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Park Warden

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Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

Okay, I've noticed, even in my own guild, ( we are losing at least 2 good players to WoW), that more players of GW (all three chapters) are leaving to go to WoW. Either because America hardly ever holds favor, so farming UW and FoW is out for most people, and contray to what most ppl think, this game is played by a LOT of adults, that have to go to sleep before 1am for jobs. So stayin on till midnight is out of the question through the week.
Or due to all the nerfs that Anet is constantly doing to proven builds, lack of good drops either gold, dyes or rare gems. (ecto, shards, rubies, ect).
I am just wondering if Anet has taken into consideration, that the programming of rare drops so infrequent is seriously hurting the game? Yes there are still a lot of people that play, but more and more are going to WoW. A big thing for most people that I know, is the amount of dmg one lvl 24 monster can do to a lvl 20, even a decked out tank. We can not get anywhere close to that amount of dmg yet Anet has put tons of monsters that can to us. I don't mind the challange, but the rareity of drops, which is why people go farming, or do UW/FoW for armor is why they play it.
I hate seeing more and more people leaving GW to go PAY to play WoW. I've tried it out for a few hours on my b/f's free trial run, and I found it boring as hell, but I will give WoW credit for having more things to do with your characters then in GW.
If Anet wants to keep the hardcore addicts of GW to keep buying, playing and bringing in their friends to GW, they seriously need to start listening to the people that play it, or they will lose more people then they expect to other games, whether they are free, or pay to play online.
The whole point of making an online game, is to make money from it, yet with the constant nerfs, and crappy drops, and hard as hell gems to find, Anet is pushing other people away. People buy games usually by word of mouth, and the more negitive feedback, the less games they will sell off the shelf.

12/13/06 08:57

Hammerite Rozsda

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

So they are leaving GW because drops are rare, and go to WoW?
Alright, did they ever think about how rare good drops are in WoW? Oh and I'm sorry, if they are adults who can't play that much why are they going to play WoW, a game that needs constant grinding?
Seriously...
Oh and WoW is more challenging than GW...WITH the same or less chance of getting a good drop.
You see its 1/8 chance, or 1/40...in hard areas.

12/13/06 09:04

The Lizard 17

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

Totally true. In fact, me myself downloaded the WoW trial and I'm thinking right now of changing, hopefully, yesterday WoW servers were down for maintaince and i opened up GW.. And I thinked, "I can't change to WoW..! I have too much tasks opened here, besides.. GW its more cool!"

And HERE is my best GW video so far...

12/13/06 09:06

AnvilChorus

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

We get people from WoW who come over and play GW too, it works both ways. GW doesnt have the Star Power that WoW has so its natural that we will lose players to it.

I dont lose too much sleep over it. Every time GW comes out with a new game, or theres a price drop, we get brand new players....its not like there is a fixed stock of players to draw from.

People come and people go. Some people dont want to play the same game year after year. They may get replaced at a slower rate, but I dont think that Anet is going out of business anytime soon.

But to Echo the last poster, if people are leaving GW to go to WoW because they think its easier to get loot, they are in for a suprise, especially those who dont play 8 hours a day, since they have to grind for weeks before they even get to the point where they can start to get rare stuff.

If you are losing your guild to WoW, go find another guild of people who are dedicated to GW. They are out there.

Hi.

12/13/06 09:10

Feanaro Anwarun

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

completely second the above post..

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12/13/06 09:12

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

wow i find it iroic that on the same day i try to DL the trail for WoW sum1 starts a thread bout GW players going over to WoW :P
Anyway, all i wanna say is that another possible reason why people are going, is cuz they are bored of GW, it's possible, i'm not saying i am (i just wanted to see what WoW was all bout) but other ppl that properly go over to WoW might just be plain bored of GW, even with new chapters.

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12/13/06 09:16

Sephar

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

There are some good points that you make out however it appears that you are trying to attack the "ANerf" system for hurting the community which is wrong imo.

Admittedly i would say that most veterans players (all 3 campaigns or 2000+ hours played - this is my justification of a vet and is not set in stone) who are leaving is because they are upset / kittened off that what has changed does not suit them anymore and as such are not enjoying it. In a sense this is not ANet ruining the game but moreso players unwilling to adapt. Yes you could say "why should i have to adapt?" but in the end thats not our call.

I mean how many times can you farm UW with just a monk and a necro, thats just plain boring imo. Yes if you have the time and the patience and have a set goal in your mind and you feel this is the way to do it thats fine, but when the core of this goal changes and you have to change the way you have to go about finishing this goal its all "change it back ANerfers i want this / i want that blah blah blah"

Fact is, adapt or dont, its your choice. Your opinions are noted and your pertitions read, but in the end what are you really gona do? Change game, thats the easy lame option imo or actually change your style of play to accomodate these new changes?

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12/13/06 09:18

Feanaro Anwarun

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

I went because i was bored with GW.. and because some RL mates played it and a few more reasons but anyway.. being bored with GW was a reason. :)

12/13/06 09:19

slye_boy

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

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I went because i was bored with GW.. and because some RL mates played it and a few more reasons but anyway.. being bored with GW was a reason. :)

you propper left GW fea? i thought u just left AMP not the game :O

12/13/06 09:23

dikke hamster

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

I would do like alot of stuff for WoW,
the only problem is that I am not allowed to pay such
high monthly fees (mam&dad).
I say it is just cooler because you have more races and
abilities and stuff.

Back to topic,
agreeing with Fea XD

12/13/06 09:23

Feanaro Anwarun

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

No slye.. My WoW adventures were quite a while ago :-) It was around the time I resigned from being staff at Guild Wars and it was one of the reasons I left the GW staff. :-) But im back.. atleast back playing GW. ;-)

12/13/06 09:28

Hammerite Rozsda

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

Yes lot of extra little things, but once it comes down to the bottom and you realize OMFG IF I DON'T PLAY 10 HOURS A DAY I REMAIN THE SUXXORS EVERYONE KILLS MEH then you will think differently.
The two games are different and it will never change.

12/13/06 09:30

slye_boy

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

and staff again ^_^, glad you saw the light fea :P

12/13/06 09:35

AnvilChorus

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

I've been playing nonstop for about a year, and sometimes I get bored. If I do, I just go try something different. the only time I've left GW was to go play Civ 4 for a week or so, and I went into withdrawl.

99% of my friends play WoW and swear by it. There's alot of temptation, so I understand why people try it when they get bored.

GW's a great game, even with the "adjustments" that Anet throws at us. I've never failed to adapt to their changes.

Hi.

12/13/06 09:37

Feanaro Anwarun

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

Well thats the tricky part <_< I only left the Guild Wars staff.. i stayed in the gameamp staff.. if you look at my name right here
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you can see that it says gameamp staff and not gameamp staff and general administrator or content editor or whatever.. hehe
I dont staff here at GW.. maybe some day ill re-apply but i doubt EG needs more help right now :) with the recent additions of Gen and Kanna and the return of OJ. :)

12/13/06 09:40

One Swordsman

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

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Rubbish IMO, you obviously havn't played it for a substantial amount of time. At some points during exam periods etc. I could play WoW for about 8-10 hours a week but still pwned face and enjoyed the game.

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12/13/06 09:41

great inferno

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

it happed to me to...

got all 3 campaigns and played more then 1900 hours in 15 months

im not going to play WoW and i am going to finish all 3 campaigns with all my 8 pve chars.

but i just hate the nerfs, i was doing much farming and pvp but since the farm nerf i can't even buy as much skills anymore ( and im not going to buy it with factions because i want to use the skills in pve to ) and so there goes my 15k armor and skills.

their won't be a fourth chapter for my characters...

$0.02

12/13/06 09:45

Feanaro Anwarun

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

Skill nerfs happen in WoW too.. Tho much less then in GW. (hint to Anet.. Cut it down a bit >_>)

12/13/06 09:47

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

my friend bought WoW. So i tried the demo and didnt like it. i find the only real improvement is jumping, and instead of goin around cliffs goin around. my friend has recently stopped playing and went back to GW. WoW looks ok but i find the game to be i dont know i just dont like it lol. If i didnt ay monthly id buy it just to meet friends. One thing that annoyed me is that creatures can run on a 90 degree angle.

12/13/06 09:51

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

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Admittedly i would say that most veterans players (all 3 campaigns or 2000+ hours played

yay! im a veteran :)

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Your opinions are noted and your pertitions read, but in the end what are you really gona do?

That petition that i created a couple days back, i sent it in to A-Net and they still have not contacted me back :(

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12/13/06 09:53

Hammerite Rozsda

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

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Friend, you are obviously in favor of WoW and I am in favor of GW. Our arguments could go round and round for no reason. As I said the two games are different.
The thing you must acknowledge though is the fact that MUCH more players grind their life to misery in WoW just to get an item. It is not GW that was mentioned as a serious threat to real life but WoW. It is not over GW items that people kill each other in real life but WoW items. And these are not made up by me, they are on the news.
You might experience it differently, that is perfectly acceptable. But we are not talking about specific cases here but the overall picture.
If people want to play WoW, go ahead, your right. But saying that they go to WoW because in GW it is hard to get drops...ah please =D

12/13/06 10:18

Tribina

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

People will stay people ;-)

And from time to time they will make mistakes,
like starting to ply WoW instead of GW ^^
but there is nothing you nort arenanet can do to prevent that..

Arenanet is one of the most interactive companies,
interacting all the time with the players online..
mixing among us, finding out what is needed, wanted..
and actually bringing suggested things ingame..
The holliday events and other events are just awesome..

This is how arenanet gained a lot of respect in my eyes ;-)

12/13/06 10:22

Park Warden

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

Sephar, one Im not personally attacking Anet, I'm repeating what other guildmates or friends online have talked about. Personally I'd love to see more rare drops happen, but actually dont B***** about it. When Anet changes skills, it means the creative ppl in this game come back out and think of new builds, or you have to rethink team builds or how you play period and there's still that challange.
And as for "vet" players 2000hrs+, I have over a year playing, over 3000hrs, and some points I'm proud of that, and others I'm not lol. Anyways I get annoyed at some changes, but thats why I have different chars, check out different builds and play around. When everyone complained about the MM nerf, I still play my MM, 10 minions and all in tombs and anywhere else it's needed.
You're right, we get players that either try GW out after playing WoW, or players that come back to GW. I wish we could farm more often in UW/FoW, but it's also hard as hell to join a group in HA if you aren't Rank 3+. I'm still at R2 cause of that, but I dont worry about it.
As for joining another guild, kinda hard when I'm Co leader, and I have put my own farming cash into a new hall, cape, ect. So, before I get told..yes we are trying to get new members.
No game is perfect, no game will keep peoples interests, and that's fine. I'm actually not a huge gamer, but I do love GW (all three chapters). My daughter who is 8 years old is playing and loves it. I have a life, I live it even outside the GW relem believe it or not. It's just crappy when you get a group of people that you get to know well, play a lot with each other and know each others fighting skills, and they go away.
To me WoW is boring, and I wouldn't pay to play it, but I've also heard that its a cool game. My b/f thinks it is, and thats allowed lol. Everyone has their own opinion. For the most part I actually LIKE how Anet runs things, and how they keep the game going, and the economy, specially if you want FoW armor, or even Vabbian armor, the challange is..to actually get the contracts, the cash or the drops to get the materials to get your armor.
When Anet comes out with a 4th chapter, I'll be getting the CE, and I'll annoy the hell out of my B/f by NOT getting him it and he can stick to wasting his money on pixels every month. lol

12/13/06 11:18

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

I also went over to WoW for a while, but i'm back and going strong now!

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12/13/06 11:21

One Swordsman

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

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Err alot of Game companies do that.

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12/13/06 11:27

Feanaro Anwarun

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

Have to agree that a lot of companies do that :)
Including Blizzard.. and arguable Blizzard may be the best in it. :)

But I love Anet, thats for sure.

12/13/06 11:33

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

My guild is an over thirty guild, which became so large we broke it into 2 (VAS & VASb). We have lost more than a few great players to WoW. In fact I have contimplated it on many occations. The only think I think which keeps me with GW is the people in the guild which I still play with (less so with the invention of heros), my time invested in my characters and even though I could afford WoW the money which I have already invested in two accounts of GW all three chapters on each account.

Michael

12/13/06 11:34

Julia Heartilly

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

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Either because America hardly ever holds favor, so farming UW and FoW is out for most people

Lol, I wonder if you've ever played on European servers, it's not like everyone plays on American servers.
It's not like you can run around on Euro servers seeing only people that you know everywhere, as if you're living in a village.
You make it sound like European servers are - in numbers - far inferior to American.

Think of it this way, how could UW and FoW possibly be out for "most people", the words "most people" are very, very big words when used in reference to a 3 million player community.
If there would be significantly more players on American servers compared to European they'd probably also have favor more, not even to mention the fact of the difference in timezone yet which makes it even more likely, unless you play at night.

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Or due to all the nerfs that Anet is constantly doing to proven builds, lack of good drops either gold, dyes or rare gems. (ecto, shards, rubies, ect).
I am just wondering if Anet has taken into consideration, that the programming of rare drops so infrequent is seriously hurting the game? Yes there are still a lot of people that play, but more and more are going to WoW. A big thing for most people that I know, is the amount of dmg one lvl 24 monster can do to a lvl 20, even a decked out tank. We can not get anywhere close to that amount of dmg yet Anet has put tons of monsters that can to us. I don't mind the challange, but the rareity of drops, which is why people go farming, or do UW/FoW for armor is why they play it.

Wow... just wow...

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The whole point of making an online game, is to make money from it, yet with the constant nerfs, and crappy drops, and hard as hell gems to find, Anet is pushing other people away.

Especially this last quote, it's really concerning.

Everything seems to be about going out with your great farming build all the time and just grinding and grinding all day long to collects as many gold and rare drops as you can for you.
And you're all fine with it as long as nothing changes so that you can continue to do this the way you always have.

Apart from that, you like to errr.... euhm.... *silence*.

Honestly, if this is really your whole motivation for playing Guild Wars, you're doing something thoroughly wrong.

I'd advise you to go revise your perspective on playing games, because from what I understand is bothering you lately the vast majority of the problem comes from you, not ANet - you're making it unpleasant for yourself if what you describe here is all there is for you.

12/13/06 11:58

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

I'm not quitting GW for WoW. I'm playing both at the same time (Switch back and forth every hour or so)! That's what i love 'bout me new puter. run WoW, GW and WMP at the same time with no lag and both games on max settings with 60 FPS...oh wait I'm bragging *sacked by Microsoft*

Anyway, both games have their strong and weak points. If people are bored of GW and can't wait for Chapter 4, let them go. They can always come back since it's free online play.

*EDIT*Just read that 2000+hour=Vet thingy...so what's 3500+?

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12/13/06 12:07

Park Warden

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RE: Losing valuable experienced players of GW to WoW

Julia,

I don't play GW for the drops, that's part of the gameplay of course, but I play it because I've met some friends online, and I enjoy making the chars, and the storyline. I am also not defending GW or attacking Anet, or WoW, I am as I said before in another post I am REPEATING what others have told me. Plain and simple.] I don't worry if I get a gold, or purple, or blue an a drop period for that matter. I just enjoy playing the game.
And as for the "shelf" comment to a big extent it is true, businesses dont make games for the joy of it, they do it to sell to people, and most times, games are sold by word of mouth, a friend tells someone a certain game is cool and a lot of fun to play..so that friend goes and tries it out. It's marketing, and NCSoft and Anet are in this for more then one reason, but they are in it to make money.
I've heard lots of comments about WoW, mostly bad, so I didn't even want to bother trying it, nevermind you have to pay to play it online too boot.
I have over 3000 hrs in this game, 2 accounts, 1 has all three chapters, the other has the first 2.
I made this orginal post, NOT to insult anyone, or say one game is better then the other, it was just a post to see what people thought of going from GW to WoW, or back again. Not to get told by someone that I apparently can't adapt, or I'm playing sololy for drops.[/b]

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12/13/06 15:17

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