. Just drop it if everyone is gonna get upset about it. If no one is upset, and this is just a healthy discussion, than please continue.





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Didn't see anyone getting angry Crooks. Just a healthy debate going on about trans fats among other things, which I suppose was the intention of the forum.

I really don't have more to add, but, like Crooks, I invite anyone else to add their opinion to the topic as they will.
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i spent most of my life eating nothing but "healthy" food. I played football and wanted to be in best shape. My senior year of high school i got hurt and was out for a long time in that time i found that bad food really does taste better. well now im a "little" over weight but im getin back to my old self. curse you fast food ;)



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Didn't see anyone getting angry Crooks.  Just a healthy debate going on about trans fats among other things, which I suppose was the intention of the forum.

I really don't have more to add, but, like Crooks, I invite anyone else to add their opinion to the topic as they will.


Glad to hear no one is angry. We're all friends here :)

Again, Chew On This is not really about the health aspect, but some of the other things these companies do. For further viewing, check this out: The Meatrix. A little corny, but some good info about factory farming.

I'm really not doubting how the food tastes. But the things these people do to the planet are terrible.





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RE: Chew On This 

It looks pretty civil but lets do our best to keep it that way. It is the season for thanks and giving. So lets give some thanks for staff not locking this thread. Keep it active but keep it civil.




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Oh and if your going to argue over something lets make it about how great Scrappers are over all others. Yes that would work nicely.



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